KIND = GENUS

AV1611VET · Oct 31, 2018

For your edification: KIND = GENUS.

From the online etymology dictionary:

genus (n.)
(Latin plural genera), 1550s as a term of logic, "kind or class of things" (biological sense dates from c. 1600), from Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, kind; family, birth, descent, origin," from suffixed form of PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Occams Barber · Oct 31, 2018

AV1611VET said:
For your edification: KIND = GENUS.

From the online etymology dictionary:

genus (n.)
(Latin plural genera), 1550s as a term of logic, "kind or class of things" (biological sense dates from c. 1600), from Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, kind; family, birth, descent, origin," from suffixed form of PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Thanks for this AV. I can finally sleep at night.

Now, all we have to do is make those recalcitrant biologists start using it.

OB

Tanj · Oct 31, 2018

I think you're being unkind.

Occams Barber · Oct 31, 2018

Tanj said:
I think you're being unkind.

Unfortunately a necessary evil.

Now that AV has finally solved one of Life's Great Mysteries, we have two choices:
1. Re-educate the biologists
or
2. Rewrite the Bible substituting 'genus' for 'kind'

Since there are more Bibles out there than biologists what choice do we have?
OB

Tanj · Oct 31, 2018

Occams Barber said:
Unfortunately a necessary evil.

I wasn't talking to you (should have made that clear)

Occams Barber · Oct 31, 2018

Tanj said:
I think you're being unkind.

UNkind

The penny just dropped.
OB

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 31, 2018

AV1611VET said:
For your edification: KIND = GENUS.

From the online etymology dictionary:

genus (n.)
(Latin plural genera), 1550s as a term of logic, "kind or class of things" (biological sense dates from c. 1600), from Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, kind; family, birth, descent, origin," from suffixed form of PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Howdy Phil......what it is!

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
G1085 matches the Greek γένος (genos), occurs 21 times in 21
genos ghen'-os from 1096;
"kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective):--born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock.
Strong's Greek: 1085. γένος (genos) -- family, offspring

Galatians 1:
13 for ye did hear of my behaviour once in Judaism, that exceedingly I was persecuting the assembly of God, and wasting it,
14 and I was advancing in Judaism above many equals in age in mine own race<1085>, being more abundantly zealous of my fathers' deliverances,
Philippians 3:5
circumcision on the eighth day! of the race<1085> of Israel! of the tribe of Benjamin!
a Hebrew of Hebrews! according to law a Pharisee!

TR — 21x in 4 unique form(s)
γένει — 5x
γένη — 3x
γένος — 8x
γένους — 5x

Revelation 22:16
'I Jesus did send my Messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies;
I am the root and the race<γένος 1085> of David, the bright and shining morning star!

.

Bungle_Bear · Oct 31, 2018

Just to get you up to speed, KIND = SPECIES

species | Origin and meaning of species by Online Etymology Dictionary

species (n.)
late 14c. as a classification in logic, from Latin species "a particular sort, kind, or type"

See, it can mean anything anyone wants it to mean and there's a definition to support every claim.

Occams Barber · Nov 1, 2018

And, to complete the circle, according to that same etymological dictionary, kind doesn't refer to species or genus (see entry below).

We can however reveal that kind should actually be gecyndboc based on Aelfric's original translation of the Book of Genesis into real, Saxon, English, as opposed to your Frenchified, King Jamesian drivel.
OB

kind (n.)
"class, sort, variety," from Old English gecynd "kind, nature, race," related to cynn "family" (see kin), from Proto-Germanic *kundjaz "family, race," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Ælfric's rendition of "the Book of Genesis" into Old English came out gecyndboc. The prefix disappeared 1150-1250. No exact cognates beyond English, but it corresponds to adjective endings such as Goth -kunds, Old High German -kund. Also in English as a suffix (mankind, etc., also compare godcund "divine"). Other earlier, now obsolete, senses included "character, quality derived from birth" and "manner or way natural or proper to anyone."

AV1611VET · Nov 1, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Howdy Phil......what it is!

Hiya, Steve!

You da man! :wave:

AV1611VET · Nov 1, 2018

Occams Barber said:
We can however reveal that kind should actually be gecyndboc ...

Gesundheit.

VirOptimus · Nov 1, 2018

AV1611VET said:
For your edification: KIND = GENUS.

From the online etymology dictionary:

genus (n.)
(Latin plural genera), 1550s as a term of logic, "kind or class of things" (biological sense dates from c. 1600), from Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, kind; family, birth, descent, origin," from suffixed form of PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Ok, then you accept that humans are apes.

