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not sure, I suspect they would though.

I don't see why they wouldn't? It's the Ecumenical Patriarch they're currently not commemorating.

The ROCOR never accepted their autocephaly, so it wouldn't surprise me.

buzuxi02 said:

The ROCOR never accepted their autocephaly, so it wouldn't surprise me.

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except now they are under Moscow, who has.

Not sure about that, but HB made a pilgrimage to the ROCOR cathedral in San Francisco to venerate Saint John's relics recently, and there is no indication he was given the cold shoulder.

The Primate of the Orthodox Church in America makes a Private Pilgrimage to St. John of San Francisco the Wonderworker

the OCA and ROCOR have had a pretty good relationship since 2008

archer75 said:

This is not in connection with any of that. I also don't see why they wouldn't, but I heard that they don't, even after they were reunited to Moscow in 2007. That's why I asked.

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It's only been since 2007? That's a pretty short time, for change to be noticeable, by O'dox standard!

For the most part OCA and ROCOR are like two long lost brothers who finally reunited after decades of separation. For the most part we get along.

I wouldn't be surprised if some, for lack of a better word, extremist priests did not at their own parishes.

ArmyMatt said:

except now they are under Moscow, who has.

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This is true, but it all depends on what kind of agreements they made during the reunification talks. In reality all who recognize OCA autocephaly are supposed to pack their bags and leave North America or very least commemorate the OCA primate.

buzuxi02 said:

This is true, but it all depends on what kind of agreements they made during the reunification talks. In reality all who recognize OCA autocephaly are supposed to pack their bags and leave North America or very least commemorate the OCA primate.

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I am pretty sure they do commemorate the OCA primate, as they have concelebrated with him AS the OCA primate.

ArmyMatt said:

I am pretty sure they do commemorate the OCA primate, as they have concelebrated with him AS the OCA primate.

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During concelebration yes. I doubt anything has been worked out officially on Rocor's attitude towards OCA autocephaly. Generally ROCOR doesnt find overlapping jurisdictions in diasporan immigrant lands to be uncanonical: The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia - Official Website

that doesn't mean they don't recognize the OCA's autocephaly

buzuxi02 said:

This is true, but it all depends on what kind of agreements they made during the reunification talks. In reality all who recognize OCA autocephaly are supposed to pack their bags and leave North America or very least commemorate the OCA primate.

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Which makes one wonder why the parishes that stayed MP after autocephaly was granted even exist. I can understand leaving one or two as the MP's representative parish in the USA and Canada, but not a few dozen that warrant their own bishop.

As for ROCOR, that would take a great deal of time if they were to join the OCA (at least North American parishes). Partly because of whomever may hold deeds, partly because their only seminary is in New York, and, partly because of the history that caused the OCA/ROCOR split in the 1920s.

There's also the calendar issue.

Mary of Bethany said:

There's also the calendar issue.

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that's really not that much of an issue from the OCA POV, as the OCA has parishes (even in the lower 48) on both calendars.

ArmyMatt said:

that's really not that much of an issue from the OCA POV, as the OCA has parishes (even in the lower 48) on both calendars.

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Yep. Plus the whole Diocese of Alaska is Old Calendar.

E.C. said:

Yep. Plus the whole Diocese of Alaska is Old Calendar.

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yep, and some places with multiple clergy will use both.

ArmyMatt said:

that's really not that much of an issue from the OCA POV, as the OCA has parishes (even in the lower 48) on both calendars.

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Right, but wouldn't it be a big issue for ROCOR?