God’s Kingdom Is Impending as America Is Ending: Dan 2:44, Jer 30:11

Richard Ruhling · Nov 5, 2018

parousia70 said:
Why omit the text with the ... ?
(That was rhetorical, I think I know why)

Here it is in full:
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Paul testifies that the "ends of the ages" had come upon him and his 1st-century contemporaries.
I can understand, however, why you would need to excise that part.

Dear Brother in Christ,
I don't think you should be quick to judge my motive when you don't know. I wasn't trying to hide anything, but I'm a slow typer and I thought my wording much shorter.

You should understand that not just Paul but Peter also on the day of Pentecost thought they were in the end-times (Acts 2:16,17) and same verses for 1Thess 4 (16,17) where Paul says "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up"

It wasn't until 2Thess that he understood there would be a falling away first, that the man of sin (the papacy) would be revealed as Daniel shows the little horn growing out of the 4th beast, Rome.

Clearly "the ends of the ages" didn't come on them but they are impending now! I hope you can see it.

parousia70 · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Dear Brother in Christ,
I don't think you should be quick to judge my motive when you don't know. I wasn't trying to hide anything, but I'm a slow typer and I thought my wording much shorter.

Fair enough, I'll consider your further explaination...

You should understand that not just Paul but Peter also on the day of Pentecost thought they were in the end-times (Acts 2:16,17) and same verses for 1Thess 4 (16,17) where Paul says "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up"

So your contention is that Peter and Paul taught a falsehood to their flocks? That they not only were in error but they, in turn, taught that error to their flocks under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

Really?

It wasn't until 2Thess that he understood there would be a falling away first, that the man of sin (the papacy) would be revealed as Daniel shows the little horn growing out of the 4th beast, Rome.

Ok, I'll set aside your personal addition to scripture something that does not exist in the text for a minute, and look at the scripture alone... You are a "scripture alone" kinda guy right, so that should be ok with you I imagine...

The Book of Jude documents the "falling away" as a then present event, and Paul testifies The man of sin was alive at the time Paul writes (2 Thess 2:7), and the Thessalonians knew what was restraining his takeover of the Temple at that time (2 Thess 2:6). This is an event of the apostolic era. The destruction of the Jerusalem temple of which Paul is speaking was the imminent prophetic subject of their day (Matt 23:33-38; 24:1-3,34), and so all eyes were trained upon that prophetic event--the imminent demise of that holy place (Matt 24:15-16). Indeed, 2 Thess 2:4-7 took place within about 10-15 years after Paul told the Thessalonians to look for it. The Zealots' overtaking of the temple to set up their Messianic Kingdom took place at about AD 66, and this marked the beginning of the Jewish Civil War and Great Revolt against Rome which ended in Jerusalem's utter desolation, and end of the Mosiac Covenant Age, as prophesied.

Clearly "the ends of the ages" didn't come on them but they are impending now! I hope you can see it.

Clearly, the end of the Mosaic Old Covenant age was upon them and came to it's fiery end as it's elements burned with fervent heat soon after Jesus and the apostles all foretold it would. The age of the Everlasting Gospel is just that. Everlasting.
The Everlasting Gospel Age emerged victorious.
I hope you can see it!

Acts2:38 · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
You used two texts, Heb 8:10 and Heb 10:16--BOTH say He WILL (future) make a covenant AFTER THOSE DAYS. After what days?

Greetings again,

I think with Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16, you are really grasping hard. Not to be rude or anything of the sort, but reading comprehension will allow you to make use of what is being taught in this book.
I really don't know if you are trying to grasp so hard to the doctrine you hold you just refuse to obey the rules of grammar/reading comprehension, and your willing to toss that all out of the window for the sake of holding on to that doctrine, I just don't know.
Again, I don't say this out of malice, spite, or anything of the sort. So if you would please reread Hebrews 8 - 10 and see the context, the grammar/sentence structure, and meaning of the words used, it would behoove you to do so.

To respond to the two verses you mentioned:

Hebrews 8:10 - Your claim is that this means ALL of Hebrew 8 speaks of events not yet transpired.

What you failed to see, was verse 7, see now the context:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

Verse 7 implies that the second (new covenant) has already been established. How do I know? Because of Christs death on the cross, His burial, and His resurrection. This already happened.
Verse 8-10 is merely speaking of something God had said before, like telling a story that people have already heard before (Hebrews is written to Jews who should already know what God said before).