Furthermore you accept that if the definition of genus changes, then the bible will change to.

AV1611VET · Nov 1, 2018

VirOptimus said:
Ok, then you accept that humans are apes.

No, I don't.

God brought genera into existence fully-formed.

VirOptimus said:
Furthermore you accept that if the definition of genus changes, then the bible will change to.

I'm not dealing with definitions here.

If you want me to define it, here it is:

A kind ... (sinonym: genus) ... is a class of animals:

Which can trace its ancestry back to a common designer.
Which can reproduce fertile offspring.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 1, 2018

Bungle_Bear said:
Just to get you up to speed, KIND = SPECIES
species (n.)
late 14c. as a classification in logic, from Latin species "a particular sort, kind, or type"

See, it can mean anything anyone wants it to mean and there's a definition to support every claim.

kind
"kind" occurs 87 times in 69 verses in the YLT.

Genesis 1:
11 And Elohim saith, 'Let the earth yield tender grass, herb sowing seed, fruit-tree (whose seed is in itself) making fruit after its kind, on the earth:' and it is so
25 And Elohim maketh the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, and Elohim seeth that it is good.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
G1085 γένος (genos),

Matthew 13:47
'Again, the kingdom of the heavens is like to a net that was cast into the sea,
and did gather together of every kind,
Matthew 17:21
and this kind doth not go forth except in prayer and fasting.
1 Corinthians 12:10
and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 14:10
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is unmeaning,

Strong's #1085 - γένος - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon
Vocabulary of the Greek NT

γένος is common in the papyri with reference to a species or class of things. Thus P Fay 21.10 (A.D. 134) εἴτ᾽ ἐν γένεσιν εἴτ᾽ ἐν ἀργυρίῳ , ";
whether in kind or in money,"; with reference to payments, ib. 90.11 (A.D. 234) χ [ρῆ ]σιν ἐγ γένι λαχανοσπέρμου ἀρτάβας τρ [ῖ ]ς , ";
a loan in kind of three artabas of vegetable seed,"; P Oxy VIII. 1134.13 (A.D. 421) περὶ ἄλλου τινὸς εἴδους ἢ γένους , ";of any other sort or kind.";
In P Grenf II. 44.11 (A.D. 101) the word occurs in connexion with the transport of ";goods,"; and in P Oxy IV. 727.20 (A.D. 154) an agent is authorized γένη διαπωλήσοντα ἃ ἐὰν δέον ᾖ τῇ αὐτοῦ πίστει , ";to sell off produce as may be needful on his own authority"; : cf. ib. I. 54.16 (A.D. 201) εἰς τειμὴν γενῶν , ";for the price of materials"; for the repair of public buildings, and ib. 101.16 (A. D. 142) where γένεσι = ";crops."; Similarly P Amh II. 91.15 (A.D. 159) οἷς ἐὰν αἱρῶμαι γένεσι πλὴν κνήκου , ";with any crops I choose except cnecus"; (Edd.). In P Oxy IX. 1202.20 (A.D. 217) κατ᾽ ἀκολουθείαν τῶν ἐτῶν καὶ τοῦ γένους , the word is used = ";parentage"; : cf. BGU I. 140.26 (B.C. 119) τοῖς πρὸς [γ ]ένους συνγενέσι , ";to the legitimate parents."; With γένος = ";offspring,"; as in Acts 17:28, cf. IG XIV. 641 (Thurii) καὶ γὰρ ἐγὼν ὑμῶν γένος ὄλβιον εὔχομαι εἶμεν . . . Ὄλβιε καὶ μακαριστέ , θεὸς δ᾽εσῃ ἀντὶ βροτοῖο , and 638 γῆς παῖς εἰμὶ καὶ οὐρανοῦ ἀστερόεντος , αὐτὰρ ἐμοὶ γένος οὐράνιον (both cited by Norden Agnostos Theos, p. 194). Acts 4:6 has a close parallel in P Tebt II. 291.36 (A.D. 162) ἀ ]π ̣εδ ̣[ι ]ξας σεαυτὸν γένους [ὄ ]ντα ἱερατικοῦ . In OGIS 470.5 (time of Augustus) a certain Theophron describes himself as priest διὰ γένου τῆς Ἀναΐτιδος Ἀρτέμιδος , ";hereditary"; priest. In ib. 513.10 (iii/A.D.) γένους τῶν Ἐπι (λ )αϊδῶν , and 635.4 (Palmyra, A.D. 178–9) οἱ ἐγ γένους Ζαβδιβωλείων , it answers to gens, a tribe or clan. For the common τῷ γένει in descriptions, cf. Syll 852.2 (ii/B.C.) σῶμα ἀνδρεῖον ὧι ὄνομα Κύπριος τὸ γένος Κύπριον . In Vettius Valens, p. 86.26, εἰς γένος εἰσελθών is used of a manumitted slave : cf. p. 106.11.

