John tells us when the temple opens, and what he sees at each viewing of it. When he first sees it open, he does not get to view the most holy place in it. He therefore did not see the ark of the covenant.
All through the time of Israel and the holy sanctuary, men are outside of the temple during the time of incense. Luke 1 also keeps that same pattern.
Rev. 7 -is a later viewing of the temple, again showing that Revelation is not in order as to how John saw the various visions.
Prove this with scripture. I cannot see HOW you come to this conclusion.
Rev. 8 - has what?
incense
So, the Rev. 7 multitude would have to go back outside if this was to really occur after the time they were seen in Rev. 7.
What on earth does incense have to do with going back outside? You amaze me with these nonsensical things. Revelation 7 is NOT RELATED to Rev. 8 except that the sealing must be accomplished and the church seen in heaven before the 7th seal is opened that will start the 70th week. Yes, the great crowd is seen inside the throne room. So what? Whoever said the great crowd would have to leave when the incense was added to the prayers? And SO WHAT if they left. There is a LOT of heaven to see. Perhaps after they were seen in the throne room, then we to see their palaces. So What? Why are you SO concerned with such minutia? These things have NOTHING to do with John's chronology, no matter what you think. You amaze me.
Rev. 15 ends with a comment as to showing that no man can enter till a certain thing happens.
Revelation 15 is days or weeks after the midpoint of the week. It is over 3 1/2 years after the 7th seal started the week. People have been allowed INSIDE the throne room up until that time. Remember the mom that washed her kitchen floor, and told the family they could not enter until the floor dried? This statement of hers has NOTHING to do with the hours, days, weeks before she mopped the floor. All the family had full access to the kitchen UNTIL she said that. But SO WHAT if everyone in the throne room must leave for a short period of time? this does NOT affect John's chronology.
That thing is the seven plagues of the seven angels. It is not the time of the vials full that must end first.
WRONG! how EVER did you get this idea? Since John does not separate the plagues with the vial, why on earth would you? Since John does not tell us, "when Plague #1 came...." No, John tells us when each BOWL was poured out. It is just common sense then that each bowl has an associated plague. When bowl one is poured out, plague one goes with it. The bowls are God's wrath that goes with the associated plague. But John numbered the bowls, not the plagues. For example, when John wrote of the 7th bowl poured out, he also wrote of the plague of hail that came with that 7th bowl.
Step back into Rev. 15 as it began...John is now for the first time in all of Revelation seeing a set of - seven angels.
15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues
Revelation 8:2
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Revelation 8:6
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
It is NOT the first time John saw seven angels together. But SO WHAT? Angels are only a side line to the main narration of Revelation.
A new vision will begin later in this chapter.
How do you know it is a new vision? John did not write, "after these things" or any other transitional phrase.
It will go back in time to show how the seven angels came out of the temple carrying seven plagues.
How do you know it is BACK in time. I say it is FORWARD in time. John first saw these seven angels IN THE THRONE ROOM inside the temple. Now he sees them leave the temple.
Those plagues are the trumpets ones.
UTTER nonsense. Just your imagination. We don't know yet WHAT plagues because no vials have yet been poured out releasing these plagues. Turn over to chapter 16 to see the plagues.
They are the ones that must end before men can enter into the temple.
Just nonsense. Your imagination working overtime. NO ONE is going to enter the temple until after the 7th vial is poured out in chapter 16.
John was not told something at the end of Rev. 15. He did not say that he heard....
"no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."
We don't know if John heard that or read it or just suddenly KNEW it. Anyway, it makes no difference to John's chronology.
John is seeing the times of the seven plagues happens, and lets us know that no man could enter until those plagues end first.
Finally, something I can agree with.
seven angels....the seven angels....a new vision begins...
Or the same vision continuing. I see no reason to claim a new vision.
the seen angels leave the temple in heaven -dressed in linen - They are wearing the attire to come to earth and seal the 144.000. You have gone off the deep end! How on earth do you jump from the end of the 70th week - the vials - to the sealing that took place 7 years previous? Do you know what TIME is? Do you have a clock and a calendar? They are about TIME and how it moves on no matter what. Do you imagine certain angels wear only linen and other angels NEVER wear linen? Do you imagine they never change clothes? You need to pay FAR more attention to John's narrative outside of the angels and pay attention to chronology! Do you have any concept of WHERE in Revelation the 70th week starts or ends? Of course not, because you imagine John mixed it all up so you could spend your life unraveling it. STOP! It is already in perfect order! You are wasting your time on what angels are wearing what? You are stuck in minor things and so get ALL the major things wrong.
Why not concentrate on TIMING for a while. Learn where the 7th week starts and finishes, and where the midpoint is. Learn how the book gets opened.
They carry plagues with them and have pockets.
NONSENSE.
They will deliver these 7 plagues to the set of four angels in Rev. 7.
to whom it was given to hurt earth, seas, trees
Incredible NONSENSE.
trees harmed -first trumpet plague
You have quit making any sense at all. Anyone can up with theories like yours: write very verse on a paper, and put each paper verse in a big barrel. They draw out a paper and declare that even comes FIRST. Then draw out another and declare that event comes SECOND. I actually believe such a method might be closer to the truth than yours.
Rev. 8 also shows by the use of incense that men are outside of the temple still...Israel will be punished...corrected under the time of the wrath of the dragon, and it shows how long that time will last.
till --earthquake
Just as does the end of Rev. 11 shows how long the vials will last-till - great hail.
God pronounces the plagues and how they will end before they ever start.
I will punish you ....
God has been provoked by Israel doing....
But God's wrath is for His enemies.
They will run and hide from His face.
Daniel 11 tells that the vile person/king of the north that speaks great things will prosper till the indignation be accomplished.
Daniel 9:27 has - till the consummation - that determined
God will see that the power of Israel is scattered..gone...and He will repent of further punishment on them. John sealed up what the seven thunders uttered, and time shall be no longer - to punish Israel.
The 7th trumpet will sound, which ends the mystery of God.
This mystery will end in the manner prophesied by the prophets.
They foretold that it will end early. God will repent of some of the evil that was to come upon His people. not upon the wickeds of the whole earth - He will have no mercy during the time He uses His avenging on them.