If that wasn't enough to prove that it was already done, start at the beginning of Hebrews 8. The context is plain and clear, this is already done.

In any case, your claim is found false due to the lack of understanding the context of the matter.

Now for Hebrews 10,

Again, like chapter 8, you have failed to understand context/grammar.

First, turn your attention to Hebrews 10:1-10 (especially pay attention to verse 4-5 and 9-10). Did not Christ die on the cross? or does He have to die on the cross again for you to believe this happened already?

Second, you failed to read verse 15 before you cherry picked verse 16.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

Then you forgot to read the verses AFTER 16
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

So did Christ die on the cross already? or are you still waiting for that moment to happen?

This is the reason I mentioned grammar and reading comprehension. Not to be mean or spiteful.

Also, why are you avoiding my claims that I delivered to you? I copied and pasted them here.

I have seen your claims, read the scripture, and everyone can see your premise.

Here is mine:
#1 - Everything that refers to the kingdom BEFORE Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the FUTURE TENSE
Everything that refers to the kingdom AFTER Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the PAST/PRESENT TENSE

I know you would agree of the future tense kingdom, so I do not need to prove a future tense example, only a past/present tense AFTER Acts 2.
Example of AFTER Acts 2:
A) Colossians 1:12-13
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

B) Revelation 1:9
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

#2 Jesus Himself said, Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

So, unless there are 2,000 year old people walking the earth right now, then this already happened.

When did that "power" come? Acts 2. See Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now look at Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

#3 Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah's curse.
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

So saying that Christ will come and rule a physical earthly kingdom, is calling God a liar.

#4 Jesus promised Peter Matthew 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Since Peter has long been dead now, did Jesus lie to Peter, or did Peter fulfill what Jesus promised to Peter? (See Acts 2, who is preaching? Peter?)

#5 Earthly physical kingdom, or spiritual kingdom? John 18:38
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus made it clear, NO PHYSICAL kingdom. Besides, it can't be physical anyway because of Jeremiah 22:30's curse.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Dave Watchman said:
I think you're a smart guy Richard, a genius. I'm not. I've lost track of half of what i've been thinking about.

Don't post it, if you can remember it, but can you remember the note about how when the events finally begin, that they would all go down very fast. Something about trumpet after trumpet would blow in quick succession. It lines up with what Jesus was saying about lightning flashing from the east and to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

That's what i think it is. I think we are already in the prophetic time period, but the event markers have not been widely recognized. The falling away, the man of sin, the temple of God and the holy place. It's like an end times of the Matrix, not everything is like it seems, but the "darkened" sun is the ultimate defining measurable. An infallible litmus test that can't be moved to measure the multiple witnesses.

I'm, sure that i can hear the composite beast open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. Saying unheard of things against the God of gods. That means that the dragon is here too giving it his power and his throne and his great authority. We're just now waiting for the man of sin to be revealed when the fire falls from heaven in the presence of men. So i think we are already halfway through Revelation 13 while the virgins are taking a snooze.

And while i risk making myself a mini Millerite, the latest thing i noticed is that from the third moon of the tetrad, until a day in the last week of November, is 1335 days. And then from that day in the last week in November, until the "darkened" sun, is 40 days. The Lord could roll this whole place up like a scroll over the period of 40 days.

Take care.

"Behold I come quickly.

Dear Dave Watchman,
Thank you for your post and kind comments.
If there is any one thing I'd like to share at this point, it's the conviction that the end-time "day of the Lord" will begin with a huge earthquake as seen in Joel 2:10,11.

It's the "day of the Lord" brings sudden destruction when they say 'Peace & safety' (1Thess 5:2,3 and the UN theme last year included those words.

The earthquake is clearly seen Rev 8:5,6 to initiates the trumpets, but it's ALSO seen encoded as a lion's roar in Rev 10:3 because Christ is the Lion of Judah and "the Lord will roar...the earth shall shake, Joel 3:16.

Careful reading of Rev 6:1 shows the lion's roar (earthquake) is the thunder that John heard--it was the 1st creature which Rev 4:7 shows as a lion.

So the 7 seals, trumpets & thunders will be initiated by an earthquake as Amos 3:7,8 says--"The lion has roared--who will not fear?" It conveys the message of Rev 14:7, to fear God, the time of His judgment is come!

