God’s Kingdom Is Impending as America Is Ending: Dan 2:44, Jer 30:11

Richard Ruhling said:

The Great News is being saved from widespread destruction as in the days of Noah.
The Great News is freedom from bondage as in Moses’ day when Egypt killed babies and the US has aborted 60 million. Egypt enslaved Israel and the US has enslaved most people in alcohol, tobacco, drugs, food, fashion, fiction, gambling, sex, perversion, TV and violence.

Preachers have failed as this once Christian nation has become like Egypt & God is going to judge the US. Those who understand the wedding parables can marry Christ by a covenant like Israel did if we are ready as they were on the eve of His judgment. If so, He will make us ruler over all that He has. But if we don’t understand or aren’t ready we will suffer tribulation.

The wedding parables ALL affirm what Paul said of the Exodus: “All those things happened to them for our examples…ends of the world.” 1Cor 10:1,11 included the Exodus.

1. The wedding parables each have a sudden event of a calamity nature.
· The “remnant” get their city burned, Matt 22:6,7. This wasn’t about 70 AD
· The midnight cry in Matt 25:6 is an echo of calamity in Egypt, Exod 12:29,30
· The ‘knock’ in Lk 12:36 is an earthquake because Laodicea where He knocked ended in an earthquake circa 63 AD. God promises to reveal everything, Amos 3:7, and the next verse is a lion’s roar--Christ is the Lion of Judah, see Joel 3:16. ALL the above are like judgment on Egypt; Israel feft to become God’s kingdom..

2. Readiness for sudden calamity determines destiny as Israel also became God’s bride.
· The man without a wedding garment is thrown into outer darkness, Matt 22:
· The foolish virgins hear “I know you not…depart”
· The servant who fails to prepare is beaten with stripes, Lk 12:47,48.

3. Since God won’t do anything without revealing it, the earthquake (above) initiates “the day of the Lord” (Joel 2:10,11; 1Thess 5:2,3 (‘travail on a woman with child’ = Egypt)
The “when” is also reveals as Egypt & the wedding parable all have Passover imagery.
· The ‘midnight cry’ in Matt 25:6 is an echo of Exod 12:29,30
· Loins girded in Lk 12:35 is also found in Exod 12:11; “Watch” is translated from gregoreo, meaning to be awake, as they were in Exod 12:10. See Matt 26:38-41.
· Luke 12:37 has a blessing for the servant who is watching; Passover imagery.
· Zeph 1:8, “in the day of the Lord’s sacrifice” [Passover] God will punish the King’s children

4. Christ’s closing parables have an important modification to Passover. Each time He said You don’t know (understand) when, He gave examples of the law in Numbers 9:10,11--

· “As the days of Noah” when the Flood came as a Passover event, but 2nd month.
· “THEN” (same time, 2nd Passover) shall two be in the field; one taken (to death, Lk 17:37) This is probably martial law, taken to a FEMA for “screening”
· The evil servant begins to smite his fellow servants. ‘THEN’ (same time) shall the kingdom be like 10 virgins. He ends with “Watch (clue for Passover, but you don’t understand because it’s like a man traveling to a far country.” Israel didn’t travel in winter, and if they took a long trip in spring and couldn’t get back for Passover, they were to keep it the 2nd month, Num 9:10,11. Christ is the Master who took a long journey; His return will fit His law that’s in effect till heaven and earth pass. This is NOT His coming in the sky, but as a thief, Rev 3:3, to execute judgment and to take those who are watching for Him to a covenant relationship (marriage) Thank you for considering this & look for your thoughts...

