Ellen White's Sabbath in Eden is Not Biblical

mmksparbud · Nov 5, 2018

Dale said:
Verses are quoted that mention the Angel of the Lord. There is no reason to believe that the Archangel Michael is the Angel of the Lord. I believe that Ellen White assumes this, but we have no reason to believe it.

Verses are quoted where Michael is a Prince and verses are quoted where Jesus or the Messiah is a Prince. This does not show us that Jesus is Michael. "Prince" is a rank and can mean different things. For Isaiah to say that the coming Messiah is the Prince of Peace is something very different from saying that Michael is a commander of military angels in the heavens. You need to look at these verses far more carefully.

Maybe so should you! You don't have to believe it, it is not a salvation issue. it certainly in no way diminishes Jesus and it all makes sense. Put them all together---here a little, there a little----I dp not make my doctrines according to whst EGW says--I look at the scriptures and see for myself. If she agrees, fine and dandy. This has nothing to do with EGW. It is what the bible says.

mmksparbud · Nov 5, 2018

EJ M said:
Please, no.
In light of Heb 1, to claim Michael is Jesus makes no sense at all.
I believe Michael will announce the second coming of Christ, and maybe blow the trump also.
Michael has never been called the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of peace and never will be. (Isa :6)
Please forgo men's theology for the pure Word of God. You will never be sorry, especially on the day when Christ returns.
Ponder this, if I'm wrong, what are the consequences?
If you are wrong what could be the consequences?

This is the plain word of God without any external readings. And from what I can see---if both of us are wrong---don't see it as a salvation issue. What do you see? When you put all the verses together, it makes sense.

mmksparbud · Nov 5, 2018

Dale said:
Let's take a closer look at Hebrews Chapter One, which EJ M mentioned.

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whomalso he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?

Or again,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?

6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

7 In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”

8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

Hebrews 1: 1-9 NIV

These are powerful verses, this is a powerful passage.

Michael is not an angel---he is The archangel. The head, the chief, the leader, they are His angels. He created them. He is above the angels and became less than them when He came human. But even asd human, He is still fully divine and still their Creator and leader. They are His messengers.

ewq1938 · Nov 5, 2018

mmksparbud said:
Michael is not an angel

Yes he is an angel. And, no, he is not Jesus Christ.

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2018

ewq1938 said:
Yes he is an angel. And, no, he is not Jesus Christ.

Michael is Jesus Christ---Chief of all the angels, Creator of all the angels. It is just the plainly written word of God.

ewq1938 · Nov 6, 2018

mmksparbud said:
Michael is Jesus Christ---Chief of all the angels, Creator of all the angels. It is just the plainly written word of God.

None of that is written nor is any of it true. Michael did not create anything at all. Michael is not God, not God the son, not the Messiah, never was born human nor died nor resurrected.

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2018

ewq1938 said:
None of that is written nor is any of it true. Michael did not create anything at all. Michael is not God, not God the son, not the Messiah, never was born human nor died nor resurrected.

You are free to have your opinion----and so am I. At this point the only thing left is---yes He is--No He isn't, yes He is, No He isn't...………..We can both retire to our separate corners.

Dale · Nov 6, 2018

mmksparbud said:
Jesus never was an angel, we do not teach that Jesus was ever a created angel!---And we are not the only protestants to believe this.

Michael--From the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mikha'el) meaning "who is like God?". This is a rhetorical question, implying no person is like God. Michael is one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition and the only one identified as an archangel in the Bible.

The word "angel" means messenger. Michael means --chief of the messengers who is like God.

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Rev_12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

No angel can make anything Holy--the angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses was Jesus--God. None other can make anything Holy. His angels--angels do not belong to other angels. Jesus is the Prince of the Angels, the Chief of Angels, the commander in Chief of the angles for He is the Chief of all of god's messengers and the greatest of the messengers from God. He came to bring us the Good News.

Dan_10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Dan_10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Dan_12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

Dan_8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan_9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Act_5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Archangel
Archangel [N]
( 1 Thessalonians 4:16 ; Jude 1:9 ), the prince of the angels.

