"Works of the Law"

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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?
 

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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?

“Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the descendant to whom the promise had been made. It was administered through angels by an intermediary.” (Galatians 3:19)

“For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes.” (Romans 10:4)

So we use the law as a commentary and for instruction in the New Covenant.
 
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I believe that Law is the standard of righteousness once saved, but we can't live up to it without the provisions of 1 John 1:9.

With the woman who was caught in adultery [John 8], Jesus did not condemn her but told her to "...go and sin no more" [verse 11].

To me, that sounds like we are still expected observe God's criminal Law, as we are able. And 1 John 1:9 is given to accommodate that.
 
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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?
No, it simply means they don't save. God desires us to obey Him, part of submitting to Him as "Lord" means doing things His way and not ours... otherwise, we are Lord and He is not.

To obey or do good works is expected, it just isn't what saves us. He expects us to feed those who are starving, take care of the widow and orphan, teach those who desire to learn, and so forth. But again, those are things He expects of HIS PEOPLE but those aren't what make us His people. His grace and His grace alone is what allows us to call Him Father.
 
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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?
I've heard certain people use Galatians 2:16 to say that we are not justified by "works of the law" (as if that only includes the ceremonial aspect of the law) then imply that it does not include the moral aspect of the law. The erroneous end result is we are saved by "these" works (good works) and just not "those" works (works of the law) yet when it comes to the moral aspect of the law, we "cannot dissect" good works from the law. (James 2:15-16; Matthew 22:37-40; Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18)
 
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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?
Israel was called a hired hand. She was to circumcise the male members, to teach that the Messiah would be Jewish, and a man. Her job was to be the bearer of oracles, to help believers identify the Christ. Similarly with the other special laws (ceremonial laws) pointing to Christ.

Romans 3:1Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

In return, Israel would escape the wrath of God. She would never be saved perfectly, become blessings to the world, but faithful believers never went to hell. The Sinaitic Covenant was a pedagogo, wrongfully translated as tutor, but Greek slaves, pedagogos were babysitters, guardians, caring for the children in the place of the parents. So Israel had to WORK for her safekeeping. There were always righteous Jews like Elizabeth and Zacharias, whose existence ensured Israel’s survival, remnant who ensured Israel was never going the way of Sodom and Gomorrah.

It has been recently made clear that the ceremonial laws are "works of the Law".

These are the works, employment requirements, that have a wage paid in terms of being saved. The three dominant sects were the Sadducees , the Pharisee and the Essenes. Large amounts of parchment have been discovered in the Qumran Essene archaeological dig, which list the requirements that will have a payback in the form of being saved, called halakhic requirements.

http://ntwrightpage.com/files/2016/05/Wright_4QMMT_Paul.pdf

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(3) This brings us to the key comparison between MMT and Paul. Paul, arguably, held a version of the same covenantal and eschatological scheme of thought as MMT; but, in his scheme, the place taken by ‘works of Torah’ in MMT was taken by ‘faith’. Paul, like MMT, believed (a) in a coming ‘last day’ when all would be revealed, and (b) that the verdict of that last day could be anticipated in the present when someone displayed the appropriate marks of covenant membership. For him, though, the appropriate marks were not ‘works’, either of the biblical Torah or of post-biblic halakhah, but faith: more specifically, faith in the God who raised Jesus from the dead.
 
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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?

Paul gives an example of what he means in his letter to the Colossians:

Col 2:20 - Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations

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Col 2:21 - “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”

Those ordinances prohibiting "touch, taste, handle" are part of the Jewish laws of ritual purity.
 
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Boiled down you have two commandments that fulfill the rest, And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ the IS RA EL of God in one body.
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, the more excellent way. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son(fear): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son (love) of the freewoman.

For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building,
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Bible, the greatest story ever told! Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. The only divide in scripture is based on how its read, flesh ( fear) or spirit (love). Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh : yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.



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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law? Now before you all correct me in that Paul is referring to the "ceremonial law" only, then please show me how the words "Works of the Law" is consistent with ONLY ceremonial laws after the cross. Because if it's not just the ceremonial laws then it's both laws, And if both laws then what does the words "Works of the Law" mean?

It can be simply stated that the Law required "works" in order to achieve remission of sin. That work has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Therefore, it no longer had the purpose of redeeming an individual from sin through temple sacrifice. All things were made new with "the new covenant".

We as Christians have the law written in our hearts now and with the power of the Holy Spirit we can discern which laws apply to us and which ones were fulfilled by our Lord. The 613 Mitzvot are considered the law. If you take the time to read them all, you will be able to figure out what Paul was really talking about. The Gospel.

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

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In Galatians chapter 2:16 Paul states that the "Works of the Law" cannot save you. Does this mean "Works of the Law" is bad? If it is bad, what is bad about keeping the moral law?
"Works of the Law" or keeping the 10 Commandments in the letter and spirit of the Law cannot save us (alone). Salvation requires:
BELIEF - FAITH - LAW - OBEDIENCE - JUSTIFICATION - GRACE - REPENTANCE -
It all fits together! We cannot discuss one without discussing the others and expect to understand.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.”

Many people sincerely believe that all one has to do is “believe on Jesus” to be saved. Jesus says this to those who believe but do not do the things He says:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven...’” (Matthew 7:21–23).
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46)?
“But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17).

The Importance of Belief
Jesus asked Martha... “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25–26).
“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12).
Acts 16:30-31: “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” The reply was simple and direct: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household”

Acts 13:38–39 tells us that, “through this Man [Jesus Christ] is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.”

