Link between flu vaccine and miscarraiges

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Not wanting to make anyone fearful; but to be forewarned is to be forearmed. I found this rather disturbing and suggest extreme caution if you are pregnant and want to get the flu shot.

 

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Then you shouldn't link to the quack Mercola.
LOL!! He is a bit out there, to be sure.

But it was his email that alerted me to this. And it is also why I did a search for the articles he referenced from more legit sources.
 
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Yeah I have no intention of getting vaccinated while pregnant. I got the pertussis vaccine when I was pregnant and I wish I hadn't. I wasn't as well researched as I am now.
 
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Good for you!! Yes, there's much better sources than Mercola, but definitely keep researching vaccines. Wish I didn't vaccinate my first and I'm sorry that I contributed to acellular viruses to society by vaccinating. Vaccines are harming our health as a whole and when you look at the rise in vaccines to autoimmune diseases, it's shocking. My unvaccinated child is healthier. The truth about vaccines docu-series is great, Suzanne Humphreys on YouTube, and so is Dr. Paul Thomas's work.
 
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Good for you!! Yes, there's much better sources than Mercola, but definitely keep researching vaccines. Wish I didn't vaccinate my first and I'm sorry that I contributed to acellular viruses to society by vaccinating. Vaccines are harming our health as a whole and when you look at the rise in vaccines to autoimmune diseases, it's shocking. My unvaccinated child is healthier. The truth about vaccines docu-series is great, Suzanne Humphreys on YouTube, and so is Dr. Paul Thomas's work.
That's exactly it! Everyone seems to think that vaccine skeptics are one-size-fits-all types that are only afraid of autism but it isn't that at all with me. I actually avoid autism debates regarding vaccines (side note: I actually do think that they cause them) because it turns both sides off to listening to one another. Autoimmune is so much scarier to me. What good is vaccinating to building immunity if it results in an immune system that attacks the body?
Initially, I just googled "reasons to vaccinate" and "reasons not to vaccinate" and decided to hold off on immunizing my daughter because not only were the reasons not to vaccinate a much bigger list, but the reasons TO vaccinate all cited the same single source and gave the same reason verbatim. It eventually evolved into so much more for me. I even did a ten-page research paper in college on it (with sources from actual academic journals) and I still haven't stopped researching.
With this child, I don't intend to vaccinate either. My fiancé disagrees with me but understands that this is more important to me than it is to him so he's willing to stand by my decision. I'm hoping that this one will also nurse as long and my daughter as that did wonders for her immune system.
 
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That's exactly it! Everyone seems to think that vaccine skeptics are one-size-fits-all types that are only afraid of autism but it isn't that at all with me. I actually avoid autism debates regarding vaccines (side note: I actually do think that they cause them) because it turns both sides off to listening to one another. Autoimmune is so much scarier to me. What good is vaccinating to building immunity if it results in an immune system that attacks the body?
Initially, I just googled "reasons to vaccinate" and "reasons not to vaccinate" and decided to hold off on immunizing my daughter because not only were the reasons not to vaccinate a much bigger list, but the reasons TO vaccinate all cited the same single source and gave the same reason verbatim. It eventually evolved into so much more for me. I even did a ten-page research paper in college on it (with sources from actual academic journals) and I still haven't stopped researching.
With this child, I don't intend to vaccinate either. My fiancé disagrees with me but understands that this is more important to me than it is to him so he's willing to stand by my decision. I'm hoping that this one will also nurse as long and my daughter as that did wonders for her immune system.
Amazing! And I agree. I don't believe that all these parents saying the MMR caused their child's autism are crazy. They know their child better than anyone else.

My daughter seems to be ok, praise the LORD, but I'm done playing Russian roulette. I'm glad people are researching more and it seems like more and more people are choosing not to blindly believe "higher ups" just because they have more money and power.
 
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Not wanting to make anyone fearful; but to be forewarned is to be forearmed. I found this rather disturbing and suggest extreme caution if you are pregnant and want to get the flu shot.