Chief angel.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. ( 1 Thessalonians 1:1 Job 4:16 )
Word forms: plural archangels
countable noun
In the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions, an archangel is an angel of the highest rank.
COBUILD Advanced English Dictionary.
archangel in British
(ˈɑːkˌeɪndʒəl )
noun
1.
a principal angel, a member of the order ranking immediately above the angels in medieval angelology
Word Origin and History for archangel
n.
late 12c., from Old French archangel (12c.) or directly from Late Latin archangelus , from Greek arkhangelos "chief angel," from arkh- "chief, first" (see archon) + angelos (see angel). Replaced Old English heah encgel .

You are saying that Jesus was never an angel, which is fine.

That still leaves us with a question about the Trinity. It is my understanding that Ellen White expressed non-Trinitarian or anti-Trinitarian views for much of her ministry. Many of the people she is associated with in her religious work held anti-Trinitarian views, including her husband, Elder White. I have read that the Seventh Day Adventist Church once issued a statement disavowing her non-Trinitarian views. Is this true? Maybe you could shed some light on this.

What I can verify is that I can't find the word "Trinity" in any of Ellen White's works that I have available. Conflict of the Ages, which I have been quoting, is a five volume work. It is actually six volumes if you count the Introduction, which has 47 chapters. The word Trinity does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies for the Church, Volume 5
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery and Divorce
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Life Sketches of Ellen White, her autobiography.
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Am I missing something? If so, what?

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2018

Dale said:
You are saying that Jesus was never an angel, which is fine.

That still leaves us with a question about the Trinity. It is my understanding that Ellen White expressed non-Trinitarian or anti-Trinitarian views for much of her ministry. Many of the people she is associated with in her religious work held anti-Trinitarian views, including her husband, Elder White. I have read that the Seventh Day Adventist Church once issued a statement disavowing her non-Trinitarian views. Is this true? Maybe you could shed some light on this.

What I can verify is that I can't find the word "Trinity" in any of Ellen White's works that I have available. Conflict of the Ages, which I have been quoting, is a five volume work. It is actually six volumes if you count the Introduction, which has 47 chapters. The word Trinity does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies for the Church, Volume 5
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Ellen White's Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery and Divorce
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Life Sketches of Ellen White, her autobiography.
The word "Trinity" does not appear.

Am I missing something? If so, what?

No---at the very beginning, there may have been such a thought left over from her previous denominations believes, and some of the very first ones may have had that understanding also at the very start. After they had got together and studied the bible--they remained Trinitarians.

The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit—arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.—Manuscript 130, 1901. {Ev 616.4}

Personality of the Holy Spirit—We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.—Manuscript 66, 1899 (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.). {Ev 616.5}
The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.... {Ev 616.6}
The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”—Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}
The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, 10:37. (1897). {Ev 617.2}

We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,—and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.—Special Testimonies, Series B, 7:51. (1905). {Ev 617.3}

there are many passages where she may not use the word Trinity, but she speak of the 3.

ewq1938 · Nov 6, 2018

“Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” (Ellen White, The Youth’s Instructor, July 7, 1898)

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2018

ewq1938 said:
“Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” (Ellen White, The Youth’s Instructor, July 7, 1898)

That needs to be viewed in it's entirety.

"It is not men whom we are to exalt and worship; it is God, the only true and living God, to whom our worship and reverence are due. According to the teaching of the Scriptures, it dishonors God to address ministers as “reverend.” No mortal has any right to attach this to his own name, or to the name of any other human being. It belongs only to God, to distinguish Him from every other being.... “Holy and reverend is his name.” We dishonor God when we use this word where it does not belong.... The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.58 {SD 58.5"

She is not excluding the Holy Spirit from the Trinity here. This was a discussion on the use of exalted titles applied to men.

ewq1938 · Nov 6, 2018

“The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed.” (James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star)

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2018

ewq1938 said:
“The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed.” (James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star)

You are trying desperately hard to paint us as not Trinitarian! It's been proved to you that it is not our doctrine. We are Trinitarian and so was EGW---James White--at first was not---We did not become a church until 1866. Before that, the leaders, coming out of many different denominations had not established the doctrines yet. They weren't even 7th day keepers yet.

ewq1938 · Nov 7, 2018

mmksparbud said:
You are trying desperately hard to paint us as not Trinitarian!