I think the earthquake will include the San Andreas Fault and Hollywood and liberal sin areas and I look for it "as the days of Noah" in the 2nd spring month after Jerusalem suffers Zech 14:1,2 as a heads up. Note it's "day of the Lord"

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
Greetings again,

I think with Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16, you are really grasping hard. Not to be rude or anything of the sort, but reading comprehension will allow you to make use of what is being taught in this book.
I really don't know if you are trying to grasp so hard to the doctrine you hold you just refuse to obey the rules of grammar/reading comprehension, and your willing to toss that all out of the window for the sake of holding on to that doctrine, I just don't know.
Again, I don't say this out of malice, spite, or anything of the sort. So if you would please reread Hebrews 8 - 10 and see the context, the grammar/sentence structure, and meaning of the words used, it would behoove you to do so.

To respond to the two verses you mentioned:

Hebrews 8:10 - Your claim is that this means ALL of Hebrew 8 speaks of events not yet transpired.

What you failed to see, was verse 7, see now the context:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

Verse 7 implies that the second (new covenant) has already been established. How do I know? Because of Christs death on the cross, His burial, and His resurrection. This already happened.
Verse 8-10 is merely speaking of something God had said before, like telling a story that people have already heard before (Hebrews is written to Jews who should already know what God said before).

If that wasn't enough to prove that it was already done, start at the beginning of Hebrews 8. The context is plain and clear, this is already done.

In any case, your claim is found false due to the lack of understanding the context of the matter.

Now for Hebrews 10,

Again, like chapter 8, you have failed to understand context/grammar.

First, turn your attention to Hebrews 10:1-10 (especially pay attention to verse 4-5 and 9-10). Did not Christ die on the cross? or does He have to die on the cross again for you to believe this happened already?

Second, you failed to read verse 15 before you cherry picked verse 16.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

Then you forgot to read the verses AFTER 16
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

So did Christ die on the cross already? or are you still waiting for that moment to happen?

This is the reason I mentioned grammar and reading comprehension. Not to be mean or spiteful.

Also, why are you avoiding my claims that I delivered to you? I copied and pasted them here.

I have seen your claims, read the scripture, and everyone can see your premise.

Here is mine:
#1 - Everything that refers to the kingdom BEFORE Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the FUTURE TENSE
Everything that refers to the kingdom AFTER Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the PAST/PRESENT TENSE

I know you would agree of the future tense kingdom, so I do not need to prove a future tense example, only a past/present tense AFTER Acts 2.
Example of AFTER Acts 2:
A) Colossians 1:12-13
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

B) Revelation 1:9
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

#2 Jesus Himself said, Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

So, unless there are 2,000 year old people walking the earth right now, then this already happened.

When did that "power" come? Acts 2. See Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now look at Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

#3 Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah's curse.
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

So saying that Christ will come and rule a physical earthly kingdom, is calling God a liar.

#4 Jesus promised Peter Matthew 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Since Peter has long been dead now, did Jesus lie to Peter, or did Peter fulfill what Jesus promised to Peter? (See Acts 2, who is preaching? Peter?)

#5 Earthly physical kingdom, or spiritual kingdom? John 18:38
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus made it clear, NO PHYSICAL kingdom. Besides, it can't be physical anyway because of Jeremiah 22:30's curse.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Dear Acts 2:

I'm pained at how much effort you make to convince me the kingdom is now when I do not deny that--after saying "blessed are the poor in spirit, the meek, etc, He said, "the kingdom is within you," Luke 17:21.

But that is NOT the kingdom the disciples wanted in Acts 1:6 and Christ didn't say it will never be--He just said it wasn't for them to know--He could have said it will be just 10 days from now at Pentecost if that were so, but He didn't, and He didn't want to discourage them that it would be "the times & seasons" of Acts 1:7 are ALSO found in 1Thess 5:1-3.

Your double quote of Heb 8:10 and 10:16 says, "this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days..." AFTER those days is a reference to the context of the New Covenant Promise in Jer 31, which is "LATTER Day" as you can see from Jer 31:1 and previous verse.

