Slain in the Spirit / Knocked out by the Spirit

Does the Holy Spirit knock people to the ground?

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Seeing as there is no scriptural justification for this activity, the church will inevitably be divided. Yet according to scripture division is exactly what God seeks to avoid, so it is hard to believe that He would now introduce such a divisive manifestation without Scripture to clearly support it.

Well - the church as been divided for centuries so there is nothing new in that.

The main problem I see is accountability. We should all be accountable to God and use the bible as a guideline but clearly we have different views in interpreting what the word says. The Charismatic movement doesn't seem to have a governing body and therefore very little in restraint should it go astray. One the one hand it is free to grow into maturity ( that's the best word I can think of at the moment ) and on the other it really could descend into who knows what?

Here's a word for all of us

Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household, to give the others their food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that servant whose master returns and finds him doing his job. 47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.…
 
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I voted yes despite some of my arguments against it
The OP question was a little too black and white and I would have liked to see more options in there.

Do I think all falling down is for real. Then No


Does the church do this frequently? If yes - Then I would say the church is leaning in the wrong direction

Fire Tunnels and over strange manifestations such as shaking, twitching, etc are highly debatable and really shouldn't be associated with this question. There's a whole lot of strange teachings come from such congregations as well.

God is overwhelming - he hid Moses in the Cleft of a Rock to protect him as he couldn't handle a full Revelation of God.

PS - I have never been Slain in the Spirit
 
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A lot of touchy touchy feely feely things going on in some Churches today ( man always wanting some kind of a sign and wonder). One should remember that the Bible does not teach us that it's all about our feelings it is about what a man thinks.

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Here are some notes on the Holy Spirit:

The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit

Quick facts:

- Called the Comforter or Helper (“Paraklete” in Greek) – Jn. 14:16; the Spirit of Christ – Ro. 8:9; the Spirit of Grace – He. 10:29; Spirit of the Lord – 2 Cor. 3:17, 18.

- The third Person of the Trinity. (Matt. 28:19; Ac. 5:3, 4; 1 Cor. 2:10, 11)

- He is not a force, or divine spiritual energy, but a distinct personal entity who may be grieved (Eph. 4:30), who teaches and reminds (John 14:26; 1 Cor. 2:13), who speaks (Ac. 8:29; 13:2), who makes decisions (Ac. 15:28), who can be lied to (Ac. 5:3, 4), who has a mind (Ro. 8:26, 27), and so on.

Common Questions:

1.) What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian?

- He imparts spiritual life by dwelling within every believer. (Jn. 7:39; Ac. 2:3, 4; Ro. 8:8-11; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Tit. 3:5, 6)
- He convicts of sin. (Jn. 16:8)
- He illuminates our minds to God's truth. (Lu. 12:12; Jn. 14:26; 16:13)
- He comforts and helps. (Jn. 14:16)
- He enables the believer's obedience. (Ac. 4:7, 8; Ro. 8:13; 15:13, 19; Phil. 2:13)
- He produces in the believer the character of Christ. (Ga. 5:22, 23)
- He is the “down payment” or “guarantee” of a believer's future spiritual and eternal inheritance. (Eph. 1:13, 14)

2.) Is the Holy Spirit ever physically violent in his interactions with believers? Should a believer expect or desire to be “slain in the Spirit”?

No. There is no instance in the entire New Testament, nor is there any teaching in it, that supports the idea that the Holy Spirit in manifestation of himself will act upon anyone with physical violence. Instead, we are told by the apostle Paul that peace and gentleness are fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit. (Ga. 5:22) Even in the instance with lying Ananias and his wife Sapphira, the Holy Spirit does not throw the two around, or convulse them, or make them scream in agony. They simply drop to the ground dead. (Ac. 5:1-11)

Not once in all of the New Testament is anyone “slain in the Spirit.” What's more, not one writer of the New Testament ever uses the phrase or implies such an idea in his writing. Ecstatic prostration accompanied by convulsions, and/or incoherent babbling, and/or manic laughing or crying have no biblical parallel except in instances of demonic possession! (Mk. 9:17-27; Lu. 8:26-36)

3.) Should all believers prove that the Spirit is in them by speaking in tongues and performing miraculous healings?