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God's Kingdom was established at His Son's first coming in the days of the fourth of the kings, that of the Roman Empire (Daniel 2:40). Its imminence was announced at the beginning of His ministry, and declared to be fulfilled in His gospel (Matthew 4:17; Luke 4:43; Mark 1:15). It is a spiritual kingdom resident within the believer (Luke 17:20,21), and not of this world (John 18:36). It was taken from those who had abrogated their covenant obligations, and was given to the holy nation of His Church (Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:9). This holy nation kingdom began with His disciples (Luke 12:32), from whence it was fulfilled in the Church, which was born in one day at Pentecost (Isaiah 66:8; Acts 2:41,47).

The Kingdom of the Church will never be destroyed, will overcome all other kingdoms, is built upon Christ the Rock, and will stand against hell itself. (Daniel 2:44; Matthew 16:18)

Richard Ruhling said:

The text you cite, Dan 2:44 suggests that the stone kingdom comes in the context of the feet of clay in the "toes of time" when "in the days of these kings, shall the God of heaven set up a kingdiom..."

This is NOT the kingdom Christ meant when He said, "the kingdom of God is within you," Luke 17:21.

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It is the same kingdom, which has both a present and a future aspect.

Some of us are in the kingdom now, but when Christ returns all those outside the kingdom will be burned, along with this rotten, sin-cursed world, based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the passage below.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
2Pe 3:6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

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Richard Ruhling said:

The text you cite, Dan 2:44 suggests that the stone kingdom comes in the context of the feet of clay in the "toes of time" when "in the days of these kings, shall the God of heaven set up a kingdiom..."

This is NOT the kingdom Christ meant when He said, "the kingdom of God is within you," Luke 17:21.

The kingdom that's impending is the external kingdom that the disciples wanted in Acts 1:6. Christ said it wasn't for them to know the "times and seasons," but Paul said, "Of the times and seasons, you know perfectly--the day of the Lord comes...when they shall say Peace & safety" (words in the UN theme, 2017).

With that understanding, please look again at the post which suggests a parallel event to the Exodus in the wedding parables. Israel became God's kingdom AND bride when they made a covenant, (Exod 19;5,6 and Jer 3:14.

Paul included the Exodus when He said, "All those things happened to them for our examples...ends of the world." 1Cor 10:1,11.

Thank you for asking a good question as what I posted needed clarification.

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Since you are basing everything on Dan 2:44, it is your lack of understanding and jumping to conclusions that is throwing you off. I don't say this in a rude manner, so I hope it can be looked at as a curious "why would he say that?" manner, as I will explain now....

Daniel has many dreams throughout the book of Daniel. The problem is people want to say they are different dreams of different events to occur (except when the dream obviously referred to Nebuchadnezzar,etc), but the fact of the matter is they all represent the same scenario. They are the same event explained differently each time, but still having the same things happening, the same conclusion drawn.

The dream Daniel interpreted in chapter 2 is the same event in chapter 7-12. Guess what? None of these can be mistaken to mean anything about our future since these events already happened.

How would I know this for certain? I will tell you.

Chapter 2 refers to the "kings of" those days, as in the days of the 4th Kingdom right?

This is how the scriptures tell me of the kingdoms...

The first mentioned is obviously Babylon. I don't think I have seen anyone mistake this yet.

The second is Medo-Persia, which spawned up and destroyed Babylon. It is in secular history also.

The third is Alexanders "Grecian" kingdom that did in fact conqueror far and wide obliterating the second kingdom.

The 4th kingdom is none other than the Roman kingdom.

In the days of the "Roman" kingdom, the "5th" is Christs kingdom. Christs kingdom was established and explained in Acts 2, in the days of the Roman kings, in the days Rome was the conqueror of the "known world".

Now turn your gaze to chapter 7 and 8. Read them. Same event as chapter 2. It explains again the kingdoms in chapter 7. Then again in chapter 8 minus the first kingdom.

It is also interesting to note in chapter 8, that when Alexander died, four of his generals carved out empires out of his, but they were not as powerful as Alexanders...
"21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power."

And everyone knows that the Grecian kingdom (Alexander's Macedonian empire) utterly destroyed the Media-persian kingdom, in which scripture also said would happen see Dan.8 again.