Belief and Obedience AND Faith are Connected
Many today seek to disconnect belief from obedience, and faith from works BUT the scriptures show the WHOLE picture of HOW they connect.
The law does not justify us. It teaches us the reason we need justification. It teaches us what sin is (1 John 3:4). Once we have sinned by breaking that law, it is through faith in the sacrifice of Christ that justification—forgiveness of past sins—takes place. The law defines sin. Faith in Christ’s sacrifice brings about justification.


This is summarized in Galatians 2:15–18: “We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.”


Paul also said, “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified” (by Christ) (Romans 2:13). We are justified to God by Christ having paid the penalty for our past sins, but the Bible teaches that we should become diligent in keeping the commandments and (strive to) sin no more.


(James 2:19) James says “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!” . “But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” (v. 20). Then, using the example of Abraham offering up his son Isaac, he says: “Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?” (v. 22).

And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?” (Hebrews 3:14–18). Then Paul sums up this passage by saying: “So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (v. 19). He connects Belief with Obedience

Hebrews 11 is known as the “faith chapter” because it records example after example of men and women who exercised faith in the face of trials and stress. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him” (v. 6).

Some conclude that the Apostle Paul taught against commandment keeping, but as Peter said, many have misunderstood some things Paul wrote: "as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16). Paul never contradicted Jesus by teaching commandment breaking.


Some refer to Acts 15 and claim it does away with the necessity to keep the law of God, but it says no such thing. The subject under discussion in Acts 15 was: if circumcision is necessary; not whether the commandments were "done away." Later Paul, in a letter to uncircumcised Gentile Christians said, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19). Even the Apostle to the Gentiles taught commandment keeping!

If we truly love God, we will begin keeping His commandments, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).


God's Grace
Grace is a “gift from God.” But, is this grace a permanent state, such that “once saved, always saved”?
An often-misunderstood verse in Scripture. Ephesians 2:8 tells us, “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (KJV). The phrase “are ye saved” uses a present-progressive verb. A “present-progressive” verb describes an ongoing action. Any good Bible concordance will verify that the KJV correctly renders the tense of the original Greek verb. Sadly, many newer translations wrongly translate the phrase as “you have been saved”—which can wrongly imply a permanent condition—leading readers to infer wrongly the “once saved, always saved” doctrine. The most precise translation of Ephesians 2:8, in light of modern English grammar, would be that we “are being” saved through faith.


To sum up, Christians have been saved from our past sins by the blood of Christ (justification); we are now “being saved” through faith (Matthew 24:13), and we “shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10).

Repentance
Many preach and teach - "Just believe, and you will be saved!" BUT God tells us to repent of sin and be baptized - is THAT "salvation by works"?
What is repentance? The Greek word translated "repent" is metanoeo, which means to "think differently." One must repent of—think differently about—one's sin. But what is sin? "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4). The King James Version puts it plainly—"sin is the transgression of the law."


When we repent of sin, we are deeply sorry for having transgressed God's law. We no longer have a hostile attitude toward God and His law of liberty. We no longer have a carnal attitude that is enmity against the law of God (Romans 8:7). After repentance, we want to be in harmony with God's law of love—the Ten Commandments. Repentance brings a deep change in our thinking, and a commitment to live by every word of God. As Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" (Luke 4:4).


On the day of Pentecost in 31ad, in the first inspired sermon of the New Testament Church, the Apostle Peter spoke in Jerusalem to several thousand people, after which they became convicted for their part in killing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Thousands asked Peter and the other Apostles: "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37).

Here was Peter's opportunity to tell them that they did not need to do anything more than "believe." Did he tell them so? No! What did he actually say? "Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'" (Acts 2:38). Peter proclaimed wonderful news—that they could be forgiven of their sins, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this to occur, he insisted on two points—that they repent (of breaking God's Spiritual Law - The 10 Commandments), and that they be baptized. We need the Holy Spirit to overcome the downward pull of human nature. Paul described his struggles with human nature: "I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin" (Romans 7:25). Christ will live His life in us to help us combat sin and walk in His Way with a CONTINUED state of repentance (Gal 2:20)


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Galatians Chapter Three
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by1 the flesh? 4 Did you suffer2 so many things in vain-if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith- 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify3 the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”4 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”- 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit5 through faith.
The Law and the Promise
15 To give a human example, brothers:6 even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave7 nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Hebrews Chapter 9
The Earthly Holy Place
1 Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2 For a tent1 was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence.2 It is called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a second section3 called the Most Holy Place, 4 having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron's staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9 (which is symbolic for the present age).4 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,5 then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify6 for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our7 conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.8 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

First of all, the O.T. commandments are called the Mitzvot, and there are 613 commandments as part of the Mosaic Law. Under the O.T. Jews were under the authority of Moses. The sinner under the O.T. had sins atoned for (temporarily) by the sacrifice and rituals of the priests. Sin and how sin was dealt with under the Old Covenant were shadows of how Christ would come and deal with mankind's sin problem, a problem that could only be dealt with by the precious Blood of the Lamb of God. That was the only payment for sin that the Father would accept. Mankind can't deal with sin on his or her own. God chose how He would deal with it!

Dispensationals will tell you which books of the Bible apply to the church, and they even tell you that Hebrews applies to Israel in a future kingdom and not to the Church. In other words, we are not yet under the New Covenant. That's a false teaching of the highest degree. If we're not under the New Covenant then no one participating in this or any other forum here is yet saved. Jesus Christ is now our Great High Priest, Mediator, and Intercessor. Think of Him as your attorney. His blood was presented in the Heavenly Holy of Holies as proof that He had accomplished God's will by His obedience on the cross. He intercedes for us. It is His righteousness by which the Father sees us now as righteous. His righteousness is imputed to us when we put our faith in His finished work on the cross.
 
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