More like I googled the issue and found some quotes I thought should be addressed in this thread.

Does EW ever say Jesus is God? From what I have read she doesn't. She always says God for the Father but never for the son...as far as I have read.

mmksparbud · Nov 7, 2018

ewq1938 said:
More like I googled the issue and found some quotes I thought should be addressed in this thread.

Does EW ever say Jesus is God? From what I have read she doesn't. She always says God for the Father but never for the son...as far as I have read.

LOL! I have never really researched it. I just know that she believed in the Trinity. She believed He was fully Divine and fully human. Those who believe in the Trinity, believe Jesus is God. Though I do believe that there is no one--and I mean no one---who can say for sure exactly how the Trinity works. It is one God, but it is the Holy Spirit and God the Father and God the Son. I personally have a tendency to call Jesus God, and God Jesus sometimes as it's hard to differentiate between them.

EJ M · Nov 8, 2018

Dale said:
Ellen White's approach can be maddening. She adds details to the Scripture with no indication of how or when she reached these conclusions. In the end, you either believe she is a prophet, or prophetess, or you don't. I've seen many reasons to believe that she is not.

In the following passage she quotes the Bible and simply adds [Christ] after Michael. Not very persuasive, is it? It's like a one word argument. In the same paragraph, she says that Gabriel was the angel that guided John in the Book of Revelation. Revelation doesn't say this, but EW assumes it.

<< The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your Prince.” Dan. 10:21. Of Gabriel the Saviour speaks in the Revelation, saying that “He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.” Rev. 1:1. And to John the angel declared, “I am a fellow servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets.” Rev. 22:9, R. V. Wonderful thought--that the angel who stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men. >>

Ellen White, Conflict of the Ages: The Five Books, Book III: the Desire of Ages
Chapter 10: The Voice in the Wilderness

Kindle Location 20960-66

Ellen White's "ministry" came out of the Millerite great disappointment of 1844,
it seems like Miller's false prophesy of Christ's return (which he publicly repented of)
spawned a few offshoots that were addicted to the energy and lo, the SDA church was born.
Russel, the founder of the JW "church" was also influenced by this movement.
It seems after the reformation, and the subsequent divisions, it seemed fashionable to start new sects.
Ellen White was sued for plagiarism and likely copied most of her writings from other authors.
Any truth loving SDA should pray, and take the time to research her prophesies and count the false ones. If she was a true prophetess, it seems none of us today could be saved based on her shut door prophesy.
It appears, rather than accept Miller's false prophesy, a group of former Millerites spun the failed prediction into an "investigative judgement" advent and it continues to this day.
If only we would stay with the scripture!!
So many sects and cults.
Truly the harlot spawned many daughters! (Rev 17-18)

mmksparbud · Nov 8, 2018

EJ M said:
Ellen White's "ministry" came out of the Millerite great disappointment of 1844,
it seems like Miller's false prophesy of Christ's return (which he publicly repented of)
spawned a few offshoots that were addicted to the energy and lo, the SDA church was born.
Russel, the founder of the JW "church" was also influenced by this movement.
It seems after the reformation, and the subsequent divisions, it seemed fashionable to start new sects.
Ellen White was sued for plagiarism and likely copied most of her writings from other authors.
Any truth loving SDA should pray, and take the time to research her prophesies and count the false ones. If she was a true prophetess, it seems none of us today could be saved based on her shut door prophesy.
It appears, rather than accept Miller's false prophesy, a group of former Millerites spun the failed prediction into an "investigative judgement" advent and it continues to this day.
If only we would stay with the scripture!!
So many sects and cults.
Truly the harlot spawned many daughters! (Rev 17-18)

EGW was exonerated from plagiarism. The investigative judgement is biblical. Jesus Christ is our High Priest.
Read Hebrews. When Jesus returns and the saved are resurrected---the judgement has already taken place--He comes for the saved only. That means the decision was already made. Jesus was in the Most Holy Place as our High Priest and as the names of the dead come up He applies His blood to their sins--then He gets to the ones that are living, when the last one comes up before Him, that will be the end of determining who is lost and who is saved.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
When Jesus is done, He comes for us--and He brings ALL the angels with Him. That is why there is silence in heaven---no one is there! At the prophetic day for a year--it comes out to 7 days---round trip!

