Slain in the Spirit / Knocked out by the Spirit

Does the Holy Spirit knock people to the ground?

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Interestingly enough, if you look into CHI energy manipulation in Eastern religions(not Christian), they also have Monks or Guru's that push people. The person feels some energy go through them, and they fall to the ground.
Gosh, pagans have monks or gurus that push people, of what relevance is that?
Pagans also have priests who lay hands on people, the church surely must ban that.
Pagans also pray to their gods, maybe the church should ban all prayer.
Pagans also have candles and incense, lots of it. Churches that use incense must therefore be pagan.
The whole point of Satan is to masquerade as an angel of light, thus it is hardly a surprise that he does similar stuff to what the Holy Spirit does.
Be very careful about things that aren't scriptural. There are churches that have a "spirit" fall on the people, and they roll around on the floor laughing and some mourning. It looks more like something from a horror movie.
Gosh laughter in church, Jesus never laughed did he!
2000 years ago you'd be one of those criticising Jesus from the side lines as he ministered life to people.
The power of darkness can perform wonders as well. The question is can you distinguish between them, by measuring up to scripture.
Clearly with all your scriptures, you still can't distinguish light from darkness.
New age occultists have similar experiences as John of Patmos. Where they come out of their body and demons disguised as angels, show them wonders.
So lets all now rip the book of Revelation out of the bible.
Or demons transform and mimic passed family members, and through channelers speak to people.
So what? Anyone with a jot of sense knows that. This sort of stuff has been happening since Adam's time, long before the recent reports of NDEs. In fact the bible warns about it, but again, nothing to specific to NDEs.
I feel we're getting closer to merging Christianity with occultism, because there is so much liberalism in the church. They're starting to incorporate eastern meditation and yoga rituals. Which are the exact practices Guru's use, to become "enlightened". Meanwhile they invite demons who give them powers.
I agree ref the threat of liberalism, occultism and countless other isms. But again, these are not rooted in NDEs, they are just symptomatic of a church far away from God.
Satan is very sneaky, and he can easily mimic darkness to be indistinguishable from light. To the point where Christians have to twist scripture, in order to make room for darkness disguised as light.
Satan has always done that since Eden, but again he didn't need NDEs to do it.

Apart from bewailing NDEs, you have presented absolutely no evidence that prove your point.
Scripture is full of heavenly testimonies, either visions or being transported in the spirit.
 
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If you'd made it clear in your first post that the word Trinity isn't Scriptural, there would have been no need for the sarcasm.
My original comment was directed specifically at Monk Brendan who said, "You're quite right. NONE of this is scriptural."
So in that context, my post was very clear and needed nothing adding.
I'm sorry if it confused you, but you should check the context of a post before commenting. Mind you, I often make the same mistake!

Bottom line is that we are both on the same page...………...I think?
 
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No, but it does show what an outpouring of Holy Spirit power can do to a man.
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There's a difference between God giving you his Spirit.
And God attacking you with the power of the Spirit.
 
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Is that where the ‘slain in the spirit’ practice originally comes from? I mean is it mainly based on this passage? Thanks.
Lots of other passages. This is a good one.
2nd Chron. 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14 So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.
 
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Gosh, pagans have monks or gurus that push people, of what relevance is that?
These Gurus don't push people. They knock them over with powers from darkness.
The 'knocking over in the spirit' has more similarities to occult practices, then to scripture.

Seems your only defense is, "things have always existed, so therefore it has nothing to do with modern Christianity".

The fact it takes place in church, doesn't mean it comes from light.
You seem very dismissive of questionable things. I'd urge you to be careful lest you walk into a den of demons.

These questionable things have arisen in parallel with new age occultism. I've never heard any historical accounts of slain in the spirit, pre 1700's.
This is how Satan works. Little by little you accept these wonders, before you know it you're worshiping demons.
If there is no clear account of the Spirit moving in people, by slaying them. Then don't twist other scripture to make it work. There are many other occult practices with no hint of scripture in them, that can be found in scripture if you twist them just right.
 
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Lots of other passages. This is a good one.
2nd Chron. 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14 So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.
It doesn't say He knocked them over, nor that He entered into them. Also, when people receive the apparent "spirit" and get knocked over, they get right back up. That verse says they couldn't stand.
Also, in scriptural accounts of the Spirit. It always says, "they were filled". Your verse says nothing of the sort.

