The biggest theological confusion I have

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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, dying on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.

Don't take any notice of them my friend... Anyone who says they understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity doesn't understand the the mystery of the Holy Trinity, their God is too small.
 
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Catholics and Protestants actually agree on the Trinity. Lots of rank and file may be uneducated on the Trinity, but I'm talking about the official theological stance of denominations and churches being the same on this doctrine. If hundreds of Protestant denominations and Catholics all agree on something, it's important enough to pay attention to.

In terms of understanding and misunderstanding, the thing to remember is to allow yourself to grow. If you end up misunderstanding a theological point that turns out to be important, confess it and repent of it - God will forgive it.
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, dying on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.
There is an accuser, the adversary. Jesus is not that one. He is The Holy Spirit, who convicts us. Beliefs get in the way of the point of it all: that is to love God and love your neighbour.

If you don't perceive that Jesus Himself is convicting you, then look to see whether it is the judgementalism of the preacher. 1 Timothy can help you to understand what's going on:

"Now the goal of this command is love from of a pure heart and a clear conscience and a genuine faith. 6 Some, having missed the mark, have turned away to fruitless discussion— 7 wanting to be teachers of Torah, even though they do not understand what they keep saying or what they so dogmatically assert."
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.

Reality check:

You're just 3 mos in following the Savior, and you don't understand what centuries of mature, holy, and wise Christians have prayed over and broken their brains over the centuries.

Did you think you would have all knowledge of spiritual mysteries all at once?

Learn the ABCs of the Christian life first: Bible reading (start with the Gospels and stay there for at least a year from now), regular daily prayer, and being charitable to others FIRST.
 
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Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

That is enough.

Anyone who says they understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity doesn't understand the the mystery of the Holy Trinity, their God is too small.

Not really. A thing can't get any bigger than infinite, and the Trinity makes perfect sense in the light of infinity.

I do often wonder about people who make claims on the limits of other people's understanding. I can see stating limits to a particular method of understanding, but not of understanding, in general. It sounds too much like an assumption that because you don't understand it, then no one else can understand it, either.
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.

Just put the doctrine on the back burner for a sec.
The real issue is that they threaten torture on you for not believing their particular beliefs.
That is the "sign" or signal to stay away from those discussions.
 
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I had a similar problem when I was first Saved. All the conflicting voices were driving me crazy. I finally gave it to the Lord and served Him in faith, the best I knew at the time. In nine months I had my answer and it is resolved for me.

Jesus came to give life, not to take it. He said He is lowly and humble, and His burden is light. Man continually adds to His message, complicating it and making it burdensome. Stick with Jesus, and if you have any questions ask Him in faith, and let Him answer His way, His time. His answers are permanent.
 
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That is enough.



Not really. A thing can't get any bigger than infinite, and the Trinity makes perfect sense in the light of infinity.

I do often wonder about people who make claims on the limits of other people's understanding. I can see stating limits to a particular method of understanding, but not of understanding, in general. It sounds too much like an assumption that because you don't understand it, then no one else can understand it, either.

Are you suggesting that a human being can know all there is to know about God and the Trinity?

Because my point was that a human being cannot know all there is to know about God and the Trinity. My comment was not about anyones understanding per se it was about the understanding of the mystery that is the Triune God.

To paraphrase a quote from Herbert McCabe on Thomas Aquinas 'The more we talk about and try to understand God the more we point to the mystery.'
 
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Study the Bible and go to a good Bible teaching church, and maybe a good commentary to help you alone. That and the Holy Spirit is all you'll need and be patient, it takes a while to figure things out. As long as you stick to it, God will reveal things to you, just at the right pace and because you're a young Christian, God will not feed you more than you're capable of handling. He'll also protect you from those who might mislead you. These verses in John 1 lay it out for you, in simple English. Another name for Jesus is the Word. Also see 1 John 5:7.
John 1:1-14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God bless you.
 