BTW: Have you noticed the overlooked context of the New Covenant Promise in Ezek 36:24-28--since we haven't satisfied the context, we don't have the experience yet when God will give power to His two witnesses for 1260 days, to shut the heavens & turn water to blood, Rev 11:3-6

jgr · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
But that is NOT the kingdom the disciples wanted in Acts 1:6 and Christ didn't say it will never be--He just said it wasn't for them to know--He could have said it will be just 10 days from now at Pentecost if that were so, but He didn't, and He didn't want to discourage them that it would be "the times & seasons" of Acts 1:7 are ALSO found in 1Thess 5:1-3.

Hi Richard,

The times and seasons are associated with the day of the Lord, which is the end of all things temporal.

Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

1 Thessalonians 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Where do you see any reference to a restored Israelite kingdom?

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

jgr said:
Hi Richard,

The times and seasons are associated with the day of the Lord, which is the end of all things temporal.

Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

1 Thessalonians 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Where do you see any reference to a restored Israelite kingdom?

The disciples asked in Acts 1:6, Will you restore the kingdom to Israel at this time. Christ said it wasn't for them to know the "times & seasons," a phrase that is linked to kingdoms in Dan 2:21 and Paul links the "times & seasons" to the end-time day of the Lord which is NOT the end of all things temporal (I don't think you can find a text for that) and Paul's reference to sudden destruction is probably the earthquake that initiates the day of the Lord seen in Joel 2:10,11. Note the rest of the chapter does not convey the idea of temporal things ending...

jgr · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
The disciples asked in Acts 1:6, Will you restore the kingdom to Israel at this time. Christ said it wasn't for them to know the "times & seasons," a phrase that is linked to kingdoms in Dan 2:21 and Paul links the "times & seasons" to the end-time day of the Lord which is NOT the end of all things temporal (I don't think you can find a text for that) and Paul's reference to sudden destruction is probably the earthquake that initiates the day of the Lord seen in Joel 2:10,11. Note the rest of the chapter does not convey the idea of temporal things ending...

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How is that not the end of all things temporal?

Acts2:38 · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
I'm pained at how much effort you make to convince me the kingdom is now when I do not deny that--after saying "blessed are the poor in spirit, the meek, etc, He said, "the kingdom is within you," Luke 17:21.

Well, that is why I asked a question before that I never received an answer to. I asked if you were talking about two kingdoms of Christ (referring to physical and spiritual). Then I believe I asked to prove in scripture where you see two separate kingdoms spoken of in scripture that refer to the physical (in the future yet to come) and spiritual (which we are both in agreement apparently).

Since I assume you accept the spiritual kingdom as here already, we are basically speaking of a physical right? Explain please.

In assumption and anticipation that you will say "physical", you would have to respond to these questions I have for you (disregard if you do not believe physical and explain the idea you did have)

#1 Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah's curse.
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

Wouldn't saying that Christ will come and rule a physical earthly kingdom, is calling God a liar?

#2 Earthly physical kingdom, or spiritual kingdom? John 18:38
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus made it clear, NO PHYSICAL kingdom. Besides, it can't be physical anyway because of Jeremiah 22:30's curse.

#3 Thinking about the first 2 questions, if Jesus is ruling from the throne now, why would He come down and rule from another throne?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

#4 With all the scripture that states, "like a thief in the night" and that even Jesus doesn't know the time of coming (matt 24:36 example), what makes you think the kingdom is coming soon? How can you know, but Christ does not?

What I see, is there will be no warnings, signs, or announcements. Thieves do not give you any warnings, signs, or announcements. By the time we know anything, it would be too late for those not in Christ, and the event would happen in the blink of an eye.

BTW = Ezekiel is speaking of the captivity that God will eventually lead them out of.
A run down on Ezekiel 36:
First, the historical circumstances have to do with the fact that the kingdom of Judah was languishing in Babylonian captivity. News had finally reached the captives that Jerusalem had fallen (see 33:21). The date commonly given for the city’s fall, after a horrible siege of just over two and one-half years, is July 18, 586 B.C. (as dated by scholars)

When Ezekiel learned of Jerusalem’s destruction, he was given a series of prophecies relative to the future of his people. These oracles involved the nation’s ultimate restoration to their homeland, but then, more importantly, a vision of the Messianic age when their most glorious hope would be realized (Chapters 33-48).