The Holy Spirit is a comforter, not a slayer.
Not a single account in new testament, did any person get knocked over when receiving the Spirit. The only account they had, was fire over their heads and speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc.

If the Holy Spirit did enter and knock them over, then in order for the to get back, the Holy Spirit would need to leave. He doesn't tone his power down, so they can get back up. Nor does the Holy Spirit leave once He enters.

I find more relevance between occultism and being slain, then scripture and being slain. Says a lot.
 
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Being "slain in the Spirit" even has a pedigree in the revivals of Wesley & Wakefield. Some detractors even experienced it without any human touch whatsoever.

More Biblical examples can be found. In Acts of the Apostles 9:3-4,

"As [Saul of Tarsus] journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?'”

And Revelation 1:10-17,

"10 I [John] was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,...'

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead."
2 Chronicles 5:13-14.
 
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It doesn't say He knocked them over, nor that He entered into them. Also, when people receive the apparent "spirit" and get knocked over, they get right back up. That verse says they couldn't stand.
Also, in scriptural accounts of the Spirit. It always says, "they were filled". Your verse says nothing of the sort.

The Holy Spirit is a comforter, not a slayer.
Not a single account in new testament, did any person get knocked over when receiving the Spirit. The only account they had, was fire over their heads and speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc.

If the Holy Spirit did enter and knock them over, then in order for the to get back, the Holy Spirit would need to leave. He doesn't tone his power down, so they can get back up. Nor does the Holy Spirit leave once He enters.

I find more relevance between occultism and being slain, then scripture and being slain. Says a lot.
It says the could not stand as in could not stand up on their feet when the cloud entered the temple. Isn’t that enough? Why the need to read all your self centered beliefs into it?
 
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These Gurus don't push people. They knock them over with powers from darkness.
The 'knocking over in the spirit' has more similarities to occult practices, then to scripture.
Its a red herring issue whether people are pushed or not in pagan temples, or churches, the Holy Spirit doesn't need such help. I have fallen or been slain in the power of the Holy spirit many times, and when nobody touched me, and mostly not in church.
Seems your only defense is, "things have always existed, so therefore it has nothing to do with modern Christianity".
Whilst your stance seems limited to "pagans do stuff like that, therefore it must be pagan"!
The fact it takes place in church, doesn't mean it comes from light.
True, but falling under the power of the Holy Spirit is not one of them. And as I stated previously, it has happened to me elsewhere than church, often alone just me and the Lord.
You seem very dismissive of questionable things. I'd urge you to be careful lest you walk into a den of demons.
My experience with the personal manifestation of the Holy Spirit goes back a very long way, and I have questioned many things I have seen.
Being well involved with spiritual warfare and deliverance from demons, I know when I see a den of demons, and receiving an infilling of the Holy Spirit is not demonic!
These questionable things have arisen in parallel with new age occultism. I've never heard any historical accounts of slain in the spirit, pre 1700's.
You need to take into account that until very recently, the mainstream churches taught that the ministry and gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased with the death of the apostles.
Anyone showing the slightest sniff of Holy Spirit activity, whether just a dream or vision was likely to be burnt at the stake as a heretic or witch.
Thus there is very little historic evidence of any Holy Spirit activity before the 1700s
This is how Satan works. Little by little you accept these wonders, before you know it you're worshiping demons.
Or in your case, you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
If there is no clear account of the Spirit moving in people, by slaying them. Then don't twist other scripture to make it work.
"Slain in the spirit" is just a weak metaphor to describe people who shake at the knees when they experience the power of the Holy Spirit. Given that there are various accounts of people falling down before God in the bible, there is no twisting of scripture, other than by yourself.
There are many other occult practices with no hint of scripture in them, that can be found in scripture if you twist them just right.
And you are attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to demons.
 
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Not a single account in new testament, did any person get knocked over when receiving the Spirit. The only account they had, was fire over their heads and speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc.
Really? The only account was fire on their heads and tongues. Really?

Have you ever been drunk, or seen someone drunk, paralytic, blotto etc?