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Interestingly the Trinity points us to the truth that we were made for relationships. However that truth is profound rather than simple. Ansel Adams was a famous landscape photographer replied to the criticism that there never any people in his photographs, that there were always two people in his photographs, the one behind the lens and the one looking at the image.
 
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To answer a part of your post, I've copied some information below that might be of help. If any of it is wrong or incorrect, it is my responsibility as these are my words. If you're interested in getting a quick reference guide to Mark and what we ought to believe, I'll copy and paste that info for you....it's compelling. Thanks for sharing your post, we learn and grow through helping others such as yourself.

I believe in you.

**Am I Really Saved? Am I an Honest, True, Enslaved Christian?**

Passages such as John 3:16 seem to indicate that all that one must do to be saved is to simply “believe” - nothing more and nothing less. Is this true, and what if this is wrong? As “Christians”, are we falling short in our beliefs? Merely believing or confessing a name is something that evil spirits openly did 3 times in Mark. Though evil spirits will not submit to Jesus, they fully know that Jesus is Emmanuel and they are NOT saved. As for us, when we become ready to submit and advance our beliefs of Jesus Christ, we MUST fully know the Good News of Jesus prior to making a permanent, life-long submission to Christ.

We must hear the Word! Acts 8:26-39 shows us that Philip needed time to teach the Eunuch (a man of status) the Good News of Christ as they traveled homeward to Gaza. The Eunuch likely had full awareness of the current commotion surrounding Jesus, yet he still needed to hear the full and complete Good News of Christ, ending in his affected desire for water baptism. How can we agree to a life of Christ if we do not know who He is or what His required expectations might be?

** Requirements For Eternal Life – Consider Them Carefully **

*Keep The Commandments - Matt 19:17, John 12:50 *Willing To Forsake Family For Devotion To Christ - Matt 19:29 *Live Righteously - Matt 25:46, Rom 2:7 *Hear/Listen/Believe The Good News Of Christ - Mark 16:8, John 5:24 *Love God With All Heart/Soul/Strength/Mind - Luke 10:25,26 *Obey Jesus’s Commands - John 3:36 *Turn From Sin/Do Good - John 5:29, Luke 13:24 *Deeply Know God - John 17:3,4 *Cannot Hate Brothers Or Sisters - 1 John 3:15 *Hatred For This Life In This World - John 12:25 *Become Slave To God - Rom 6:22 *Possess The Son - 1 John 5:12 *Salvation Is Through Christ Alone - John 10:7b,9, 14:6 17:3 *Live To Please The Spirit – Gal 6:8 *Crave For Christ As Though Food/Drink - John 6:51 *Must be born again to receive eternal life. John 1:12,13, John 3:3,5,7*

Those who do not obey are rejecting eternal life (John 3:36). Those who obey as outlined in 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8, the members of this church honored and accepted God’s precepts. But those who do not obey are rejecting Christ, and to those who reject Christ through disobedience: You are evil-doers and will be rejected by Christ Himself (Matt 7:23).

In order to be saved, one must hear, believe and put into sincere action the Good News of Jesus Christ. Recommended is the Gospel of Mark, as it is not only the shortest of the four Gospels, but it is the only one that begins with, “This is the Good News about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God.” If you agree with all that this book of Mark expects of you as a servant of Christ, you are at the point of full submission to Jesus.
 
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There is an accuser, the adversary. Jesus is not that one. He is The Holy Spirit, who convicts us. Beliefs get in the way of the point of it all: that is to love God and love your neighbour.

If you don't perceive that Jesus Himself is convicting you, then look to see whether it is the judgementalism of the preacher. 1 Timothy can help you to understand what's going on:

"Now the goal of this command is love from of a pure heart and a clear conscience and a genuine faith. 6 Some, having missed the mark, have turned away to fruitless discussion— 7 wanting to be teachers of Torah, even though they do not understand what they keep saying or what they so dogmatically assert."
Amen, too many forget the love and get hung up on doctrinal points. God is love, so right-on, the rest falls into place!
 