Chapter 36 has several points of emphasis. The narrative begins by figuratively addressing the “mountains of Israel” (v. 1), which, in recent years had been occupied by the nation’s enemies, principally the Edomites (see 35:1-15). In a manner of speaking, the land was to rejoice because “my people Israel” will “soon come home” (v. 8). The sins of the people (idol worship and human sacrifice), that had “defiled” the land and precipitated the captivity, are rehearsed (16-20). Deliverance from this judgment, however, would eventually come (21-38).

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

jgr said:
2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How is that not the end of all things temporal?

Hi and that's a good question.
The clue is in the context. In verse 8 where a day is like 1000 years, so the 7th millennium will begin with sudden destruction (earthquake as in Joel 2:10,11) which comes at the beginning of the last 7 years, with Christ's coming post-tribulation in Rev 19:11 and the fire you mention is in verse 20.

Because of 7 "when-then" signs in 2015, I believe they were like the Roman General Cestius coming 3 1/2 years before Titus and I think next spring (3 1/2 years) will bring Zech 14:1,2 (destruction of Jerusalem) as a sign for US a month later "as the days of Noah" when the Flood came with Passover timing, but in the 2nd spring month. Between now and then we will see increasing signs of judgment, maybe even chaos this week (?)

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
Well, that is why I asked a question before that I never received an answer to. I asked if you were talking about two kingdoms of Christ (referring to physical and spiritual). Then I believe I asked to prove in scripture where you see two separate kingdoms spoken of in scripture that refer to the physical (in the future yet to come) and spiritual (which we are both in agreement apparently).

Since I assume you accept the spiritual kingdom as here already, we are basically speaking of a physical right? Explain please.

In assumption and anticipation that you will say "physical", you would have to respond to these questions I have for you (disregard if you do not believe physical and explain the idea you did have)

#1 Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah's curse.
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

Wouldn't saying that Christ will come and rule a physical earthly kingdom, is calling God a liar?

#2 Earthly physical kingdom, or spiritual kingdom? John 18:38
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus made it clear, NO PHYSICAL kingdom. Besides, it can't be physical anyway because of Jeremiah 22:30's curse.

#3 Thinking about the first 2 questions, if Jesus is ruling from the throne now, why would He come down and rule from another throne?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

#4 With all the scripture that states, "like a thief in the night" and that even Jesus doesn't know the time of coming (matt 24:36 example), what makes you think the kingdom is coming soon? How can you know, but Christ does not?

What I see, is there will be no warnings, signs, or announcements. Thieves do not give you any warnings, signs, or announcements. By the time we know anything, it would be too late for those not in Christ, and the event would happen in the blink of an eye.

BTW = Ezekiel is speaking of the captivity that God will eventually lead them out of.
A run down on Ezekiel 36:
First, the historical circumstances have to do with the fact that the kingdom of Judah was languishing in Babylonian captivity. News had finally reached the captives that Jerusalem had fallen (see 33:21). The date commonly given for the city’s fall, after a horrible siege of just over two and one-half years, is July 18, 586 B.C. (as dated by scholars)

When Ezekiel learned of Jerusalem’s destruction, he was given a series of prophecies relative to the future of his people. These oracles involved the nation’s ultimate restoration to their homeland, but then, more importantly, a vision of the Messianic age when their most glorious hope would be realized (Chapters 33-48).

Chapter 36 has several points of emphasis. The narrative begins by figuratively addressing the “mountains of Israel” (v. 1), which, in recent years had been occupied by the nation’s enemies, principally the Edomites (see 35:1-15). In a manner of speaking, the land was to rejoice because “my people Israel” will “soon come home” (v. 8). The sins of the people (idol worship and human sacrifice), that had “defiled” the land and precipitated the captivity, are rehearsed (16-20). Deliverance from this judgment, however, would eventually come (21-38).

I'm sorry, I see the distinction you made now of physical v spiritual kingdom which I would apply to Acts 1:6 (physical kingdom to come in the "times & seasons" that Christ said, which Paul links to the "day of the Lord" in 1Thess 5:1-3.
Kingdom means dominion of a king, and if we surrender our lives to Christ, His Spirit has dominion in us--that's the kingdom within you, Luke 17:21

When Christ said, My kingdom IS not of this world, He was speaking present tense. When the disciples asked about it in Acts 1:6, we should expect Him to correct them if it wouldn't be till He comes back, but "times & seasons" is also a link to Daniel 2 and "in the days of these kings [not after 7 vials when no king is standing] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, and it will break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms..." verse 44. I want to be part of it and I'm sure you would like to as well.
Note that the stone does not come from the sky-- it is cut out of a mountain, and the only other usage of mountain in Daniel is Jerusalem and it represents His people. In other words, in different imagery, it's like the wise or foolish virgins. The wise get into the marriage and make a covenant by which they become His kingdom & Bride as in Exod 19:5,6 & Jer 3:14.