  • In 2009, reports of miscarriage following receipt of the pandemic H1N1 swine flu vaccine (pH1N1) started emerging. Now, a study has found that women who had received a pH1N1-containing flu vaccine two years in a row were more likely to suffer miscarriage within the following 28 days
  • Most miscarriages occurred during the first trimester, but several also took place in the second trimester. Median fetal term at the time of miscarriage was seven weeks
  • In all, pregnant women receiving concurrent pH1N1-containing flu vaccines had a nearly eightfold higher risk of miscarriage
There was a Catholic institution some time ago that detected an abortion agent in one of the vaccines being provided to pregnant women in an African village. It was an accident, apparently, but the Catholics weren't impressed.

Then there are the Muslim groups who've attached vaccinators (who probably had the best of intentions) for allegedly causing miscarriages and deaths in their women and villages.

Then old Bill Gates' speech from years ago, how he boasted vaccines were going to reduce world population by 10% or so.

If people still haven't got that vaccines are a population control method (by evil means), they're a bit slow in my humble opinion. But nice to get reminded from time to time, with posts like this. :)
 
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Amazing! And I agree. I don't believe that all these parents saying the MMR caused their child's autism are crazy. They know their child better than anyone else.

My daughter seems to be ok, praise the LORD, but I'm done playing Russian roulette. I'm glad people are researching more and it seems like more and more people are choosing not to blindly believe "higher ups" just because they have more money and power.
It does help that doctors are adopting the "I went to medical school so your research is invalid" attitude that we see on Jimmy Kimmel these days.
I ended up firing my OB/GYN over that when she insisted I go on birth control after being diagnosed with PCOS. I was like, "So...I have higher levels of testosterone than most women and not enough progesterone, and your solution is to pump more hormones in my body?" I have a friend who had the same OB/GYN and she treated my friend with the same, "I'm the doctor so you need to listen to me" approach.
Thank God that the first doctor I found after that listened to me and decided to work on my fertility instead of birth control (which I'm highly against, even though I'm pro contraception. Long sidebar there). She hasn't pushed vaccines on me yet but I love that she listens to my research and if I'm uncomfortable with something, she's ok with it. Having a doctor like mine is incredibly rare and no matter how far I've moved I refused to switch doctors.
 
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My mom is a firm advocate of healthy and wholesome living. I grew up on a farm and only ate whole organic, farm-raised food. I discovered later that we eat a paleo-type diet. My mom also is fervently against vaccination. I have grown up learning so much about it. I have also learned how dangerous it is to discuss it on this forum. The provaxxers are like piranha wanting to devour you and their sole desire is to prove you wrong no holds bar. They hold so dearly to this misguided religion of good intentions. Vaccination is a good idea in theory but in practice, a complete disaster and our children have become the scapegoats.
It's so refreshing to read that some people have their eyes open and are not being bullied by the mainstream. Good for you!

(side note: I actually do think that they cause them)

I didn't use to believe it but the more I research it, the more I realise there is a definite link. All the experts are spouting Andrew Wakefield as some kind of monster when he didn't even claim they caused autism. The fun fact is the more they protest and knock down antivaxxers, the more other people perk up their ears and think its worth a look into what the deal is.

I don't believe that all these parents saying the MMR caused their child's autism are crazy.

They most definitely are not. Have you read JB Handley's book "How to end the Autism epidemic"? Very interesting read. The thing that strikes me the most is the people who are questioning vaccines are the ones who have been already affected by them...they have no political or financial agenda, unlike the pharmaceutical companies.

A really good show to watch and stay up with is Highwire with Del Bigtree.

The HighWire with Del Bigtree
 
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Good on researching yourself. Just please take this as a lesson on scoffing, or incredulity in general. Many people said this before 2008, and they were labelled and received in the usual discrediting fashion.

That would have been 10 years of progress in making it safer, or even a cure (if it were possible in capitalism). That is also only about flu vaccine; there are other "conspiracies" that are decade(s) ahead of their time. Not all, but enough. Right now, I can think of one polarizing conspiracy that may be declassified or researched with reputable associates within 10-20 years. Keep researching and discovering the truth.
 