No. Scripture doesn't even hint at such a test. Instead, those things we are told in the New Testament to expect as signs of the Spirit indwelling the believer are things like holiness (Jn. 16:8), the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, etc. - Ga. 5:22, 23), changed thinking (Eph. 4:23, 24), and transformed desires (Phil. 2:13).

4.) What is the “baptism of the Spirit”?

The answer to this question has become increasingly confused in recent times by the erroneous teaching of two baptisms of the Spirit: One to save a person and another to supernaturally empower them. Does the Bible teach two baptisms of the Spirit? No, it doesn't. The phrase “baptism of the Spirit” refers to one's conversion, to the moment when one is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and thus “made alive” unto God spiritually. Nowhere does the Bible teach a second baptism of the Spirit after one's conversion. In fact, the phrase “baptism of the Spirit” itself does not actually appear in the Bible. The following verses are pertinent to this matter:

Galatians 3:27
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


The lost person is saved by being “baptized into Christ” and made a “new creature” (2 Cor. 5:17) in him. How is one “baptized into Christ”? Paul the apostle explains:

Titus 3:5
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,


The Holy Spirit “washes, regenerates and renews” the lost person, by coming to dwell within him or her (Jn. 14:17; Ro. 8:9). Called the “Spirit of Christ” (Ro. 8:9), the Holy Spirit's presence within a person infuses them with spiritual life, the life of Christ himself, and in this sense the newly born-again person has “put on Christ,” or been “baptized” into him. It is by the Holy Spirit that the lost person, dead in trespasses and sins, is “quickened” or made alive spiritually unto God.

Ephesians 2:1
1 And you
He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Romans 8:10-11
10 And if Christ
is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


Is there any teaching in Scripture that directs us to expect and seek after a second baptism of the Spirit in order to be specially empowered by God for the performance of supernatural acts?

No. The very first baptism of the Spirit happened at Pentecost, described in Acts 2:1-4. It was at this time that the first born-again believers came to be and the prophecy of John the Baptist was fulfilled:

Matthew 3:11
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


The immediate result of the Spirit indwelling (baptizing) those in the upper room was evangelism. The newly-indwelt disciples began to preach the Gospel in the street, heard by those listening in their own mother tongues (not some unintelligible “spirit language” - Acts 2:7-11) Unfortunately, some have focused on the ability of the first Spirit-indwelt believers to be heard in various tongues and have made speaking in tongues a litmus test for being saved and supernaturally-empowered by God. The tongues in which these first Christians spoke, however, were manifested in order that they might share the Gospel, not prove they were saved or possessed of supernatural power.

Three times in the book of Acts, the Spirit comes upon people (Acts 2:1-4; 10:44-48; 19:1-6), baptizing them spiritually (Ro. 6:1-5) making them “new creatures in Christ.” By this overt supernatural means the Christian Church began. Only in Acts, however, do we read of the Spirit coming upon groups of people this way. What's more, there is no teaching in the New Testament by any of the apostles that a Pentecost-like event should be expected to occur commonly, or that there should be multiple baptisms into the Spirit. Perhaps what is most significant, however, is that there is no recorded instance in the New Testament of anyone being baptized into the Spirit more than once. The apostles are repeatedly filled by the Spirit but this is not the same as being baptized into the Spirit which is to be born-again spiritually.

What does it mean to be “filled with the Spirit”?

When a believer is “quickened,” or made alive spiritually for the first time, the Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence (He. 13:5) inside that believer; the believer becomes a “temple” of the Spirit of God. (1 Cor. 6:19, 20) But although the Spirit lives inside the born-again believer, he may not have full control of that believer. So long as this is the case, the believer will not be able to manifest the Spirit's character, wisdom, holiness and power in full degree in his life.

Romans 8:5-6
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those
who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded
is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


The apostle Paul distinguishes between being indwelt by the Spirit and being controlled by him as the the difference between “living by” the Spirit and “walking by” him.

