Is the Earth flat or round???

JackRT said:

Science fiction usually has at least some basis in science but flat earth is more like science "fantasy". However, it is Biblical.

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Biblical through interpretation. Ones interpretation can be VERY wrong!

Lost4words said:

Biblical through interpretation. Ones interpretation can be VERY wrong!

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It seems an obvious interpretation but I will admit a possibility that the Biblical cosmology is entirely metaphorical simply because so much else in the Bible is metaphorical.

Jesus spoke in parables.

Early man would not be able to understand creation like we do.

SPF said:

You didn’t answer my question. If stars are going to be falling to the earth, then they must be considerably smaller than the earth, right? Are they what we consider meteors? How far from earth are they now? How big is our sun/star?

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Psalm 136:7-9 To Him who made the great lights, For His lovingkindness is everlasting: The sun to rule by day, For His lovingkindness is everlasting, The moon and stars to rule by night, For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/Psalm/148/3
Psalm 148:3-6
Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light! Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created

Job 38:31-33
"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
(notice their rule is fixed over the earth not in an outspace)

Judges 5:20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.
(Sisera was commander of the Canaanite army of King Jabin of Hazor,)

d taylor said:

Psalm 136:7-9 To Him who made the great lights, For His lovingkindness is everlasting: The sun to rule by day, For His lovingkindness is everlasting, The moon and stars to rule by night, For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
Psalm 148:3-6
Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light! Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created

Job 38:31-33
"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
(notice their rule is fixed over the earth not in an outspace)

Judges 5:20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.
(Sisera was commander of the Canaanite army of King Jabin of Hazor,)

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Easy to quote scripture. Understanding it is not so easy!

d taylor said:

Psalm 136:7-9 To Him who made the great lights, For His lovingkindness is everlasting: The sun to rule by day, For His lovingkindness is everlasting, The moon and stars to rule by night, For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
Psalm 148:3-6
Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light! Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created

Job 38:31-33
"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
(notice their rule is fixed over the earth not in an outspace)

Judges 5:20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.
(Sisera was commander of the Canaanite army of King Jabin of Hazor,)

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You still haven’t answered the question. What exactly IS a star? How large are they, how far away from earth are they, what are they made of?

Job 38 a flat earth chapter

Job 38:18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
breadth, broad place
From rachab; a width -- breadth, broad place.

In Greek breadth
Strong's Greek: 4114. πλάτος (platos) -- breadth

SPF said:

You still haven’t answered the question. What exactly IS a star? How large are they, how far away from earth are they, what are they made of?

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Praise Him, all stars of light!

Outer space is real. It's where all the stars are, including our sun and moon, which are millions of miles away, and not within the atmosphere of the earth, and the stars aren't either. Denial won't change that fact. Stars make up our galaxy, various globular clusters, and even the Pleiades and Orion. Stars also make up other galaxies, like the Whirlpool Galaxy, Andromeda, and countless others. The idea of stars literally falling from outer space to the earth is an impossibility, given how massive they really are. That verse about the stars falling from the sky is symbolic language.

The largest known star in our galaxy is UY Scuti, which is found in the constellation Scutum, is 7 to 10 times the mass of our sun. To give you an idea of how massive it is, the diameter would reach from the sun to the orbit of Saturn.

UY Scuti - Wikipedia

It was known to exist back in 1860, but they had no idea how massive it was, but we do now.

One more time: the earth is not flat.

Simple astronomy completely demolishes it and any interpretation of scripture that seems to support the fallacy and fantasy of a flat earth. A spherical earth is 100% fact. There are two different sets of circumpolar constellations. There's one in the northern hemisphere, and one in the southern hemisphere. Polaris is only the pole star for northern latitudes. There are three constellations that mainly serve as the circumpolar constellations in the southern hemisphere: Carina, Centaurus, and the Southern Cross. The latter is probably very familiar - it looks like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ealand.svg/2000px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png

The closest thing the southern hemisphere has to a pole star like Polaris is Sigma Octantis.