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Amen, too many forget the love and get hung up on doctrinal points. God is love, so right-on, the rest falls into place!
Hi there,

I'm not following and need some help. If we don't need to establish a belief system, how can we know if we're believing the right things? I always try to have a good answer for every question, to be prepared so as to "save some". Your thoughts? Humble thanks.
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.
Let us remove the fear. God is not going to hold you responsible for what you do not know or do not understand. Everything you need for salvation is in the Bible. Blessings
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really?

It's fundamental to Christianity. If you don't believe that Jesus is God, then you're not actually a Christian.

Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Who claims that?
 
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Amen, too many forget the love and get hung up on doctrinal points. God is love, so right-on, the rest falls into place!
It's interesting to notice that doctrine is a record of the truth that Christians have discovered. What I am getting at, is that the truth was knowable before it was formed as doctrine, and that is the natural way to form knowledge. To learn from doctrine is the opposite approach to knowledge.

The reason doctrine comes about, is that people draw conclusions and summarise other various teachings and thoughts, and there comes to be disagreement for one reason or another between the conclusions they might draw or what those conclusions should be.

Also, when people preach and others hear them teaching what they have found, it makes sense to them, but because it isn't a knowledge of the truth that they had found through discovery, it is a thin layer of knowledge that has no real root. They have only absorbed the depth of knowledge that they had been subjected to for the duration of the sermon. Then when it seems appropriate to them, they might begin repeating their knowledge of that teaching to another person, and because their knowledge isn't deep, there enters some degradation of the authenticity of the knowledge in the message where they have to make assumptions about how the original investigator had arrived at that conclusion .. and people begin making wrong assumptions in absence of supervision, and people start getting the wrong ideas.

So because the knowledge degrades that way and quickly a community could become chaotic, it becomes necessary to establish precise words that are intended to produce uniformity of knowledge.

Even though the people agree to the words of the doctrine (because to not agree is more-or-less heretical), it doesn't guarantee that they have understood the real knowledge that the doctrine represents. In other words, they are only parroting doctrine for the sake of belonging. Not every person has the tenacity (and bravery), to step forward and say "you know, it's a bit embarrassing to say, but all this time while I have been here, I haven't really understood this bit .. and there's this scripture that I've read that doesn't seem to fit and it's niggling at me". It's sad but it happens.

And then they go on to be preachers and pastors without addressing the shortfall in their knowledge, and then they're trapped by their pride .. because nobody expects that a pastor should be asking their congregation to teach them! .. but their empty belief is still there and nobody is calling them out on it, and they are ignoring every time that The Holy Spirit's conviction comes against them for speaking empty words.. and they pretend that they know what they're talking about and that nobody can see through them (which, of course, if the congregation has elevated that one in their eyes, which is favouritism, then they have chosen blindness over discernment - yielding their authority to let him speak without question). .. But visitors come along and they are hearing things that they don't understand, and the preacher himself is not explaining it from a place of genuine knowledge, so it just doesn't hit home and they don't really get drawn in by the powerful word of truth.

It's sad, but it's a big part of the current problems we have in the churches.

Now, with all that having been said, and I feel to mention for OP's sake that Trinity doctrine is a knowledge that needs to be discovered .. there are no words that can make it sink in and become genuine knowledge without your mind going through a series of comprehensions and EXPERIENCING HIM, to really know The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit - three persons, all being God.

.. For Thess, I see what you wrote, and I am not sure what I can say about that, because I've largely forgotten what it was like to be confused about the truth all those years ago. But at the time that The Lord was drawing me back to faith, I remember that all the ideas I had about Christianity were a jumbled up chaos, that just seemed ridiculous, and I was a mocker of what I thought Christianity was. But then when I realised that I had a gap in my knowledge and I couldn't figure it out, I remember waking up that morning and crying to God "show me the truth!" .. and so that's what He did. As soon as I yielded my mind to Him, to consider that maybe the bible is true, and He spoke to me through a scripture that the Christians online gave to me, all those jumbled ideas suddenly fell into place and it all made perfect sense!