Galatians 5:25
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.


Every born-again believer “lives by the Spirit,” that is, they have spiritual life by virtue of the Spirit being within them. But not every believer is “walking by the Spirit.” They are not living in obedience to the Spirit's will and way, moment-by-moment, throughout each day; they are not resting in his transforming power, patiently trusting him to make them more and more like Christ.

Paul goes further in his letter to the Christians at Rome and explains that being under the control of (“led by”) the Spirit is a mark of being a true child of God:

Romans 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


When a believer is controlled by the Holy Spirit, when he is spiritually-minded rather than controlled by the impulses of his flesh, the life and power of the Spirit flows without hindrance in him, filling, transforming and equipping him for service to God. This is what it means to be “filled with the Spirit.” As often as a believer steps out of the flow of the Spirit's power by disobedience and self-will, he must turn again to God, submit himself to the Spirit's control, and be filled once more. So it is that a believer may be filled by the Spirit many times throughout his life.

Blaspheming the Spirit.

In a growing section of the evangelical Christian community, the pursuit of a sensual experience of God has led to a kind of blasphemy against the Spirit. In an effort to “experience God,” many believers today are chasing after tingles, warm sensations, and electrical pulses that run over and through them. They cheer at fog (aka “glory clouds”) coming out of air vents, and gasp at gold dust and feathers falling from above. “This is the Spirit of God!” they say. But when they are pressed to explain how they know this, the answer is ultimately “I just know! And if you knew the Spirit like I do, you would, too!” Thus, without good grounds, believers assign to the Holy Spirit experiences and actions to which they cannot adequately connect him. It may well be that he is not involved at all in the things they are feeling and experiencing and so to say that he is amounts to lying about the Spirit which is tantamount to blasphemy.

The apostle James warned of the “wisdom that is not from above” (Ja. 3:15), describing it, among other things, as “sensual,” that is, oriented on what appeals to our physical senses and our emotions. We are fundamentally sensual creatures, interacting with reality in large part through our physical senses. When we are confronted with interacting with God, who is a Spirit and not accessible to our senses like the material reality in which we constantly move, we may begin to try to force an experience of Him that conforms to our natural sensuality. But when we do this, we corrupt and diminish the spiritual nature of our fellowship with God and open ourselves to demonic deception. So it is we are commanded in Scripture:

John 4:23-24
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 God
is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

In the record of Scripture, when God “showed up” He did not resort to fog, feathers and gold dust; He did not confine Himself to trivial things like giving people shivers, and tingles, and warm oozies; He did not make them laugh like maniacs, or writhe about in ecstatic prostration. No, when God manifested Himself, He empowered one man to kill a thousand with the jaw-bone of an ass, the wicked were swallowed alive by the earth, cities were destroyed by heavenly fire, seas were parted, mountain tops were clouded in thunder and lightning, and the dead were raised to life! How is it, then, that the expectations of modern believers of God have grown so small? How is it that so many have settled for a momentary shiver instead of fire from heaven? How is that believers enthuse over gold dust from air vents instead of the conviction of the Holy Spirit driving them to their knees in deep and full confession of, and repentance from, their sins? How is it that when a person claims God is manifesting Himself in these trivial ways, so many are eager to believe it without skepticism? This is where a sensual pursuit of God leads people: Grasping for anything that might provide a sensual experience of God, however silly and trite.

Matthew 12:38-39
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
39 But He (Jesus) answered and said to them, "
An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.



Satan is the Great Counterfeiter. At every turn he is looking to deceive believers with false facsimiles of God's truth, presence and power. He comes to us as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14), offering us half or twisted truths, and/or outright lies made to look like “good sense.” If we aren't “sober and vigilant,” as Scripture warns us to be (1 Pe. 5:8), we will soon fall prey to his deceptions. So, it is that we must have more than “I just know!” as a basis for our claims that the Spirit is at work. If we say, “These shivers are the Holy Spirit!” we must be able to prove it; if we say, “This healing is by the Spirit's will and power!” we must be able to show that it really is; if we say, “This vision is from the Spirit!” we had better be able to fully justify our claim. When believers get in the habit of making unfounded, unproved and unprovable claims about the work of the Spirit, they run the very great risk of falling under false beliefs and the destructive manipulations of the devil.

