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Italian parish switches from EP to ROCOR
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probably will be as long as Constantinople maintains their position.
Lord have mercy indeed
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Both priests in that parish have been suspended by the Exarchate
Archevêché des églises russes en Europe occidentale - Communiqué du Bureau de l’Archevêque du 1er novembre 2018
Lord have mercy !
Archevêché des églises russes en Europe occidentale - Communiqué du Bureau de l’Archevêque du 1er novembre 2018
Lord have mercy !
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Can a parish/priest just vote to change jurisdictions? I'm pretty sure they can't.
I know a priest has to apply to both jurisdictions for permission, and the reasons would factor in too.
I know a priest has to apply to both jurisdictions for permission, and the reasons would factor in too.
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Huh. So now ROCOR / the MP can't unsuspend them, right? Or they'll be doing one of the things they accuse the EP of?
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no, it's not the same. the schismatics were never IN the Church. it's not like the EP for that reason. plus history has shown a ton of times where priests left their bishops for others because their bishops were in error.
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But what if the Church eventually agrees that HAH was not in error? Then will these priests have been in error?
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Also, I thought Filaret was unanimously understood to have been a canonical hierarch in the past. Is that not so?
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Church canons already show that he is in error, not to mention his own words.
but for the sake of the argument, yes, if HAH was in correct then those priests and the bishops that received them would be in error.
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yes, but he lost that when he was anathematized which was unanimously accepted.
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Why was he anathematized?
Also to make sure I'm understanding -- Filaret was a hierarch, then he was deposed as a heretic, but he was like "nah I'm still a bishop", and that created his schismatic group?
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Depending on how the parish is organized, yes easily or yes difficultly.
In the USA I don't think there's a parish without a parish council. The parish members can indeed vote to leave a jurisdiction for another. But then they have to be accepted by the 'new' jurisdiction as well.
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The MP/ROCOR no longer recognizes the EP so there is no canonical release needed. Whether the building can be transferred that's all about who holds the deed.
But EP priests if they want to join the MP no longer require permission from their bishop as he is no longer recognized as one..
But EP priests if they want to join the MP no longer require permission from their bishop as he is no longer recognized as one..
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Well, it's not half as bad as I was worried it could be by now. So far it's a one-way break in communion. I know it is affecting people (mostly people who have absolutely no power over any aspect of the situation) and I don't mean to downplay that, but strictly speaking, I think, it isn't schism. The MP is still in full communion with, say, the OCA...and the OCA is still in full communion with the EP.
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