The Name, the Language and the Observances

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Before making definitive decisions about the correct Name of our Creator, the language that we should speak, or the ordinances that we should observe, it is necessary to carefully discern Scriptures as given to us;

Deuteronomy 28:58 & 64 If you do not observe My Laws and revere this honoured and dreaded Name of the Lord your God, then He will punish and disperse you among the nations and you will serve other gods.

Hosea 9:1-7 Do not rejoice, Israel, for you have been unfaithful to your God. You are sent into exile from the Holy Land. Do not make sacrificial offerings to Him, as that will be like food at a funeral and would make you unclean. Your food must be only for your own needs, do not offer any to the Lord. Psalms 50:1-23
What will you do on the day of the Lord’s appointed feasts? For look; the people have gone out from their devastated Land and now live among the nations. Hosea 8:8 Their decreed punishment is upon them because of their sins and their prophets will be as fools and inspired seers like madmen.

2 Chronicles 15:3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, without anyone to interpret the Law and without the Law.

Isaiah 28:9-13 Who is there that can be taught? That makes sense of what he hears? People are just like babies, newly weaned, because the Word is precept upon precept, a little here, a little there. So now, with a foreign tongue, the Lord will address this people, a people that would not listen, therefore they cannot gain understanding and will fall, be injured, trapped and caught.

The two kingdoms, Israel and Judah, are both conquered and their decreed punishment, that is exile from their Land, is upon them. Although part of Judah have returned to part of the Land, we await the final gathering of all Israel, all the faithful Christians, be they descendants of Jacob or grafted in by faith and righteousness.

Before that, we are told not to observe the appointed festival days or make sacrifice, as we have no one to correctly advise us and interpret the Law. Now; the Lord will address His people in a foreign language. [that is; not Hebrew. Our Bibles are 99% available in every language now]

Isaiah 52:6 On that day [when He saves His people] you will know My Name and know that it is I, your God who speaks. Hosea 2:16-17

Ezekiel 39:7 My Holy Name I shall make known in the midst of My people, Israel, and it will no longer be profaned, the nations will know that I, your God am holy in Israel

Joel 2:32 Then, everyone who invokes the Name of the Lord will be saved.

This refers to the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then, I shall give to those people a pure language, that they may call upon the Name of the Lord and serve Him with one accord.
Not necessarily Hebrew. Note: that Ezekiel 16:63 says that Judah will be so humiliated and ashamed, they will not speak again.

Revelation 3:11 Those who are victorious shall be as pillars in the Temple forever, on them will be the Name of God, the name of new Jerusalem and My new Name.

Revelation 19:12b Written on Him was a Name known to none but Himself.

We will only know the true Name of God at the gathering of His Christian people into the Land, then later, at the Return of Jesus– His new Name and that of the city
Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged. logostelos.info
 

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Before making definitive decisions about the correct Name of our Creator, the language that we should speak

Why?
The spirit indewelling in us knows what we mean when we pray to 'God' ditto when we speak in english or what ever language we use.

Where does Jesus tell us to only address him by a set name in a set language?
 
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Why?
The spirit indewelling in us knows what we mean when we pray to 'God' ditto when we speak in english or what ever language we use.

Where does Jesus tell us to only address him by a set name in a set language?
Sure He does, God sees into the heart, prayer language is spiritual.

What I am pointing out, is a future time when every faithful Christian, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, will be gathered into all of the Holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21
John sees them all there in Revelation 7:9-14. So we will need to communicate and I believe God will give us all a new language, as Zephaniah 3:9 says.
 
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Which promptly removes the reason for your post in the first place.
No, it explains the reason for this thread.

What I am trying to get people to understand, is how all we Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, the Sixth Seal event.
 
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No, it explains the reason for this thread.

What I am trying to get people to understand, is how all we Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, the Sixth Seal event.

If God is gathering us and if God is giving us a new language then it will happen whether we have seen it in scriptureor haven't seen it in scripture.
 
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No, it explains the reason for this thread.

What I am trying to get people to understand, is how all we Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, the Sixth Seal event.
How is it you find this is scripture and no one else has? What scripture tells the Gentile church that they will all end up in the Holy Land? We are to be judges during the Millennial reign of Christ. Some Gentile believer may end up judging Timbuktu. Another some towns in Siberia. I want to see scripture.
 