We would not accept “I just know” from an atheist or Hindu making a case for their beliefs; we would scoff at the man who said, “Zeus exists because I just know He does!” We ought to show the same skepticism toward any believer who makes a claim about the Holy Spirit that cannot be properly justified from Scripture and proved to be true by standard rules of evidence. If someone claims the Holy Spirit gave sight to a blind person, produce the once-blind person for examination and verification of the claim; if someone claims to have healed a person's bad back, let them show there really was a genuine back problem to begin with and that true healing of it has actually occurred; if a person claims the Spirit raised someone from the dead, such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence in its support. If believers don't insist on solid justification for claims made concerning the Holy Spirit, they will soon become guilty of blaspheming him.
 
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The main problem I see is accountability. We should all be accountable to God and use the bible as a guideline but clearly we have different views in interpreting what the word says.
Accountable to God, yes!
The Charismatic movement doesn't seem to have a governing body and therefore very little in restraint should it go astray. One the one hand it is free to grow into maturity ( that's the best word I can think of at the moment ) and on the other it really could descend into who knows what?
Accountable to man, never!
You forget that the various governing bodies of the church taught that the gifts and manifestation of the Holy Spirit had ceased with the deaths of the apostles. Anyone manifesting the slightest whiff of the Holy Spirit was usually burned at the stake by your governing bodies.
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Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household, to give the others their food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that servant whose master returns and finds him doing his job. 47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.…
The rest of your scripture quote is far more apt for the majority of your governing bodies!

Matt24v48“But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ 49and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus reserved the best of his wrath for the so called governing bodies of his day. Not much has changed since that time.
 
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Accountable to God, yes!

Well - I've got to admit I've been wrong on several occasions and The Lord as corrected me. In some cases I was a little hard of hearing and that process took some time. So yes.



Accountable to man, never!
You forget that the various governing bodies of the church taught that the gifts and manifestation of the Holy Spirit had ceased with the deaths of the apostles. Anyone manifesting the slightest whiff of the Holy Spirit was usually burned at the stake by your governing bodies.

Even this forum has its code of conduct and we have the Mods who enforce it to some degree. I sure if there was no code of conduct and no mods then we would all follow our scriptural instructions to be respectful to each other and gently correct each other, not get into foolish arguments and debates, and know when to walk away or turn the other cheek?
 
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Some people claim when they receive the Spirit, it knocks them to the ground. Usually backwards.

Others say they receive an overwhelming peace.

In my parents church(Pentecostal), I've witnessed some odd accounts.

One teen boy said he felt paralyzed.
During heated prayers, a young girl starts screaming in tongues. Or some incomprehensible cluster of noises.
The pastor seems to speak more in tongues, then in his own language. When he leads prayer, within 3 seconds he's speaking in tongues. (There's no translator).

None of these seem scriptural. But I don't want to judge like the Pharisees, in the event I unknowingly blaspheme the Spirit.

He can if He chooses to.

I have experienced the overwhelming presence of God. I had decided that I would no longer believe and I actively pushed God away. I was walking through a hallway when I was overwhelmed by His presence. There are no good words to describe it; it was not a mere emotional effect, but a spiritual and physical one. I nearly fell to my knees but managed to hold myself up. This was several years ago, and I haven't experienced anything quite like it since.

These things do happen and we see them in scripture; they are good and beautiful gifts. But the mistake many make is when they begin to think that we must have these experiences in order to know and love God truly. People chase after the feelings and emotions, making them their god rather than obeying the True God. They want to recreate the emotional high that God's presence can bring, but it is only a poor imitation. Instead of craving God they crave the emotions He sometimes gives us, a system in which God is only a means to an end rather than the end Himself. This is one of the most fragile kinds of Christianity, because when there comes a time in your life when you can't access those emotions, you can become angry at God and think He has abandoned you when He has not.

