What can we learn from the Bible about choosing leaders?

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In 1 Samuel 8, the Israelites are unhappy with the leadership of Samuel's sons and demand that he appoint a king. They look enviously at surrounding nations and yearn for their own strongman at the top.

“You are old and your sons do not follow in your ways; appoint for us, then, a king to govern us, like other nations.” (1 Samuel 8:5)

They think that their home grown tough guy will provide better leadership than what God has in mind for them and perhaps even than God Himself. Note that they didn't consult with God first or with Samuel, they just looked at other nations and hankered after the strong, decisive leadership others seemed to have.

Unsurprisingly God sees this rejection and warns of the consequences: "show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them" (1 Samuel 8:9) "...He will take one-tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves." (1 Samuel 8:17)

People have always looked to the strongman leader to save them and often they slide or are forced into worshiping the ruler like a god. Sometimes this demigod does not displace God in their worship, only in their hearts: even while proclaiming God as Lord, people can end up idolising their human ruler who they convince themselves is executing God's judgement. Inevitably, the population become slaves but not all by force. Such a ruler who welcomes this kind of adoration will find himself with willing slaves all around.

How then should we choose leaders (assuming we are fortunate enough to have any say in that at all)? We, as Christians, have two models to look at: on one extreme we have Satan and on the other we have Jesus.

Satan is characterised as "a murderer,...a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44), "like a roaring lion" (1 Peter 5:8), cunning (Ephesians 6:11), "deceiver" (Revelation 12:9), "accuser" (Revelation 12:9), disguised "as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14) and "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4). The strongman leader is like a roaring lion and thinks himself a god of this world. Often he will lie and deceive to maintain his power and/or popularity, convincing his followers that he is an angel of light while making accusations against his opponents or scapegoats often to demonise them. This is the kind of leader we should avoid.

Jesus is described as being the most loving (John 15:13), being truthful (John 14:6), having "compassion" (Matthew 9:36), coming "not to be served but to serve" (Mark 10:45), taking "the form of a slave" (Philippians 2:7), being humble and "obedient" (Philippians 2:8), going "about doing good and healing" (Acts 10:38), being "merciful and faithful" (Hebrews 2:17) and having "utmost patience" (1 Timothy 1:16). Of course no human being can match up to Jesus, but we should look to Him as our model for the perfect king. This might seem obvious, but we should not underestimate the lure of the strongman image which has appealed from the days of warring tribes to the present day.

Even though no person will measure up, it should be possible to discern who demonstrates more of Jesus's characteristics and to resist our impulse to be drawn to the strongman. The "roaring lion" may seem to have some attractive policies, but often they exploit our fears and we know that "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear"; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love." (1 John 4:18)?

We should pick leaders who are as much as possible loving, compassionate, patient, humble, truthful, merciful, faithful and willing "not to be served but to serve".
 

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Do you feel that God is NOT in control?
I believe that we have free will. If you believe that everything God does is good and God picked Hitler and Stalin, then you'd have to conclude they what they did (which God was in control of) was good too.
 
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What was the eventual benefit to the Jews Hitler gassed or the people Stalin purged?
Your response. Do we think God is offended when innocent people die
and it messes up all God's plans?
 
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Was that a yes or a no to God being in control?
It depends what you mean by control. If you mean did God bring about Hitler and Stalin being in power, I would say no. Do you believe that what Hitler and Stalin did was good?
 
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It depends what you mean by control. If you mean did God bring about Hitler and Stalin being in power, I would say no. Do you believe that what Hitler and Stalin did was good?
How do you personally determine when you feel God is in control? Is it when you agree with His decisions?
 
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None of what you are asking me has anything to do with the OP.
It has everything to do with the line of questioning you have presented to me as a result of my one simple statement: "God is in control."

If you decide to articulate what exactly you feel is incorrect with my statement, I'll be happy to address your concerns.
 
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It has everything to do with the line of questioning you have presented to me as a result of my one simple statement: "God is in control."

If you decide to articulate what exactly you feel is incorrect with my statement, I'll be happy to address your concerns.

Your statement in relation to my post about how to choose leaders seems to imply that there's no point in making any effort to discern between potential leaders because it has already been decided.
 
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Of course no human being can match up to Jesus, but we should look to Him as our model for the perfect king. This might seem obvious, but we should not underestimate the lure of the strongman image which has appealed from the days of warring tribes to the present day.
In us, who is ruling? Are we ruled by Jesus who is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:28-30)? Or, are we ruled by the one who mainly calls attention to money and control?

What can we learn? That God is on control.
Yes, God is in control. But control is not all there is to God. How God is in control is how we need to be in control in sharing with Him, submitting to how Jesus gently and humbly rules our emotions, ways of reacting, relating, feeling, and talking and thinking.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Our Bible qualified (1 Timothy 3:1-10) leaders rule us by their example, not by control.

But various people are controlled by circumstances. And so they can be ruled by means of how leaders control money and other items which have worldly people under their power.

Adolph Hitler won the obedience of a lot of the German people, so he could mess up the world quite a bit. It sounds like he used economic growth and showing off the military to get people to trust him. And he could talk so they were convinced. I read, I think, that he studied different gestures to use while speaking.

Yes, there are people who evaluate by how others talk and make gestures, and a psychopath can put on that show that a lot of people are looking for.

"'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24)

It seems to me that >
Germany had a population of psychopaths who were ready to serve him in the S.S. And they could intimidate other Germans to go along with Adolph, because as people trusted and authorized by Adolph they could get near to higher military and political people who might be thinking about standing up to Hitler < this is what I understand, anyway.

I would say that any country has humans like in Germany; so in any country there is a resident population of psychopaths who are ready to go if a tyrant gets into power and then recruits them.

David had this situation > 1 Samuel 30, with special attention to verse 22 > Right in David's militarily successful group of men there were those evil men, ready to help David go the wrong way. But David stood up to them and refused their demands. David would rule in our Father's family sharing way, I think he is saying here, not merely with rewards for only certain people.

Of course, David became his own psychopath, taking the wife of one of his most genuine friends and having the friend killed. So, any of us needs to keep an eye on our own selves, how God makes us able to be honest and evaluate.
 
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Your statement in relation to my post about how to choose leaders seems to imply that there's no point in making any effort to discern between potential leaders because it has already been decided.
Well, I generally prefer to address what I actually post, not what people decide to add to it. But I'll make this exception.

Since your OP led off with 1 Samuel 8, who do you think actually chose Saul?

(hint, turn the page to Chapter 9, verses 15-17)
 
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Perhaps you'd like to address what I actually posted instead of what you decided to add to it?
I am sorry if I misunderstood you. The question was "What can we learn from the Bible about choosing leaders?" to which you answered "God is in control". Were you saying that God is in control of choosing leaders? If so, what did you mean?
 
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