What are the characteristics of being drunk?
Laughter, difficulty in standing, raucous behaviour, falling over, grinning and giggling.
There were 120 people accused of being drunk at Pentecost. They were obviously accused of being drunk because they were exhibiting behaviour like drunkenness, but drunkenness in the Holy Spirit.

I confess to being drunk in the Holy Spirit countless times.
 
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It says the could not stand as in could not stand up on their feet when the cloud entered the temple. Isn’t that enough? Why the need to read all your self centered beliefs into it?
If you want to use that logic. Then lets assume they could stand on their hands, just not their feet. Or lets assume God disabled their feet, ankles down, but the rest of them was fine.
 
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Really? The only account was fire on their heads and tongues. Really?

Have you ever been drunk, or seen someone drunk, paralytic, blotto etc?

What are the characteristics of being drunk?
Laughter, difficulty in standing, raucous behaviour, falling over, grinning and giggling.
There were 120 people accused of being drunk at Pentecost. They were obviously accused of being drunk because they were exhibiting behaviour like drunkenness, but drunkenness in the Holy Spirit.

I confess to being drunk in the Holy Spirit countless times.
Oh your foolish discernment!

There was not a hint of any correlation to drunkenness. They did not stumble, they did not fall, make noises. None of these! The only sign they had was of speaking in the peoples own languages by the Spirit.
The people were so amazed, they could only assume they were drunk. You are no different from the mockers who said they were drunk. The only drunkards in scripture, were sinners and sons of the devil.

You are no different from the occultists, who try to convince others that when Jesus says, "didn't I say ye are Gods", He means they are literal Gods. Or that we have a third eye, because He said "the eye is the lamp of the body. Or that he was an ascended master, because he ascended to heaven and was called master.

Trying to convince people the Holy Spirit makes you as drunk? You have no idea what the fruits of the Spirit are.

Absolute foolishness. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus.
 
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Some people claim when they receive the Spirit, it knocks them to the ground. Usually backwards.

Others say they receive an overwhelming peace.

In my parents church(Pentecostal), I've witnessed some odd accounts.

One teen boy said he felt paralyzed.
During heated prayers, a young girl starts screaming in tongues. Or some incomprehensible cluster of noises.
The pastor seems to speak more in tongues, then in his own language. When he leads prayer, within 3 seconds he's speaking in tongues. (There's no translator).

None of these seem scriptural. But I don't want to judge like the Pharisees, in the event I unknowingly blaspheme the Spirit.

I voted yes however not due to the phenomenon today but what happen to the soldiers when Jesus answered them "yes I AM HE". Only those who were sent to capture Him fell backwards by the power of the Holy Spirit. And I do not think it was a sign that these men were filled with the Holy Spirit. They were struck by the Holy Spirit. There is a difference. Today we see many struck by the Holy Spirit as they can not contain the true Holy Spirit in themselves. They walk in darkness thinking it is light.
 
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I voted yes however not due to the phenomenon today but what happen to the soldiers when Jesus answered them "yes I AM HE". Only those who were sent to capture Him fell backwards by the power of the Holy Spirit. And I do not think it was a sign that these men were filled with the Holy Spirit. They were struck by the Holy Spirit. There is a difference. Today we see many struck by the Holy Spirit as they can not contain the true Holy Spirit in themselves. They walk in darkness thinking it is light.
John "fell down as though dead" in Revelation.

Are you saying he was also one of those "walkers in darkness" who repelled The Holy Spirit because of his/their evilness?
 
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John "fell down as though dead" in Revelation.

Are you saying he was also one of those "walkers in darkness" who repelled The Holy Spirit because of his/their evilness?

John fell forward in reverence, he fell at his feet. Hard to do if you are backwards. He also did it himself not by some force. And here is scripture to confirm it.
Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last.



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Yes, it happened to me. For me it's one of those situations where a person could quote scripture and try to tell me that it doesn't happen, but I hope you'll forgive me if I confess that your reasoning must necessarily fall on deaf ears. I know from personal experience that it does happen. I wasn't pushed. I just felt like I was enveloped in a warm cloud on that dark cold night, and I relaxed involuntarily to the point of not being able to stand up, or pretty much anything else. I wasn't expecting that, exactly. I was just worshiping God. It wasn't self-induced, and I've never felt that way since.