Feelings are fickle things; they can change at each passing wind. God is eternal and constant, and he roots us rather than constantly pushing us around. Sometimes he allows our roots to dig deeper and access the great abundance of His mystery, which is a beautiful gift. But there are many times in our lives when we will not have these feelings but are expected to do what's right anyway.
 
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None of the bible verses quoted so far in this thread come anywhere near to justifying what occurs today. None of those examples show any evidence that the Holy Spirit caused believers to lose control of themselves.
Plenty of scriptures have already been presented showing people falling down as the Holy Spirit comes on them.
And absolutely none involved another person touching them.
Its a spurious argument that some lay hands on them, or some over eager ministers push them, given that others fall over when some merely pray over them.
Voluntarily falling down prostrate in fear before the Lord in his glory, as Paul and John did, is not the same as being 'zapped' by a touch from a charismatic minister.
You are adding your own negative gloss to the scriptures, which do not say Paul and John voluntarily prostrated them selves.
Acts9v3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Rev1v17And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not. I am the First and the Last,
Seeing as there is no scriptural justification for this activity, the church will inevitably be divided. Yet according to scripture division is exactly what God seeks to avoid, so it is hard to believe that He would now introduce such a divisive manifestation without Scripture to clearly support it.
There is clear scriptural evidence, and if the church is divided it is because people like you throughout history have consistently resisted the Holy Spirit.
Many people have even been injured in these antics.
Many people? How many? Thousands, millions? Using scare tactics like this is just pathetic.
I suspect that far more get injured in church by slipping on wet floors or raggy rugs.
Churches have been sued and ordered to pay compensation. How could it ever be the will of God that a believer can possibly be hurt in a worship service as a result of His activity?
The fact that fallen men do stupid things in church has no bearing whatsoever on someone being filled with the Holy Spirit.
 
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Plenty of scriptures have already been presented showing people falling down as the Holy Spirit comes on them.

And none of those quoted verses come close to matching the charismatic practice of being 'slain in the Spirit'.

Its a spurious argument that some lay hands on them, or some over eager ministers push them, given that others fall over when some merely pray over them.

99% of the cases I have seen there is always some kind of a touch by a minister involved. Yet none of the verses quoted here involve any touching.

You are adding your own negative gloss to the scriptures, which do not say Paul and John voluntarily prostrated them selves.
Acts9v3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Rev1v17And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not. I am the First and the Last,

Now carry on reading those passages. What happened immediately after Paul and John fell to the floor? Were they involuntarily incapacited and lay there unconscious for a while? No, they were both fully conscious and aware of their surroundings. They immediately heard God speaking to them and recorded the words spoken, and in Paul's case even had a conversation with the Lord. Clearly these are not examples of being 'slain in the Spirit". Nobody touched them and they didn't fall to the ground unconscious. When they fell to the ground it can only have been voluntarily in reverence and fear. Wouldn't you do the same if heaven opened up before you and you saw the Lord in his glory?


There is clear scriptural evidence, and if the church is divided it is because people like you throughout history have consistently resisted the Holy Spirit.

There can be little doubt that the charismatic movement has divided the Church. I personally know of a number of churches in my area that have literally been torn into 2 separate churches over the last few decades, thanks to the infiltration of the Charismatic 'movement'. Satan must be overjoyed.

Many people? How many? Thousands, millions? Using scare tactics like this is just pathetic.
I suspect that far more get injured in church by slipping on wet floors or raggy rugs.

Yes, but we don't claim the Holy Spirit is responsible for accidents. But you do claim the Holy Spirit is behind the act of being 'slain in Spirit' and yet many people have been hurt doing so. Do a google of "slain in the Spirit" and "sued" and you will find dozens of examples of people suing the church. And there are no doubt hundreds more that go unreported. How can the Holy Spirit be involved in such a dangerous activity where people are knocked over and so easily be hurt? Impossible. One of the fruit of the Spirit is self control - He would never cause someone to lose control of themselves, let alone cause them to be hurt.