Dale · Nov 8, 2018

mmksparbud said:
EGW was exonerated from plagiarism. The investigative judgement is biblical. Jesus Christ is our High Priest.
Read Hebrews. When Jesus returns and the saved are resurrected---the judgement has already taken place--He comes for the saved only. That means the decision was already made. Jesus was in the Most Holy Place as our High Priest and as the names of the dead come up He applies His blood to their sins--then He gets to the ones that are living, when the last one comes up before Him, that will be the end of determining who is lost and who is saved.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
When Jesus is done, He comes for us--and He brings ALL the angels with Him. That is why there is silence in heaven---no one is there! At the prophetic day for a year--it comes out to 7 days---round trip!

Mmksparbud: "Jesus Christ is our High Priest.
Read Hebrews. When Jesus returns and the saved are resurrected---the judgement has already taken place--He comes for the saved only. That means the decision was already made. Jesus was in the Most Holy Place as our High Priest and as the names of the dead come up He applies His blood to their sins--then He gets to the ones that are living, when the last one comes up before Him, that will be the end of determining who is lost and who is saved."

Ellen White never seems to refer to Jesus as the Judge, yet the New Testament says that Jesus is the Judge at the Final Judgment a number of times.

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives lifeto whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
--John 5: 19-27 NIV

42 [Peter says,] He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
Acts 10: 42 NIV

31 [Paul says,]For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Acts 17: 31 NIV

16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,as my gospel declares.
Romans 2: 16 NIV

4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
--1 Corinthians 4: 4 NIV

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge ...
2 Timothy 4:1 NIV

8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
2 Timothy 4:8 NIV

mmksparbud · Nov 8, 2018

Dale said:
Mmksparbud: "Jesus Christ is our High Priest.
Read Hebrews. When Jesus returns and the saved are resurrected---the judgement has already taken place--He comes for the saved only. That means the decision was already made. Jesus was in the Most Holy Place as our High Priest and as the names of the dead come up He applies His blood to their sins--then He gets to the ones that are living, when the last one comes up before Him, that will be the end of determining who is lost and who is saved."

Ellen White never seems to refer to Jesus as the Judge, yet the New Testament says that Jesus is the Judge at the Final Judgment a number of times.

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives lifeto whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
--John 5: 19-27 NIV

42 [Peter says,] He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
Acts 10: 42 NIV

31 [Paul says,]For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Acts 17: 31 NIV

16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,as my gospel declares.
Romans 2: 16 NIV

4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
--1 Corinthians 4: 4 NIV

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge ...
2 Timothy 4:1 NIV

8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
2 Timothy 4:8 NIV

That is what she says He is doing in the Most Holy place as our High Priest.

Dale · Nov 9, 2018

mmksparbud said:
No---at the very beginning, there may have been such a thought left over from her previous denominations believes, and some of the very first ones may have had that understanding also at the very start. After they had got together and studied the bible--they remained Trinitarians.

The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit—arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.—Manuscript 130, 1901. {Ev 616.4}

Personality of the Holy Spirit—We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.—Manuscript 66, 1899 (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.). {Ev 616.5}
The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.... {Ev 616.6}
The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”—Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}
The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, 10:37. (1897). {Ev 617.2}

We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,—and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.—Special Testimonies, Series B, 7:51. (1905). {Ev 617.3}

there are many passages where she may not use the word Trinity, but she speak of the 3.

You're saying that she talks about "the Three" instead of using the word Trinity.

I have checked every use of the word "three" in Conflict of the Ages. There is no passage where "three"
could possibly refer to the Trinity. There are three days, three miles, three churches, etc., but no theological "three."

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