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Was the original Catholic Church created by power hungry zealots?
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Really? What about Acts 1:20? “For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.” That's in the KJV, the which there is no wicher.
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Arrested! Count on it!
Acts 4:1-7
And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.
2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
5 And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes,
6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
If they laid hands on the Apostles, is this not arrest? I can come up with other examples!
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The Holy Spirit would guide them in speach. Whenever they had to preach God's word.
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I thought it was actually Paul?
Triablogue: 51 Biblical Proofs Of A Pauline Papacy And Ephesian Primacy
Ok it was tongue in cheek but truly revealing.
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Don’t see any prayers to departed in your references. One is actually the Our Father. What point were you making?
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Thats not what it says, it says the prayers of the 'holy ones' often translated saints. Job os asked by one of his friends, to which of the saints (lit. holy ones) will you call for help (Job 5:1). Job did something in this discussion that neither of his friends did, he prayed. The entire 6th chapter Job is talking to and about his friends. Then in the seventh chapter he starts direction his ststements not to the saints but to God. "Remember Oh God my life is but breath" (Job 7:7).
The practice of apoealing to the venerated departed goes back a long way. The pagan version of holloween claimed on that night the veil between the worlds was thinner. Job doesn't cry out to one of the saints or an ancestor, he makes his appeal to God himself. Thats the Biblical pattern, invoking the spirits of the departed isn't an Old Testament or New Testament practice. Saul did and sure enough Samuel shows up, but he had to go to a witch to do it.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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I know It's true. Therefor, as one of my Good Shepherd's sheep, when I pass from this life I'll not perish, (John 8:51) nor will death snatch me out of His mighty hand, not being able to separate me from His Love, or the Love of our Father, then I'll pray for those still on earth, that they may come to be in the presence of God as I am, just as all of those other sheep of His who have departed this life continually pray for us, even without our asking, let alone when we do indeed ask. Our God Loves us to pray for others, and for one another, even for our enemies. We'll not cease to do this when we're with Him.
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I don't know what's so funny, that's literally what Jesus is talking about. If your arrested don't vworry about what your going to say, it will be given to you that hour what you will say. Of course that assumes your being persecuted for preaching the gospel. If your picked up for shoplifting I don't think that verse applies.
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This is your earthly mother and earthly father. It is part of the Mosaic law.
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It's just ironic that people who follow denominations created 1500 years after the Resurrection claim intercession of Saints is ahistorical, especially the Calvinist ones whose only Church Father is Augustine.
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Even Cardinal Newman admits to religious syncretism:Emperor Constantine created Catholicism, a false version of Christianity by mixing paganism and its elements with Christian doctrine which ultimately resulted in anti-Biblical teachings. For example, praying to multitudes of saints that specialize in different things like art, medicine, or health, much like the Roman pantheon of deities, as well as their practice of building graven images, including statues, and bowing and praying to the people the statues represented, just like the Greeks did with their God’s.
Pure idolatry and ancient paganism. Outrageous.
"We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}
Greeks dedicate images to devils, and call them gods; but we to True God Incarnate, and to God's servants and friends, who drive away the troops of devils." [Note 18] Again, "As the holy Fathers overthrew the temples and shrines of the devils, and raised in their places shrines in the {377} names of Saints and we worship them, so also they overthrew the images of the devils, and in their stead raised images of Christ, and God's Mother, and the Saints. And under the Old Covenant, Israel neither raised temples in the name of men, nor was memory of man made a festival; for, as yet, man's nature was under a curse, and death was condemnation, and therefore was lamented, and a corpse was reckoned unclean and he who touched it; but now that the Godhead has been combined with our nature, as some life-giving and saving medicine, our nature has been glorified and is trans-elemented into incorruption. Wherefore the death of Saints is made a feast, and temples are raised to them, and Images are painted ... (John Henry Newman [made a cardinal by Pope Leo III in 1879]; Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power, Chapter 8; Newman Reader - Development of Christian Doctrine - Chapter 8)
Greeks dedicate images to devils, and call them gods; but we to True God Incarnate, and to God's servants and friends, who drive away the troops of devils." [Note 18] Again, "As the holy Fathers overthrew the temples and shrines of the devils, and raised in their places shrines in the {377} names of Saints and we worship them, so also they overthrew the images of the devils, and in their stead raised images of Christ, and God's Mother, and the Saints. And under the Old Covenant, Israel neither raised temples in the name of men, nor was memory of man made a festival; for, as yet, man's nature was under a curse, and death was condemnation, and therefore was lamented, and a corpse was reckoned unclean and he who touched it; but now that the Godhead has been combined with our nature, as some life-giving and saving medicine, our nature has been glorified and is trans-elemented into incorruption. Wherefore the death of Saints is made a feast, and temples are raised to them, and Images are painted ... (John Henry Newman [made a cardinal by Pope Leo III in 1879]; Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power, Chapter 8; Newman Reader - Development of Christian Doctrine - Chapter 8)
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In what manner? You don't believe the actual New Testament was written in the time of the Apostles?
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