Zechariah 2
13 “Be silent!<2013> all flesh before YAHWEH,
for He is roused from HIS holy Habitation!”
Revelation 8:1
When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence/sigh<4602> in the Heaven for about half an hour.

VirOptimus · Nov 1, 2018

AV1611VET said:
No, I don't.

God brought genera into existence fully-formed.I'm not dealing with definitions here.

If you want me to define it, here it is:

A kind ... (sinonym: genus) ... is a class of animals:

Which can trace its ancestry back to a common designer.

Which can reproduce fertile offspring.

Then your op is invalid as you now say that kind and genus arent the same thing.

AV1611VET · Nov 1, 2018

VirOptimus said:
Then your op is invalid as you now say that kind and genus arent the same thing.

They were the day God created His animals.

What has happened is that academia has gotten its hooks into it and ... as usual ... messed it up.

The first thing lying academia did was claim they "discovered" a system of classifying animals.

Then they included in this classification system a "genus," thus plutoing "kind" to "genus" and ... as usual ... taking the credit for "discovering" it, when actually, it's on the first page of the Bible.

Now lying academia has added this and that to their version of what God created, moved this over here and that over there ... added "discoveries" and "missing links" here, there, and everywhere, and lied so effectively, the public -- including the Catholic denomination -- believes it.

For example, Cro-magnons and Neanderthals, rather than being human descendants of Adam & Eve, are actually sold to the public as coming before Adam & Eve.

And yes, I know.

These academicians don't believe Adam & Eve actually existed.

I wouldn't either, if I sold my soul to academia.

DogmaHunter · Nov 1, 2018

AV1611VET said:
They were the day God created His animals.

What has happened is that academia has gotten its hooks into it and ... as usual ... messed it up.

The first thing lying academia did was claim they "discovered" a system of classifying animals.

Then they included in this classification system a "genus," thus plutoing "kind" to "genus" and ... as usual ... taking the credit for "discovering" it, when actually, it's on the first page of the Bible.

Now lying academia has added this and that to their version of what God created, moved this over here and that over there ... added "discoveries" and "missing links" here, there, and everywhere, and lied so effectively, the public -- including the Catholic denomination -- believes it.

For example, Cro-magnons and Neanderthals, rather than being human descendants of Adam & Eve, are actually sold to the public as coming before Adam & Eve.

And yes, I know.

These academicians don't believe Adam & Eve actually existed.

I wouldn't either, if I sold my soul to academia.

Those evil, evil academians....

Let's get'em!
You bring the torches, I'll get the pitchforks!

VirOptimus · Nov 1, 2018

AV1611VET said:
They were the day God created His animals.

What has happened is that academia has gotten its hooks into it and ... as usual ... messed it up.

The first thing lying academia did was claim they "discovered" a system of classifying animals.

Then they included in this classification system a "genus," thus plutoing "kind" to "genus" and ... as usual ... taking the credit for "discovering" it, when actually, it's on the first page of the Bible.

Now lying academia has added this and that to their version of what God created, moved this over here and that over there ... added "discoveries" and "missing links" here, there, and everywhere, and lied so effectively, the public -- including the Catholic denomination -- believes it.

For example, Cro-magnons and Neanderthals, rather than being human descendants of Adam & Eve, are actually sold to the public as coming before Adam & Eve.

And yes, I know.

These academicians don't believe Adam & Eve actually existed.

I wouldn't either, if I sold my soul to academia.

Tl;dr.

Just admit it, your op was (as usual) wrong.

AV1611VET · Nov 1, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
Those evil, evil academians....

Let's get'em!
You bring the torches, I'll get the pitchforks!

Better yet, quit acting like you don't know what a kind is.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 1, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
Those evil, evil academians....

Let's get'em!
You bring the torches, I'll get the pitchforks!

Reminds me of how Jesus was arrested in the Garden.

The ruler of this world coming, judged, cast out

John 14:30
Not much longer I shall be speaking to ye, for is coming/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> the ruler/chief of the world, and in Me not he having nothing
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.
John 18:3
Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the Chief priests and Pharisees,
is coming/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;

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