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realise there is a definite link. All the experts are spouting Andrew Wakefield as some kind of monster when he didn't even claim they caused autism. The fun fact is the more they protest and knock down antivaxxers, the more other people perk up their ears and think its worth a look into what the deal is.
No! He was actually researching vaccines and gut health when he discovered the autism link.
I actually just heard on the radio a couple days ago, I think it was John Carlson (local guy), how some people from the CDC have even come forward to talk about how they purposefully discredited Dr. Wakefield's research and were even silenced by the government when they tried talking about it. I don't understand how people don't see what a conspiracy this is



The thing that strikes me the most is the people who are questioning vaccines are the ones who have been already affected by them...they have no political or financial agenda, unlike the pharmaceutical companies.
No kidding! I knew a guy, I actually set him up with his wife, and they have a boy with autism yet they jumped down my throat when they found out that I didn't vaccinate.
I also know a girl I homeschooled with who is an avid vaccine supporter (she even claims that GARDISIL is one of the safest vaccines on the market) and her kids get vaccinated for everything. There was one point where she was posting regular updates on her Facebook page about how her son had been in the ER multiple times after waking her and her husband up every night for over THREE WEEKS because he kept throwing up.
I can honestly count on one hand how many times my child has been sick, apart from a cold here and there. She even went two years without getting sick, not even a cold, and she's only five!
 
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Ironically, I am the only one who has provided information on a different side of the OP.

Besides exposed a baby to live virus when getting the flu which can cause birth defects. Heat from a fever and dehydration from throwing up and poor nutrition from a reduced appetite are all not a healthy environment to grow a baby. Pregnant people and old people often get hospitalized when they have the flu.
 
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Ironically, I am the only one who has provided information on a different side of the OP.

Besides exposed a baby to live virus when getting the flu which can cause birth defects. Heat from a fever and dehydration from throwing up and poor nutrition from a reduced appetite are all not a healthy environment to grow a baby. Pregnant people and old people often get hospitalized when they have the flu.
But does getting a flu vaccination significantly reduce one's chances of catching the flu, given the unlikelihood of catching it in the first place, the potentially serious consequences claimed about the vaccine, and the potential that one may even catch the flu from the vaccine?
 
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But does getting a flu vaccination significantly reduce one's chances of catching the flu, given the unlikelihood of catching it in the first place, the potentially serious consequences claimed about the vaccine, and the potential that one may even catch the flu from the vaccine?

Between 5 to 20% catch the flu each year. Subtract those that didn't get it because they were vaccinated....why do you say that it unlikely to catch it in the first place.

And you can NOT catch the flu from the vaccine. That is a myth. If someone gets the flu within a couple days of the vaccine, it means the were exposed before the vaccine and were in the innoculation period when they got the vaccine. They were already sick just the symptoms didn't show yet.

We are talking about pregnancy here. Most pregnant women do avoid things that can potentially harm their baby...even if there is only a slight risk.
 
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Between 5 to 20% catch the flu each year. Subtract those that didn't get it because they were vaccinated....why do you say that it unlikely to catch it in the first place.
I don't know that vaccination appreciably decreases the risk of catching the flu. There are a myriod of reasons as to why people still get the flu after being vaccinated against it, and for the marginally decreased risk of getting flu (if there even is a decreased risk at all), I wouldn't consider it worth the risks of autism, miscarriages, etc. associated with the vaccination itself.

Maybe for those sick people you refer to, who make up the 5 - 20% who seem to catch the flu every year, the risk would be more favourable for them (again, if the vaccine does decrease the risk of flu, which I've yet to be convinced of).
 
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I don't know that vaccination appreciably decreases the risk of catching the flu. There are a myriod of reasons as to why people still get the flu after being vaccinated against it, and for the marginally decreased risk of getting flu (if there even is a decreased risk at all), I wouldn't consider it worth the risks of autism, miscarriages, etc. associated with the vaccination itself.

Maybe for those sick people you refer to, who make up the 5 - 20% who seem to catch the flu every year, the risk would be more favourable for them (again, if the vaccine does decrease the risk of flu, which I've yet to be convinced of).

Show me the risk for getting autism, miscarriages, etc from the vaccine. Before you site miscarriage, you must also include the number of miscarriages that are not related to getting the flu vaccine since miscarriage risk is highest in the first trimester for a million different reasons. I think the risk of birth defects from getting the flu or any disease that causes high fevers is significant.
 
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