Paul commanded our services to be decent and in order. Is it really "decent and in order" to have bodies strewn all over the floor of the church.
 
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And none of those quoted verses come close to matching the charismatic practice of being 'slain in the Spirit'.
The thread is not about the practices of some charismatics. The question was, Does the Holy Spirit knock people to the ground?
And the answer has to be yes, even from your own argument.

99% of the cases I have seen there is always some kind of a touch by a minister involved. Yet none of the verses quoted here involve any touching.
Your 99% argument is just a completely useless red herring here as I have never argued the necessity of touching.
My experience has mostly been with no touch, and frequently alone or with my wife at home.
Now carry on reading those passages. What happened immediately after Paul and John fell to the floor? Were they involuntarily incapacited and lay there unconscious for a while? No, they were both fully conscious and aware of their surroundings. They immediately heard God speaking to them and recorded the words spoken, and in Paul's case even had a conversation with the Lord. Clearly these are not examples of being 'slain in the Spirit". Nobody touched them and they didn't fall to the ground unconscious.
Please quit with the foolish straw man arguments. I never mentioned unconscious and never claimed they were touched.
You are obviously arguing from personal ignorance of such a Holy Spirit infilling, something that is normal for me.
When they fell to the ground it can only have been voluntarily in reverence and fear. Wouldn't you do the same if heaven opened up before you and you saw the Lord in his glory?
Nonsense, to claim they voluntarily fell to the ground clearly mangles the scriptures.
Rev1v17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man.
You still think John just knelt down?
There can be little doubt that the charismatic movement has divided the Church. I personally know of a number of churches in my area that have literally been torn into 2 separate churches over the last few decades, thanks to the infiltration of the Charismatic 'movement'. Satan must be overjoyed.
Another spurious argument, as this is not about the charismatic movement but about the Holy Spirit.
And Satan is certainly overjoyed at your vehement opposition to what the Holy Spirit does.
Yes, but we don't claim the Holy Spirit is responsible for accidents. But you do claim the Holy Spirit is behind the act of being 'slain in Spirit' and yet many people have been hurt doing so.
Yet another straw man argument as I have never claimed the Holy Spirit was responsible for accidents. In fact I stated the very opposite, so please stop your smearing.
Do a google of "slain in the Spirit" and "sued" and you will find dozens of examples of people suing the church. And there are no doubt hundreds more that go unreported. How can the Holy Spirit be involved in such a dangerous activity where people are knocked over and so easily be hurt? Impossible. One of the fruit of the Spirit is self control - He would never cause someone to lose control of themselves, let alone cause them to be hurt.
Do you ever stop with your garbage. Your accusations have nothing to do with me other than an attempt to smear by association.
Paul commanded our services to be decent and in order. Is it really "decent and in order" to have bodies strewn all over the floor of the church.
Haha. One day you will learn.
 
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The thread is not about the practices of some charismatics. The question was, Does the Holy Spirit knock people to the ground?
And the answer has to be yes, even from your own argument.

Read the rest of the OP's post and it becomes obvious what he meant.

Your 99% argument is just a completely useless red herring here as I have never argued the necessity of touching.
My experience has mostly been with no touch, and frequently alone or with my wife at home.

I can't speak for you, but the experience of the vast majority of others involves a middleman touching them. Just search for 'slain in the spirit' on YouTube. There are hundreds of video. The leader usually touches their forehead, or waves his hand or jacket at them, or punches them in the stomach, and down they go.

Please quit with the foolish straw man arguments. I never mentioned unconscious and never claimed they were touched.

You quoted those verses in response to my post claiming that the practice of being 'slain in the Spirit' is unbiblical.

Nonsense, to claim they voluntarily fell to the ground clearly mangles the scriptures.
Rev1v17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man.
You still think John just knelt down?

No John was at Jesus feet, paralysed with fear. The first thing Jesus said to him was "Do not be afraid".

If you are claiming this verse is an example of someone being slain in the Spirit then the onus is on you to prove it. Prove beyond doubt that John lost control of his legs and involuntarily fell, rather than falling at Christ's feet in reverence and fear as the text would rather indicate.