I see Ezek 36:24-28 as a condensed version of Jer 31 which has "latter day" context, verse 1.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 6, 2018

jgr said:
Hi Richard,

The times and seasons are associated with the day of the Lord, which is the end of all things temporal.
Acts 1 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

1 Thessalonians 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Where do you see any reference to a restored Israelite kingdom?

Great verses........let's take a look at 'em in relation to Revelation and see if we can figure out anything.....

Galatians 4:
3 Thus also when we were babes under the elements/stoiceia <4747> of the World were in servitude<1402> ,
9 But now after you have known God! or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
25 The yet Hagar, Mount Sinai is in the Arabia, is together-elemental/su-stoicei <4960> (5719) yet to the now Jerusalem being in servitude with the offspring of Her.

2 Peter 3:12
Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the day of God, thru which heavens being fired shall be being dissolved
and elements/stoiceia <4747> burning being melted.

Revelation 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[fn] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Wouldn't the cargo/merchandise that the Harlot/Jerusalem used to buy be considered "elements?

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

Revelation 18:8
8 Thru this in One Day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and mourning and famine, and in fire She shall be being burned,
that strong Lord the God the one judging Her.
11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over her, because no one is not still buying their merchandise/cargo
12 merchandise/cargoes of
gold, and of silver, and of precious stone, and of pearl,
and of fine linen, and of purple, and of silk, and of scarlet, and every citron wood, and every ivory vessel, and every precious vessel out of wood,
and of brass, and of iron, and of marble,

Zephaniah 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold
Shall be able to deliver them
In the day of the LORD's wrath;
But the whole land shall be devoured
By the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make speedy riddance
Of all those who dwell in the land.

Metal - Wikipedia
Around 95 of the 118 elements in the periodic table are metals (or are likely to be such). The number is inexact as the boundaries between metals, nonmetals, and metalloids fluctuate slightly due to a lack of universally accepted definitions of the categories involved.

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Acts2:38 · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
I'm sorry, I see the distinction you made now of physical v spiritual kingdom which I would apply to Acts 1:6 (physical kingdom to come in the "times & seasons" that Christ said, which Paul links to the "day of the Lord" in 1Thess 5:1-3.
Kingdom means dominion of a king, and if we surrender our lives to Christ, His Spirit has dominion in us--that's the kingdom within you, Luke 17:21

When Christ said, My kingdom IS not of this world, He was speaking present tense. When the disciples asked about it in Acts 1:6, we should expect Him to correct them if it wouldn't be till He comes back, but "times & seasons" is also a link to Daniel 2 and "in the days of these kings [not after 7 vials when no king is standing] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, and it will break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms..." verse 44. I want to be part of it and I'm sure you would like to as well.
Note that the stone does not come from the sky-- it is cut out of a mountain, and the only other usage of mountain in Daniel is Jerusalem and it represents His people. In other words, in different imagery, it's like the wise or foolish virgins. The wise get into the marriage and make a covenant by which they become His kingdom & Bride as in Exod 19:5,6 & Jer 3:14.

I see Ezek 36:24-28 as a condensed version of Jer 31 which has "latter day" context, verse 1.

Okay, thank you for clarifying, and continued patience with me.

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

I will set aside for now Acts 1, but know that I still disagree that it talks about a physical kingdom since it blatantly has much supporting scripture that refers the event to Acts 2:1-4.

I would agree that Jeremiah and Ezekiel are basically parallel prophecies. The difference between the two is Jeremiah was preaching to those still in Judah, and Ezekiel was ministering to those in captivity. However, the fact still remains that it was directed to the future of THOSE people then in Ezekiel 36, and not us.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Great verses........let's take a look at 'em in relation to Revelation and see if we can figure out anything.....