Jadis40 said:

Outer space is real. It's where all the stars are, including our sun and moon, which are millions of miles away, and not within the atmosphere of the earth, and the stars aren't either. Denial won't change that fact. Stars make up our galaxy, various globular clusters, and even the Pleiades and Orion. Stars also make up other galaxies, like the Whirlpool Galaxy, Andromeda, and countless others. The idea of stars literally falling from outer space to the earth is an impossibility, given how massive they really are. That verse about the stars falling from the sky is symbolic language.

The largest known star in our galaxy is UY Scuti, which is found in the constellation Scutum, is 7 to 10 times the mass of our sun. To give you an idea of how massive it is, the diameter would reach from the sun to the orbit of Saturn.

UY Scuti - Wikipedia

It was known to exist back in 1860, but they had no idea how massive it was, but we do now.

One more time: the earth is not flat.

Simple astronomy completely demolishes it and any interpretation of scripture that seems to support the fallacy and fantasy of a flat earth. A spherical earth is 100% fact. There are two different sets of circumpolar constellations. There's one in the northern hemisphere, and one in the southern hemisphere. Polaris is only the pole star for northern latitudes. There are three constellations that mainly serve as the circumpolar constellations in the southern hemisphere: Carina, Centaurus, and the Southern Cross. The latter is probably very familiar - it looks like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ealand.svg/2000px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png

The closest thing the southern hemisphere has to a pole star like Polaris is Sigma Octantis.

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I just simply do not believe you over the clear teaching from the Bible. You are just majorly deceived.
So you believe The Messiah was lying when He said the stars will fall to earth or either He was not as learned as our current scientist and just thought the stars are in the raqia when actually the stars are out in space.

d taylor said:

I just simply do not believe you over the clear teaching from the Bible. You are just majorly deceived.
So you believe The Messiah was lying when He said the stars will fall to earth or either He was not as learned as our current scientist and just thought the stars are in the raqia when actually the stars are out in space.

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Not deceived, I just believe in reality, and not fantasy. Again, I believe it's symbolic language, and not to be taken literally.

The stars are not in the raqia, because the firmament never existed and doesn't exist now. So I reject your interpretation of scripture. And yes, it's 100% fact that the stars are are outer space and not simply a few hundred miles up from the earth's surface. That, on the other hand, is pure fantasy.

I posted it before, but the very human authors of Genesis were merely borrowing from Ancient Near East cosmology that already existed at the time. Cosmology that we now know to be incorrect.

This is the reality of what our milky way galaxy looks like, including the position of the solar system:

https://www.sciencemag.org/sites/de...__no_aspect/public/MilkyWay.png?itok=fHv_Umso

Jadis40 said:

The stars are not in the raqia, because the firmament never existed and doesn't exist now. So I reject your interpretation of scripture. And yes, it's 100% fact that the stars are are outer space and not simply a few hundred miles up from the earth's surface. That, on the other hand, is pure fantasy.
https://www.sciencemag.org/sites/de...__no_aspect/public/MilkyWay.png?itok=fHv_Umso

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Provide your evidence that there is an outer space and that stars are out in this outer space.
do not use any of gov sponsored scientist like nasa etc.. give me your evidence.
Because if you are honest you do not know for 100% that what you have been taught in school or read or watched on tv etc.. is true
All these links you are using are just graphics created by a person. Truth is you like any other human has never seen past the blue above. The one person (Ezekiel) who has and He did not see an outer space But God.
Ezekiel 1:22-28
Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 1 - New King James Version

d taylor said:

Provide your evidence that there is an outer space and that stars are out in this outer space.
do not use any of gov sponsored scientist like nasa etc.. give me your evidence.
Because if you are honest you do not know for 100% that what you have been taught in school or read or watched on tv etc.. is true
All these links you are using are just graphics created by a person. Truth is you like any other human has never seen past the blue above. The one person (Ezekiel) who has and He did not see an outer space But God.
Ezekiel 1:22-28
Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 1 - New King James Version