From here it gets even more interesting. If you read the latter chapters in Daniel, "king of the north and south" This refers to two of Alexanders splintered kingdoms from the four generals.

The king of the north is none other than the Seluecus generals empire, and the king of the south being the Ptolemy general's dynasty.

Now here is the part that I told you that I know for a fact this refers to the kings of Rome mentioned in chapter 2.
Dan 8...
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The Prince of princes is none other than Christ Jesus, who we all know died on the cross for us all.
See also Daniel 9:24-27

Know that they rebuilt Jerusalem after their bondage in babylon etc. so from the "going fourth to rebuild Jerusalem" the command went out. This already happened.

Now compare Daniel 9:24-27 with Matthew 24:1-34 (also reference Luke 21).

What happened to the temple, and all of Jerusalem, in 70 A.D? Just as predicted in Daniel 9.
The Messiah was also cut off wasn't He? On the cross He died for us? When did this happen?
Was Rome in power when the Messiah was "cut off"?

Apply all this back to Daniel chapter 2 "in the days of those kings".

Peter was promised that he was the one to begin Christs kingdom/church Matthew 16:18-19. Kingdom and church are used interchangeably in both those verses. They are one in the same.
Did you know, that in the Greek, when they mention "church" it actually means "the called out"? It is talking about the people. You need people to have a kingdom right? So Matthew 16:18-19 is correct in using the kingdom and church interchangeably.

Now, back to Peter. What did Peter do in Acts 2? What did Matt16:18-19 say again?

"...That thou art Peter, and upon this rock..."

That means upon his confession about Christ. Look again at Peter in Acts 2. Upon Peters confession, the kingdom began. The church was built.

You still may not be convinced yet about kingdom and church being the same so here is more proof.

Everything BEFORE Acts 2, has kingdom in the FUTURE TENSE.

Everything AFTER Acts 2, has kingdom in the PRESENT/PAST TENSE.

I know you would agree if I mentioned any of the 4 gospels, but now take a look at a couple of verses for me AFTER Acts 2

Colossians 1:13 - Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son

So, if the kingdom is not here yet, how are we translated into it then? It is because it IS already here.

"My kingdom is not of this world"

See also Revelation 1:9 - I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

John is stating that he is WITH PEOPLE in the kingdom ALREADY, PRESENTLY.

If the kingdom is not here yet, is John lying? No, John is right. The kingdom has been here since that day of Pentecost in Acts 2.

Richard Ruhling said:

But in the ONLY other place we find "times & seasons" Paul said we know them (context is His 2nd coming in the previous verses of 1Thess 4:16,17) and Paul says, "For the day of the Lord [end-time period] comes as a thief with sudden destruction when they are saying 'Peace & safety' [UN theme 2017 included those words.

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Peter describes below what happens on the day of the Lord, when He comes as a thief.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


He comes as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.

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Richard Ruhling said:

Please compare Matt 25:13,14 with Numbers 9:10,11 to see a clue for timing that 99.9% of Christians miss because they are not familiar with the law of which Christ said, "Till heaven & earth pass, not one jot or tille shall pass from the law till all be fulfilled." Matt 5.

He is the Master who took the long journey, Matt 25:14, and His return will conform to His law and it should convince honest Jews that He is the Master in that parable, coming on time for judgment on the US as well for our abominations.

In this sense, He will come as a thief to Christians who are not watching as He said in Rev 3:3.

His coming as a thief after Armageddon is a different event for a different group of people.

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If you are promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine, you need to look at the fulfillment of the word "till" in your statement above.

In Galatians 3 the Apostle Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
The law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Based on Hebrews 8:13 the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".

There is only one people of God in the verse below.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart.


The New Covenant: Bob George

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Richard Ruhling said:

Dear Acts 2:38,
I am NOT basing everything on Dan 2:44 and was delighted by your suggestion of Daniel's other prophecies which give greater detail.