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If God is gathering us and if God is giving us a new language then it will happen whether we have seen it in scriptureor haven't seen it in scripture.
Very perspicacious!
How is it you find this is scripture and no one else has? What scripture tells the Gentile church that they will all end up in the Holy Land? We are to be judges during the Millennial reign of Christ. Some Gentile believer may end up judging Timbuktu. Another some towns in Siberia. I want to see scripture.
The holy people of God, His faithful Christian people are seen in the holy Land by John in Revelation 7:9-14, soon after the Sixth Seal has cleared all the Land.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.
Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21 and Psalms 107 are good prophesies about our gathering and settling into the holy Land, where we will be the people God has never yet had; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 14:27 and His Light to the nations; Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

BTW, you are welcome to Timbuktu and Siberia! But that is for the Millennium, what scriptures say is that all the righteous people of God will come together in His Land, before that.
 
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Very perspicacious!

The holy people of God, His faithful Christian people are seen in the holy Land by John in Revelation 7:9-14, soon after the Sixth Seal has cleared all the Land.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.
Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21 and Psalms 107 are good prophesies about our gathering and settling into the holy Land, where we will be the people God has never yet had; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 14:27 and His Light to the nations; Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

BTW, you are welcome to Timbuktu and Siberia! But that is for the Millennium, what scriptures say is that all the righteous people of God will come together in His Land, before that.
Admit it! It is imagination! The great crowd is seen around the throne in heaven! That is NOT earth. It is your wild imagination creating doctrine out of fantasy.

More imagination: Daniel 7:25 only tells us the man of sin will have 3 1/2 years. Rev. 13:7 only tells us of the authority of the BEAST during the last half of the week.

From Ezekiel: "will bring them to their own land" WHOSE land is it? It is Israel's land, not Gentile land. It is your imagination, creating strange doctrine that few if any other people have even heard of, much less saw it themselves in scripture.

The truth then is this is a MADE UP doctrine will NO scriptural support. No wonder the church in general has never heard of this doctrine.
 
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No, it explains the reason for this thread.

What I am trying to get people to understand, is how all we Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, the Sixth Seal event.
I had heard 7 months was about how long it took to clean the debris and bodies from the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem.
I just can't seem to find where I read that. Anyone else know?

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written, .
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath upon this people.

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
“Brood of vipers!
Who warned you to be fleeing from the being about wrath to come?



Ezekiel 39:
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. 14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. 15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog. also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

17 And, thou son of adam!, thus saith Adonay Yahweh;
Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.


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Admit it! It is imagination! The great crowd is seen around the throne in heaven! That is NOT earth. It is your wild imagination creating doctrine out of fantasy.
Revelation chapter 7:1-14 is entirely about earthly things, as the first 3 verses prove. Thinking the vast multitude is in heaven, is just a dream of the 'rapture to heaven' believers.
I post again proof that a 'rapture to heaven' is a false doctrine;
The Bible does tell us about people going to live in heaven. There has been a few special cases; like Elijah and just before Jesus Returns, the two witnesses will be resurrected and taken to heaven.
But any prophecy of a general ‘rapture to heaven’ of the Church in the end times, cannot to be found in the Bible.

The prophecy of Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, is about the Return of Jesus, when He will gather those faithful Christians who remain alive then. Proved by Matthew 24:30-31 It will be a transportation from where they are on earth, to where Jesus is: in the clouds, then to Jerusalem. NOT a spiritual change for them as yet.

There is no scripture that says there will be a ‘rapture’, but there is plenty saying such a thing is impossible:

John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.

John 7:34 Where I go, you cannot come....

John 8:21-23 Your home is on earth......

John 17:15 I do not pray for You to take My followers out of the world, but keep them from the evil one.

Revelation 2:25-26 Hold fast to what you have until I Return. To those who are Victorious, to those who persevere in doing My will until the end, I will give them authority over the nations. Revelation 5:9-10


We will all be here to face the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath:

Luke 21:35....that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

Jeremiah 25:29...I am summoning a Sword against all the inhabitants of the earth.

1 Corinthians 1:7-8 There is no gift you lack, while you wait expectantly for Jesus to Return. He will keep you firm in your faith until the end...….

We Christians will be the people God always wanted in the holy Land:

Psalms 37:29 The righteous will possess the Land and will live there forever.

Zechariah 8:7-8 I am about to rescue My people and bring them back to Zion. They will be My people and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 34:11-16 I will search for My sheep from where they are scattered on the Day of cloud and disaster. They will settle in Israel and become prosperous.

Romans 9:24-26 We [Christians] are God’s people, called out of Jew and Gentile.

You were not My people, now I call you My people and the unloved; beloved. In the same place, [in the holy Land] where Israel was told; you are no longer My people, you will be called; the Sons of the Living God.

I know how the teaching of a ‘rapture’ has permeated the Church, For many, it is the only end times scenario they have heard, so for those Christians, it is very difficult to consider another outcome.
But serious thought must be given to the scriptures presented above and know that many pastors and Bible scholars dispute the validity of a ‘rapture.

Why want to go to heaven? We have an incredible destiny awaiting us here, where we belong.
 
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