You can come up with whatever blasphemous explanation you like, but I know what I experienced.
 
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None of the bible verses quoted so far in this thread come anywhere near to justifying what occurs today. None of those examples show any evidence that the Holy Spirit caused believers to lose control of themselves. And absolutely none involved another person touching them. Voluntarily falling down prostrate in fear before the Lord in his glory, as Paul and John did, is not the same as being 'zapped' by a touch from a charismatic minister.

Seeing as there is no scriptural justification for this activity, the church will inevitably be divided. Yet according to scripture division is exactly what God seeks to avoid, so it is hard to believe that He would now introduce such a divisive manifestation without Scripture to clearly support it.

Many people have even been injured in these antics. Churches have been sued and ordered to pay compensation. How could it ever be the will of God that a believer can possibly be hurt in a worship service as a result of His activity?
 
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Yes, it happened to me. For me it's one of those situations where a person could quote scripture and try to tell me that it doesn't happen, but I hope you'll forgive me if I confess that your reasoning must necessarily fall on deaf ears. I know from personal experience that it does happen. I wasn't pushed. I just felt like I was enveloped in a warm cloud on that dark cold night, and I relaxed involuntarily to the point of not being able to stand up, or pretty much anything else. I wasn't expecting that, exactly. I was just worshiping God. It wasn't self-induced, and I've never felt that way since.

You can come up with whatever blasphemous explanation you like, but I know what I experienced.
Now that sounds a lot different, from a preacher slapping people in the head or pushing them over.
But some could argue you went into sleep paralysis. Where you're still conscious and aware, but you have no control of your body. That would explain it, as you said you were relaxed involuntarily. That happens in paralysis.
But only you really know. Bless you if it was the Holy Spirit.

I used to think I had the Holy Spirit, when I would get shivers all over my body, after hearing music about God. Some Catholics call it, "Spirit Chills".

I think there's a lot of emotional Spirit chasing in the church.
A lot of it is psychological hypnosis acting as a "placebo". You're looking for a revelation to the point where your body creates it's own experience.
 
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I read in John "when He said I am he they fell backwards to the ground" now..some can stop there but.. read the OT... not the 1st time. He's GOD..really? Think you going to just STAND there?

So I give my personal experience. It was I think a Friday night. This preacher came to our Church.. hundreds of hundreds of People were there..Spokane Wa. Glad Tidings Church. So.. at some point he said "is there anyone that wants to experience the power of God?" My thoughts were.. if He is real yes. So I go up.. I am on stage.. not thinking a thing.. not scared.. nothing. His back was to me. He turns around and took one finger and touched my forehead..

Lol.. I open my eyes.. and..I am on the ground on my back. NO CLUE what happen. I start to get up.. something hit my feet shot into my chest.. HAHA..I was in my late teens. I am 57 now..and its like yesterday.. I am starting to cry.. well.. such a power.. such LOVE PEACE. I don't know what the youth pastor saw. I remember driving home with him and he said "not many people get touch by God like that".

Now I know how some groups think about this kind of stuff. Its evil of the devil..had people ask me..so you were scared.. or something like that ..thats why you fell. I had the pastor there pray for me one time and .. he was TRYING very hard to push me down lol. I will always tell the exact truth NOTHING added. I wanted a preacher to pray for me one time. But .. he just asked for ALL ministers to come up so I did.. I saw him coming and he was just laying hands on praying not asking about anything. So when he got to me and my hand were up.. I said lol JUST as he touched my head "for the anointing"... it was as if I stuck my left arm in a dozen light sockets.. hit my hand and shot down into me.. SO beautiful.

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"...

is He REAL or not? He told you.. where two or three are gathered in my name ..HE IS THERE! And what you think.. all that POWER YOUR going to be the one to stand? A town ..all this GOD could do.. is lay hands on a few and teach. DOUBT.. that will ALWAYS stop Him. If you doubt let not that man think he will get anything from God. Not my words. You say its not real cant happen of the devil what ever.. don't worry.. you will never have it happen to you. He will NEVER go against your will. Try this DOUBT in ANYTHING see if He will do it anyway.