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Oh, sorry, it was assumed as the "text"/premise of your post since it was the thread title along with Jeremiah. I do appreciate you entertaining me on the other visions Daniel had though. Thank you.

I have read your other points, and have rethought how to approach this idea of thinking. For example, your point #1 directed to me personally in the previous post is moot (of no significance), when compared to the explanation I already gave against the actual MAIN POINT, the deeper issue at hand.

The main deeper issue being, is the kingdom established already, or is it still coming?

When faced with the answer to that question, everything else will fall into its proper place.

*By the title of your OP, your claim is the kingdom is yet to come, and will come soon.

*My claim is, the kingdom has been here, and has been here, since the events in Acts 2 transpired.

I was happy to read your other points toward me, however, there are questions you have either missed, for whatever reason, that need answering.

I have seen your claims, read the scripture, and everyone can see your premise.

Here is mine:
#1 - Everything that refers to the kingdom BEFORE Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the FUTURE TENSE
Everything that refers to the kingdom AFTER Acts 2, refers to the kingdom in the PAST/PRESENT TENSE

I know you would agree of the future tense kingdom, so I do not need to prove a future tense example, only a past/present tense AFTER Acts 2.
Example of AFTER Acts 2:
A) Colossians 1:12-13
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

B) Revelation 1:9
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

#2 Jesus Himself said, Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

So, unless there are 2,000 year old people walking the earth right now, then this already happened.

When did that "power" come? Acts 2. See Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now look at Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

#3 Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah's curse.
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

So saying that Christ will come and rule a physical earthly kingdom, is calling God a liar.

#4 Jesus promised Peter Matthew 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Since Peter has long been dead now, did Jesus lie to Peter, or did Peter fulfill what Jesus promised to Peter? (See Acts 2, who is preaching? Peter?)

#5 Earthly physical kingdom, or spiritual kingdom? John 18:38
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus made it clear, NO PHYSICAL kingdom. Besides, it can't be physical anyway because of Jeremiah 22:30's curse.

There are more points to be made but....

Richard Ruhling said:

Please try as hard to see these points as you are trying to defend against them (your post was 1000+ words)

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I don't wish to lose attention span. Thank you for discussing with me this topic.

Richard Ruhling said:

You cited the New Covenant Promise in Jer 31:31-33 but you miss the 'latter day' context in verse 1.

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You are ignoring the word "now" in Hebrews 8:6.

The text from Jeremiah 31:31-34, is quoted word-for-word by the author of the Book of Hebrews in the passage below.
The NKJV uses Uppercase letters to show the parts quoted from the Old Testament.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


We also find the fulfillment of the New Covenant below, with the word "now", and once again a direct quote from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Below the New Covenant is specifically applied to the Church

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Richard Ruhling said:

Dear Brother,
When the disciples wanted the [external] kingdom restored, He did not deny or rebuke such an idea, but He said, It is not for you to know the 'times & seasons' that Paul links to the end-time day of the Lord in 1Thess 5:1-3.

If Christ had your viewpoint, He should have told them it they would know, it's just 10 days away!

The power they got was to speak in other languages so visitors to Jerusalem heard in their own tongue, and ability to work miracles like the lame man, but you can not point to any text that suggests the [external kingdom was then at Pentecost.

Paul links the "times & seasons" (which specfically refers to an external kingdom in Dan 2:21) to the end-time "day of the Lord" which Peter implies comes after 6,000 years (2Pet 3:8-10)

A further support for this view is Romans 7. Paul, the best Christian ever, said, "the good that I would, I do not, and that which I would not, I do." Paul did NOT have the New Covenant Promise fulfilled to him to have God's law written in his heart to want to do the right things. He had the law in his mind and he died daily to self (Rom 6, amen) but he struggled like you and I with our human nature.