Galatians 4:
3 Thus also when we were babes under the elements/stoiceia <4747> of the World were in servitude<1402> ,
9 But now after you have known God! or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
25 The yet Hagar, Mount Sinai is in the Arabia, is together-elemental/su-stoicei <4960> (5719) yet to the now Jerusalem being in servitude with the offspring of Her.

2 Peter 3:12
Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the day God, thru which heavens being fired shall be being dissolved
and elements/stoiceia <4747> burning being melted.

Revelation 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[fn] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Wouldn't the cargo/merchandise that the Harlot/Jerusalem used to buy be considered "elements?

Revelation 18:8
8 Thru this in One Day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and mourning and famine, and in fire She shall be being burned,
that strong Lord the God the one judging Her.
11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over her, because no one is not still buying their merchandise/cargo
12 merchandise/cargoes of
gold, and of silver, and of precious stone, and of pearl,
and of fine linen, and of purple, and of silk, and of scarlet, and every citron wood, and every ivory vessel, and every precious vessel out of wood,
and of brass, and of iron, and of marble,

Zephaniah 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold
Shall be able to deliver them
In the day of the LORD's wrath;
But the whole land shall be devoured
By the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make speedy riddance
Of all those who dwell in the land.

Metal - Wikipedia
Around 95 of the 118 elements in the periodic table are metals (or are likely to be such). The number is inexact as the boundaries between metals, nonmetals, and metalloids fluctuate slightly due to a lack of universally accepted definitions of the categories involved.

.

Little Lamb: I don't like the translation you use.
I like the KJV for Gal 4:26 which says Jerusalem which is above is the Mother of us all.
In Rom 1:20 Paul says we can understand the Godhead from the things that are made, and Gen 1:26,27 shows we are made in Their image and likeness, male & female. This also explains why Christ is the only begotten Son, and the Mother's name is Jerusalem--a city cannot be a mother.
We are familiar with the Catholic Trinity that is all male, but they are the mother of abominations and they have a problem with homosexuality, maybe in part because of their false concept of God.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
Okay, thank you for clarifying, and continued patience with me.

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

I will set aside for now Acts 1, but know that I still disagree that it talks about a physical kingdom since it blatantly has much supporting scripture that refers the event to Acts 2:1-4.

I would agree that Jeremiah and Ezekiel are basically parallel prophecies. The difference between the two is Jeremiah was preaching to those still in Judah, and Ezekiel was ministering to those in captivity. However, the fact still remains that it was directed to the future of THOSE people then in Ezekiel 36, and not us.

The parallel between Ezek 36:24-28 and Jer 31 seems clear and for one to have the "latter day" context supports Ezek 36 as also, and sure enough, if you read the next chapter, Ezek 37:7 is about the shaking when dry bones come together. The shaking is the earthquake that initiates end-times and two sticks in Ezek 37:16,17 come together to make one kingdom in verse 22. The 2 sticks represent Judah--Jews who accept Messiah, and Israel--Christians who accept torach (statutes & judgments restored by Elijah, Mal 4:4,5. All of this before Gog and Magon in Ezek 38.

jgr · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Hi and that's a good question.
The clue is in the context. In verse 8 where a day is like 1000 years, so the 7th millennium will begin with sudden destruction (earthquake as in Joel 2:10,11) which comes at the beginning of the last 7 years, with Christ's coming post-tribulation in Rev 19:11 and the fire you mention is in verse 20.

Because of 7 "when-then" signs in 2015, I believe they were like the Roman General Cestius coming 3 1/2 years before Titus and I think next spring (3 1/2 years) will bring Zech 14:1,2 (destruction of Jerusalem) as a sign for US a month later "as the days of Noah" when the Flood came with Passover timing, but in the 2nd spring month. Between now and then we will see increasing signs of judgment, maybe even chaos this week (?)

As a nondispen, that's far more conjecture than I can muster, but OK.

However, does it change anything regarding what and when the day of the Lord is, or the absence of a restored Israelitish kingdom?

Not that I personally can see.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

jgr said:
As a nondispen, that's far more conjecture than I can muster, but OK.

However, does it change anything regarding what and when the day of the Lord is, or the absence of a restored Israelitish kingdom?

Not that I personally can see.