Be like a child.. read that book as if you never heard of it before....its its written ...believe HIM not man not me... HIM and Him alone ALL glory and praise.. HES GOD.. HES your Father.. sorry.. WHOS going to tell HIM what HE cant do...your doubt..

I can go on and on... going to collage in Oklahoma.. we were driving ..just getting into Oklahoma. Now I was going blind..didnt know anyone.. or had any place to stay. The driver she said she had a friend at Oral Roberts Univ but no clue where it was. At the SAME time we were DRIVING talking.. the car behind us kept pointing up. We pull over to this INFO stand. The guy right behind us. Gets out.. comes over.. as GOD as my witness ask "didn't you see me pointing up?" We answer yes" He says (exact words) "God told me you don't know how to get to Oral Roberts Univ and I am to show you the way"..

WOW.. STILL happen to me and HAHA..PRAISE GOD! And this was nothing.. all my life this way. As long as we DOUBT you will NEVER see experience the power of God in your life. Read the NT....Peter in jail..them praying FOR HIM to get out. God hears.. Angel comes.. lets Peter out.. Peter goes back to house.. READ what they said..how they believed.. 'Oh its just Peters angel".. HUH? is that YOUR 1st thought? That was NORMAL.. God never changed.. DOUBT happen.

What God LOVES me more or what ever..NO.. I pray.. I repent ALWAYS.. try to ALWAYS think of others 1st. ALL MY LIFE.. in EVERYTHING for some reason and I NEVER new this was written "what if that was me..what would I want" So I do that. And I always try to make sure its written. And if I say something wrong.. I try to say..forgive me if I offended you. But.. sorry.. when I put my FAITH in HIS word.. and STAND and not be moved.. He has NEVER ONCE FAILED! Saw a blind woman (same preacher that touched my forehead) touch this woman..IN JESUS Name.. jump scream shout.. ASK HIM..talk to HIM. FAITH is the ONLY way to please Him... if HE said it.. its done!
 
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I read in John "when He said I am he they fell backwards to the ground" now..some can stop there but.. read the OT... not the 1st time. He's GOD..really? Think you going to just STAND there?

So I give my personal experience. It was I think a Friday night. This preacher came to our Church.. hundreds of hundreds of People were there..Spokane Wa. Glad Tidings Church. So.. at some point he said "is there anyone that wants to experience the power of God?" My thoughts were.. if He is real yes. So I go up.. I am on stage.. not thinking a thing.. not scared.. nothing. His back was to me. He turns around and took one finger and touched my forehead..

Lol.. I open my eyes.. and..I am on the ground on my back. NO CLUE what happen. I start to get up.. something hit my feet shot into my chest.. HAHA..I was in my late teens. I am 57 now..and its like yesterday.. I am starting to cry.. well.. such a power.. such LOVE PEACE. I don't know what the youth pastor saw. I remember driving home with him and he said "not many people get touch by God like that".

Now I know how some groups think about this kind of stuff. Its evil of the devil..had people ask me..so you were scared.. or something like that ..thats why you fell. I had the pastor there pray for me one time and .. he was TRYING very hard to push me down lol. I will always tell the exact truth NOTHING added. I wanted a preacher to pray for me one time. But .. he just asked for ALL ministers to come up so I did.. I saw him coming and he was just laying hands on praying not asking about anything. So when he got to me and my hand were up.. I said lol JUST as he touched my head "for the anointing"... it was as if I stuck my left arm in a dozen light sockets.. hit my hand and shot down into me.. SO beautiful.

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"...

is He REAL or not? He told you.. where two or three are gathered in my name ..HE IS THERE! And what you think.. all that POWER YOUR going to be the one to stand? A town ..all this GOD could do.. is lay hands on a few and teach. DOUBT.. that will ALWAYS stop Him. If you doubt let not that man think he will get anything from God. Not my words. You say its not real cant happen of the devil what ever.. don't worry.. you will never have it happen to you. He will NEVER go against your will. Try this DOUBT in ANYTHING see if He will do it anyway.

Be like a child.. read that book as if you never heard of it before....its its written ...believe HIM not man not me... HIM and Him alone ALL glory and praise.. HES GOD.. HES your Father.. sorry.. WHOS going to tell HIM what HE cant do...your doubt..
 
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