The New Covenant Promise (and New Covenant by which we marry Christ in the wedding parables that are ALSO end-time as seen in the context of Matt 24, 25) was "latter day," in Jer 30:24 & 31:1.

To have God's law written in our hearts is something we MUST have if we would be ready to meet Christ in the sky, because only the pure in heart can see God" (and live) Matt 5.

People are so bold to think they will be raptured, but we aren't pure in heart and are more like Rev 3, wretched and miserable...not ready. We will need to face some bad times manfully.

Christ will say, I never knew you to many. The Greek word is ginosko--like Joseph didn't know Mary till the child was born. Marital or covenant love. We don't have it now, (though we may think so) but it will come in context of parallel events to the Exodus with America getting judgment.

The wedding parables support this in Matt 22:6,7. The midnight cry will be an echo of Exod 12:29,30. The "knock" in Luke 12:36 will be an earthquake because that's how the church in Rev 3:20 ended.

That earthquake will be the "sudden destruction" that brings "the day of the Lord as a thief" 1Thess 5.

God won't do anything without revealing it. It is revealed--we just need open minds to consider how the Scriptures fit without bending to find blind guides

Thank You for considering this...

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I really apologize for this, but your response to my 5 points is very confusing and erratic. However, I will do my best to address what I think I understand from your response.

Richard Ruhling said:

When the disciples wanted the [external] kingdom restored, He did not deny or rebuke such an idea, but He said, It is not for you to know the 'times & seasons' that Paul links to the end-time day of the Lord in 1Thess 5:1-3.

If Christ had your viewpoint, He should have told them it they would know, it's just 10 days away!

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe at first you are referring to Acts 1:6?

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

There some things to look at and understand,
Christians are the spiritual Israel, which makes up Christs kingdom.
Galatians 3:
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

See also Romans 9:1-8 (powerful words from Paul about who the REAL kingdom of Israel exactly is) I believe covering this fact will answer the other pieces you placed in your previous response.

Back to Acts 1:6, Jesus didn't tell them the exact day and time, but He did give them a sign of when it would begin, see Acts 1:8. He told them to "tarry" in Jerusalem. It was bound to happen soon enough. There is your time frame.

What happened in Acts 2:1-4?

As for mentioning 1 Thess 5, it has nothing to do with our current topic of discussion.

And what do you mean "external" kingdom? Also are you implying there are 2 kingdoms Christ will have/had/has? Because I only see one kingdom that lasts forever and ever, which is already established. When I say "physical", I mean actual kingdom with armies, government, etc etc, tangible and all. This will not happen anymore as I have shown with scripture.

The physical kingdom of the Israelites already received their kingdom Since the book of Joshua and it was fulfilled and done. They lost it all due to their disobedience. The kingdom is now a spiritual kingdom "not of this world", and the Christians who are in Christ ARE that kingdom. Church in Greek means "the called out" referring to Christians and not a building. The people are in the kingdom.

Richard Ruhling said:

A further support for this view is Romans 7. Paul, the best Christian ever, said, "the good that I would, I do not, and that which I would not, I do." Paul did NOT have the New Covenant Promise fulfilled to him to have God's law written in his heart to want to do the right things. He had the law in his mind and he died daily to self (Rom 6, amen) but he struggled like you and I with our human nature.

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In Romans 7, Paul is actually speaking AGAINST the law. As in comparing it to the new stating that the law is out shadowed by the new.

You totally missed points like verse 6, " But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

Paul INCLUDES HIMSELF, "we are delievered", in being freed from the law, that you say he never did.

Richard Ruhling said:

The New Covenant Promise (and New Covenant by which we marry Christ in the wedding parables that are ALSO end-time as seen in the context of Matt 24, 25) was "latter day," in Jer 30:24 & 31:1.

To have God's law written in our hearts is something we MUST have if we would be ready to meet Christ in the sky, because only the pure in heart can see God" (and live) Matt 5.