GREAT Question!
The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24,25 pointing to Messiah span 10 jubilees because the 50th year was also the 1st year of the next week of years, Lev 25. The decree went into effect in the spring of 456 BC when Israelites left Persia to get their land back and to rebuild Jerusalem.

The 10 jubilees (490 years came to 35 AD, which fits 1995 as the 50th jubilee when Pope John Paul went to the UN on the Day of Atonement (the day to proclaim jubilee, Lev 25:9.

This synchronizes with 1799 as a jubilee year when a pope died in exile in Napoleon’s time.

It also fits 1848 as a jubilee year when a small group heard the Sabbath & published a paper.

20 years after 1995, Pope Francis also went to the UN, also on a Day of Atonement in 2015.

Why 20 years? 2Peter 3:8 says, Be not ignorant; 1000 years are like a day... If we integrate the jubilees into 1000 years, 490 (10 jubilees) + 490 = 980 years with 20 years at the end!

2015 also had “when-then” signs: “The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before [paniym-facing] the day of the Lord” Joel 2:31. 2015 events are facing the end-times!

“The day of the Lord comes…when they say ‘peace and safety…sudden destruction, 1Thess5. The Iran Nuclear Treaty was peace & safety, The UN theme for 2017 also included those words.

Long story short, I believe we are seeing judgment begin with bad times for the US that will ocntinue till next spring when Zech 14:1,2 will signal a parallel calamity on the US with the earthquake tha initiatetes "the day of the Lord." Joel 2:10,11, 1Thess 5:2,3.

parousia70 · Nov 6, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Long story short, I believe we are seeing judgment begin with bad times for the US that will ocntinue till next spring when Zech 14:1,2 will signal a parallel calamity on the US with the earthquake tha initiatetes "the day of the Lord." Joel 2:10,11, 1Thess 5:2,3.

I'm Marking this post in my personal bookmarks with an alarm to ping me to revisit it on June 22nd, 2019 (The first day of Summer)

Richard Ruhling · Nov 6, 2018

Dave Watchman said:
I think you're a smart guy Richard, a genius. I'm not. I've lost track of half of what i've been thinking about.

Don't post it, if you can remember it, but can you remember the note about how when the events finally begin, that they would all go down very fast. Something about trumpet after trumpet would blow in quick succession. It lines up with what Jesus was saying about lightning flashing from the east and to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

That's what i think it is. I think we are already in the prophetic time period, but the event markers have not been widely recognized. The falling away, the man of sin, the temple of God and the holy place. It's like an end times of the Matrix, not everything is like it seems, but the "darkened" sun is the ultimate defining measurable. An infallible litmus test that can't be moved to measure the multiple witnesses.

I'm, sure that i can hear the composite beast open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. Saying unheard of things against the God of gods. That means that the dragon is here too giving it his power and his throne and his great authority. We're just now waiting for the man of sin to be revealed when the fire falls from heaven in the presence of men. So i think we are already halfway through Revelation 13 while the virgins are taking a snooze.

And while i risk making myself a mini Millerite, the latest thing i noticed is that from the third moon of the tetrad, until a day in the last week of November, is 1335 days. And then from that day in the last week in November, until the "darkened" sun, is 40 days. The Lord could roll this whole place up like a scroll over the period of 40 days.

Take care.

"Behold I come quickly.

Followers of Wm Miller gave two messages, proclaiming a time of judgment & Bridegroom’s coming. Christ (Angel in Rev 10) said, You must prophesy again. I believe those messages will fit the time of judgment on the US, but the Bridegroom’s coming isn’t a rapture. God executed judgment on Egypt & took Israel to a covenant, saying “I am married to you,” Jer 3:14. Paul included the Exodus in 1Cor 10:1,11 examples for us…
If we see judgment fall on Jerusalem as the 1st sign of end-times in Zech 14:1,2 (Passover is the time of judgment as in Egypt, Christ's death & when Titus came in 70 AD) then we should give those messages ["prophesy again"] for the US which may get judgment a month later "as the days of Noah" or llike a man traveling to a far country--compare Matt 25:13,14 with Numbers 9:10,11.
Christ's closing parables support 2nd Passover. After "as the days of Noah" the next parable begins with "THEN [same time] shall two be in the field... etc.
Same idea with the evil servant. "THEN shall it be like 10 virgins, but that's 2nd Passover because of how the above paragraph ends--see those texts!

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