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It would be a waste of time, and I know it would be a waste of time. I know it's true because the truth of outer space is taught around the very spherical earth - from England to Australia and New Zealand to China and Japan. And yes, other humans - cosmonauts from the former USSR and astronauts from the US and those in the very real ISS have been seen beyond the blue above. You're so insistent that outer space (100% reality) doesn't exist, but your denial doesn't keep it from existing. We've been there and back - the Space Shuttle program being the most recent example - Atlantis, Challenger, Endeavour, etc. , and where do you think all the GPS satellites are? That's right - outer space outside the atmosphere of the earth. By the by, that demolishes the idea of a solid dome surrounding the earth. Outer space is where the stars and other galaxies exist as well. The Milky Way galaxy alone has two smaller satellites - the Small Magelleanic Cloud and the Large Magelleanic cloud. Ask any Australian astronomer if they exist, and they'll say of course they exist:

From an Australian astronomy department at one of their Universities:

Small Magellanic Cloud | COSMOS

It's basic science. Go to any science teacher at your local high school or a meteorologist and ask them about the various layers of the atmosphere.

Air is thicker at sea level, but gets thinner in higher mountainous elevations. Why do you think people who aren't acclimated to higher altitudes have trouble breathing? Why do you think astronauts and those on the ISS have a supply of breathable air that they take with them?

So how do I know outer space exists? Because the practical application of science has proved it exists beyond any doubt. By the by, here's an 1822 map of some constellations. The Andromeda galaxy is an oval to the right of Andromeda. People knew things outside the Milky Way galaxy existed, but back then, they didn't understand their true nature.

http://www.peoplesguidetothecosmos.com/constellations/andromeda-jamieson-1822-cr.jpg

There's a great quote from Socrates on the home page of that site which states:

"Man must rise above the Earth to the top of the atmosphere and beyond, for only then will he understand the world in which he lives."

Well, we've done that, many times over, and now we're getting a much better understanding of the *true* nature of the earth, and outer space which surrounds it. Every day brings new discoveries. For the record, NASA is a legitimate source of information.

d taylor said:

Provide your evidence that there is an outer space and that stars are out in this outer space.
do not use any of gov sponsored scientist like nasa etc.. give me your evidence.
Because if you are honest you do not know for 100% that what you have been taught in school or read or watched on tv etc.. is true
All these links you are using are just graphics created by a person. Truth is you like any other human has never seen past the blue above. The one person (Ezekiel) who has and He did not see an outer space But God.
Ezekiel 1:22-28
Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 1 - New King James Version

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Actually several hundred people have travelled beyond our atmosphere.

Lost4words said:

Problem is, you take things 'Too' literally. Bible is more complex than just black and white.

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There is another area the Bible is black and white. Either a person has believed that Jesus of the New Testament is the promised Messiah from Old Testament prophecies and has trusted in Jesus for His gift of His Eternal Life or they have not simple message in black and white.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Jadis40 said:

where do you think all the GPS satellites are? That's right - outer space outside the atmosphere of the earth. By the by, that demolishes the idea of a solid dome surrounding the earth.

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Over 90% of communication is done by cables laid under the oceans waters.
Undersea Cables Transport 99 Percent of International Data

d taylor said:

Over 90% of communication is done by cables laid under the oceans waters.
Undersea Cables Transport 99 Percent of International Data

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GPS satellites are not communication satellites.

d taylor said:

Provide your evidence that there is an outer space and that stars are out in this outer space.
do not use any of gov sponsored scientist like nasa etc.. give me your evidence.
Because if you are honest you do not know for 100% that what you have been taught in school or read or watched on tv etc.. is true
All these links you are using are just graphics created by a person. Truth is you like any other human has never seen past the blue above. The one person (Ezekiel) who has and He did not see an outer space But God.
Ezekiel 1:22-28
Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 1 - New King James Version

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Seriously? You’re totally discounting science. That’s very closed minded. God gave us the intellectual ability to use science to understand the world around us and beyond this world.

d taylor said:

There is another area the Bible is black and white. Either a person has believed that Jesus of the New Testament is the promised Messiah from Old Testament prophecies and has trusted in Jesus for His gift of His Eternal Life or they have not simple message in black and white.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

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Jesus also spoke in parables. The Bible is full of scripture that needs much thought without diving in and reading it at face value.

Plus, it was written at a time in history when man was very much uneducated about creation etc etc. God knew this. He obviously didnt go into great detail now did He.