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Showing that the new covenant is established is irrefutable. This point should not be argued period. It is utterly proven in Hebrews time and time again. Hebrews places the new covenant in the PRESENT TENSE, and this is irrefutable.

This topic is also not part of our discussion. We are talking about the kingdom being established. Even though they are related, this topic is still not up for debate as it impossible to refute that the new covenant is established already. I will insert Hebrews 8 as an example for you to read.

Richard Ruhling said:

People are so bold to think they will be raptured, but we aren't pure in heart and are more like Rev 3, wretched and miserable...not ready. We will need to face some bad times manfully.

Christ will say, I never knew you to many. The Greek word is ginosko--like Joseph didn't know Mary till the child was born. Marital or covenant love. We don't have it now, (though we may think so) but it will come in context of parallel events to the Exodus with America getting judgment.

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This response has nothing to do with our topic, but I just wished to address it so you know I am reading your information and not dismissing it or ignoring it.

Richard Ruhling said:

The wedding parables support this in Matt 22:6,7. The midnight cry will be an echo of Exod 12:29,30. The "knock" in Luke 12:36 will be an earthquake because that's how the church in Rev 3:20 ended.

That earthquake will be the "sudden destruction" that brings "the day of the Lord as a thief" 1Thess 5.

God won't do anything without revealing it. It is revealed--we just need open minds to consider how the Scriptures fit without bending to find blind guides

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This also has nothing to do with any of the points I delivered to you.

And besides, there were earthquakes and darkness. Just read the gospels of Christs death on the cross when he "gave up the ghost".

Again, I apologize for not understanding what you are trying to convey, but you have not addressed my 5 points in any of your response.

BABerean2 said:

You are ignoring the word "now" in Hebrews 8:6.

The text from Jeremiah 31:31-34, is quoted word-for-word by the author of the Book of Hebrews in the passage below.
The NKJV uses Uppercase letters to show the parts quoted from the Old Testament.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


We also find the fulfillment of the New Covenant below, with the word "now", and once again a direct quote from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Below the New Covenant is specifically applied to the Church

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Thanks for covering that more in depth. I did a little bit but it had nothing to do with the 5 points I asked him to respond to.

Great reply.

Richard Ruhling said:

Paul included the Exodus when He said, "All those things happened to them for our examples...ends of the world." 1Cor 10:1,11.

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Why omit the text with the ... ?
(That was rhetorical, I think I know why)

Here it is in full:
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Paul testifies that the "ends of the ages" had come upon him and his 1st-century contemporaries.
I can understand, however, why you would need to excise that part.

Richard Ruhling said:

Thank you for considering this & look for your thoughts...

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I think you're a smart guy Richard, a genius. I'm not. I've lost track of half of what i've been thinking about.

Don't post it, if you can remember it, but can you remember the note about how when the events finally begin, that they would all go down very fast. Something about trumpet after trumpet would blow in quick succession. It lines up with what Jesus was saying about lightning flashing from the east and to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

That's what i think it is. I think we are already in the prophetic time period, but the event markers have not been widely recognized. The falling away, the man of sin, the temple of God and the holy place. It's like an end times of the Matrix, not everything is like it seems, but the "darkened" sun is the ultimate defining measurable. An infallible litmus test that can't be moved to measure the multiple witnesses.

I'm, sure that i can hear the composite beast open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. Saying unheard of things against the God of gods. That means that the dragon is here too giving it his power and his throne and his great authority. We're just now waiting for the man of sin to be revealed when the fire falls from heaven in the presence of men. So i think we are already halfway through Revelation 13 while the virgins are taking a snooze.

And while i risk making myself a mini Millerite, the latest thing i noticed is that from the third moon of the tetrad, until a day in the last week of November, is 1335 days. And then from that day in the last week in November, until the "darkened" sun, is 40 days. The Lord could roll this whole place up like a scroll over the period of 40 days.

Take care.

"Behold I come quickly.