And Satan is certainly overjoyed at your vehement opposition to what the Holy Spirit does.

I never said the Holy Spirit was doing it.

Yet another straw man argument as I have never claimed the Holy Spirit was responsible for accidents. In fact I stated the very opposite, so please stop your smearing.

I never said you did, but you were the one who compared people being hurt whilst being 'slain' to people accidentally tripping up in church, to deflect away from the serious implication of the Holy Spirit being involved in hurting people if you think it's the Spirit's work.

Do you ever stop with your garbage. Your accusations have nothing to do with me other than an attempt to smear by association.

How about addressing the point, rather than telling lies about me?
 
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Being "slain in the Spirit" even has a pedigree in the revivals of Wesley & Wakefield. Some detractors even experienced it without any human touch whatsoever.

More Biblical examples can be found. In Acts of the Apostles 9:3-4,

"As [Saul of Tarsus] journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?'”

And Revelation 1:10-17,

"10 I [John] was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,...'

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead."
Could 'fell' just be out of surprise or shock in Acts 9:4 and in Revelation out of reverance for the Alpha and Omega? Why wouldn't I fall to the ground when meeting God? Who could stand in front of God? Maybe 'fell' is the language used to describe a swift action and not a conversion to christianity. Though it could also be a showing of a change of heart from a sinner to a believer that definitely is not impossible in everyday life. As I read the two passages above though it doesn't look like it's a conversion to christianity.
 
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I nearly fell to my knees but managed to hold myself up.

Falling to your knees in reverence is a Holy act. Having a preacher wave his coat across a crowd in front of him causing them all to fall backwards is not. There is a difference.
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I'm not saying whether anyone is possessed or filled with the Spirit.

I'm simply critically putting each into it's own category of light and dark, based on the fruits.

If your preacher actually cast demons out of you, in the name of Jesus and no other name. Then I can agree.
But I've also heard of psychics who can read minds.

So unless you genuinely know the Holy Spirit is working. You can't automatically say it's the Holy Spirit.
We are told to, "test all things".

If I started levitating, and said it's the Holy Spirit. What would you say? Amen?
I could point to scripture, like Jesus being lifted to heaven.
Eastern mystics also claim to levitate.
So how can you discern between which is light and dark, if both perform the same works?

If you automatically say everything is the Holy Spirit without discernment, then you're an easy pick for satans manipulations.


I do not believe a born again Christian saved by grace can be filled with a demon so are you telling us you were not saved?
 
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I do not believe a born again Christian saved by grace can be filled with a demon so are you telling us you were not saved?

Christians can have a lot of demons inside, specially from the past, what is debatable is if that one can be possesed by a demon.
 
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The thread is not about the practices of some charismatics. The question was, Does the Holy Spirit knock people to the ground?
And the answer has to be yes, even from your own argument.


Your 99% argument is just a completely useless red herring here as I have never argued the necessity of touching.
My experience has mostly been with no touch, and frequently alone or with my wife at home.

Please quit with the foolish straw man arguments. I never mentioned unconscious and never claimed they were touched.
You are obviously arguing from personal ignorance of such a Holy Spirit infilling, something that is normal for me.

Nonsense, to claim they voluntarily fell to the ground clearly mangles the scriptures.
Rev1v17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man.
You still think John just knelt down?

Another spurious argument, as this is not about the charismatic movement but about the Holy Spirit.
And Satan is certainly overjoyed at your vehement opposition to what the Holy Spirit does.

Yet another straw man argument as I have never claimed the Holy Spirit was responsible for accidents. In fact I stated the very opposite, so please stop your smearing.

Do you ever stop with your garbage. Your accusations have nothing to do with me other than an attempt to smear by association.

Haha. One day you will learn.




Personally with all the division regarding being filled with the Holy Spirit, falling don speaking in tongues, shaking, what ever one might do causes confusion to others around them it is not edifying God. That is why I do not believe it is scriptural. The scriptures quoted did not meet with what you are saying, slightly taken out of content. The Holy Spirit is not a Spirit of confusion.
 
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