I was freaked out by the realisation of how wrong I had been, and I didn't know what to do about it, but the thing that is amazing is that it didn't take any time at all, not even a split second for it all to make sense - it happened instantly the moment I read that scripture that they had given me. So this is a good example of the difference between spirit and information in our knowledge.. where there was a sudden change of spirit the moment that I chose to accept The Word of God and receive what He wanted to say to me. Although, the information I had about the faith was still to grow (and I have since that time been led to question a lot of the doctrines that I had heard and believed through my childhood in the church) .. I have found through that too, that the state of sanctification (God's grace/salvation as in Hebrews 10:14), it doesn't rely upon the accuracy of our doctrine, but upon our disposition toward the truth. God begins to lead us from the place wherever we are when we come to Him, and if we will follow Him, then that is enough for His spirit to reside in us, and we are innocent, without blame in His sight, even if we are still finding out day by day that we need to grow and change and learn and repent.

The problem that cuts people off from that state of grace, and they become dis-graceful Christians, is sort of what I explained in this post, where they cannot come forward at The Holy Spirit's prompting and question those things they had always taken for granted. Whether it is pride or fear, or other temptations whatever it is that keeps them in that place of self-denial, it is the thorns of the parable in Matthew 13. What has happened is that they have not followed Him to where He is leading them (John 8:31-32, 2 Thessalonians 2:12). They have chosen to walk in the darkness, pretending that nobody can see through them, instead of walking in the light .. and as a necessary consequence, they also need to deceive themselves in order to think that God doesn't see their dishonesty, in that way becoming one who says in his heart "there is no God".

One of the greatest stumbling blocks for that, is when a person of low esteem (eg: a child) brings a word of conviction against one of greater rank (eg: a parent), and it happens to be uncomfortable for that one to accept the conviction as well as there being an opportunity for that one to dominate the messenger. In that way, they are getting cut off from the true vine of John 15, but it doesn't naturally occur to them that it has happened, because they have chosen to walk in the darkness, and those in the congregation who are carnal and not spiritual, they don't perceive the change, so they are all taken captive (see Jeremiah 13:17). .. and it doesn't even need to be so exemplified as that, but you can quickly find examples of Christians of similar rank competing with each other as James 4:1 and 1 Corinthians 3:3-4 show .. it is their flesh. They are unspiritual and they need someone to breathe the spirit of God back into them (which is especially challenging if they happen to be the king of the castle!).
 
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I am still a baby in Christ I would consider, its been 3 months since I came to Christ.

The Trinity makes sense to me. But looking more into what others are teaching is what causes confusion and then add fear to the fire when they claim if you don't believe in their certain theological position regarding Father, Son, Holy Spirit to expect hell.

How crucial is this doctrine really? I believe its important, but to the point, even your salvation depends on it? No.

I don't know who is right on this matter. The Trinity has been around for centuries.

What is ok to misunderstand and what is not ok to misunderstand?
Here is another one that got into my confusion, some claim if you say Jesus is Lord you are not saved, Only when you must confess that Jesus is THE Lord. They forgot the "THE" they claim.

Jesus Christ is the Lord, died on the cross for my sins, his burial and resurrection is the centerpiece of my life. This is ALL I know and believe with certainty.

The rest of the stuff is confusing with all the debate. Religion is confusing in general.
Trinity is inferred from scripture. For example you take the diety of Christ

Hebrews 1:10 He also says (about Jesus), "In the beginning, O LORD, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands."

Which comes from
Psalm 102:24,25 "So I said: "Do not take me away, O my God, in the midst of my days; your years go on through all generations. In the beginning, O LORD, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands"

To say Jesus is the Lord is to say he is the Lord God. That's proven by the quotes NT writers take from the OT concerning Jesus.

Even the Romans 10 verse can show that:

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is LORD," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:12,13 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same LORD is LORD of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

Which comes from:
Joel 2:27-32 Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am the LORD your God, and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed. 'And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people ... And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

So, yes Rom 10 indicates it's necessary to believe the Jesus is the LORD your God to be saved.

OTher such evidences along these lines you can see on my article on subject.

Jesus' Deity
 
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