Is the Earth flat or round???

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I have been a scientist most of my adult life and I have never encountered "pagan science lies:. You have me puzzled. What am I missing?
Well the creation described by God in the Bible is completely opposite to all of sciences statements about Gods creation. And a large majority of scientist are not christian if you are not a christian then you are a pagan/unbeliever in the God of the Bible in the truest scene.

And of course there are now the christian scientist (not the cult but an actual scientist who is a christian or at least say they are) that has brought into the belief the mixing of pagan science with christianity.

The teaching of science which clearly contradicts the Bibles teachings that describe the creation of God (or as much as God has reveled to us now). So a majority of christians in churches have accepted these pagan descriptions of Gods creation so much to the point. That the church has created a way to allow the christian to still say the believe in the Bible. And that is to just make the parts of the Bible that do not agree with science, to be labeled a metaphor or something to that effect.
 
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I don't remember Jesus instructing His followers to not believe anything taught by science, or anything about the shape of the earth. If you'd like to point me to a reference, that'd be great.
Mark 13:25.27
the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

Revelation 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

So how do stars fall to earth if they are lights years away. Here is also a earth that has ends.
 
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Reasons why science is not a religion:

1. Science by its very nature can not address the spiritual or supernatural realm and as a result cannot make claims about the supernatural.

2. Science has no sacred places, objects or times.

3. Science has no rituals based on sacred places, objects or times.

4. Science has no moral code based on supernatural origin or religious authority.

5. Science has no prayer or appeal to the supernatural.

6. Scientific theories are derived from observation and experiment not from revelation or religious authority as are doctrines or dogmas.

7. Scientific theories are not fixed for all time but can be refuted or modified on the basis of new evidence.

This being said, individual scientists frequently have religious beliefs including Christianity.
 
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Thank newton for creating the idea of gravity, other wise half or more than likely all of the pagan science lies would not be possible.

Newton simply named ... and studied ... the force that holds you down to the ground ... and keeps you from floating up into a tree.

It's the same force which causes apples to fall from trees ... and for you to fall from a tree if you're not careful. Gravity causes the rains to fall ... and for a larger 300+ pounder to have to work harder to climb steps ... than a smaller 150 pounder.

The force of gravity can be opposed ... enabling fairly light creatures to fly if they have the wing power ... and for planes to ascend to necessary cruising heights.

Galileo also did experiments with gravity, proving that objects of different weights fall at the same speed if there is no air resistance.
 
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So how do stars fall to earth if they are lights years away
Actually, the first question that comes to my mind is not how do the stars fall to earth, but what do you actually think a star is? The sun is a star, and we consider it considerably larger than the earth. So what do you think stars are made of, and how big do you think they are, and can you provide any evidence to support your belief?
 
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Reasons why science is not a religion:

1. Science by its very nature can not address the spiritual or supernatural realm and as a result cannot make claims about the supernatural.

2. Science has no sacred places, objects or times.

3. Science has no rituals based on sacred places, objects or times.

4. Science has no moral code based on supernatural origin or religious authority.

5. Science has no prayer or appeal to the supernatural.

6. Scientific theories are derived from observation and experiment not from revelation or religious authority as are doctrines or dogmas.

7. Scientific theories are not fixed for all time but can be refuted or modified on the basis of new evidence.

This being said, individual scientists frequently have religious beliefs including Christianity.
The names used of science/nasa's many are pagan gods. Again why would people who use pagan god names want to tell the truth about the the true God of the Scriptures.

List the earliest scientist people like anaximander etc.. all pagan/theism or if you like non christian. People whose ideas completely go against the Bible. The tradition continues unto this day, nowadays they (scientist have moved from the gods/theism belief to the atheist philosophy).

The kingdoms of this world are satans that was a legitimate offer satan made to The Messiah and noting has changed since that offer. The Christ rejected the offer, so these kingdoms are still in the possession of satan. So why would kingdoms (gov and gov paid scientist) in satans possession want to tell the truth about God's creation. God clearly states that satan is a liar and no truth is found in him.
Next up in the science play book (in my opinion of course) is the discovery of alien life, in the made up outer space.
It has been a steady progression, first a globe earth then the moving of the sun to the center of this outer space with everything moving around the sun, and all the discoveries that went along with the moving of the sun, then the evolution lie and as i said i believe the next lie will be the alien lie. You already see the setting of the stage with astronauts etc.. saying they have seen ufo's

If you and any other christian want to take the Bible put it to the side concerning God's creation and put up the science book no skin off my nose.
When i stand before The Messiah i may have a lot of sins to account for but one will not be, not believing the Bible from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22
 
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Mark 13:25.27
the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

Revelation 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

So how do stars fall to earth if they are lights years away. Here is also a earth that has ends.

Problem is, you take things 'Too' literally. Bible is more complex than just black and white.
 
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Actually, the first question that comes to my mind is not how do the stars fall to earth, but what do you actually think a star is? The sun is a star, and we consider it considerably larger than the earth. So what do you think stars are made of, and how big do you think they are, and can you provide any evidence to support your belief?
Paul states
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

Sun photo
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both taken by me with a camera star nikon p1000, sun nikon b700 both are coolpix cameras.
 
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Next up in the science play book (in my opinion of course) is the discovery of alien life, in the made up outer space.

Do you drive a car, or tractor, or push a lawn-mower ?

Have you flown on a plane ?

Do you use electricity ?

Do you have indoor plumbing ?

Do you use a stove, oven, refrigerator, vacuum cleaner, television, radio, electric lights, digital clocks, etc.

Do you have a furnace that heats your home ? Do you have A/C ?

Have you or any of your loved ones/friends benefitted from the advances in medical science ? Do you realize that people only used
to live to an average age of 40-50 ?

Do you ever take any medication ?

Quite obviously, you use a computer, and the internet.

All of these conveniences are the products of Science. God gave us Science to benefit our lives. And it has ...

You can pooh-pooh Science all that you want. But you likely incorporate a lot of Science into your daily living.

Science is not always right. But it is generally open to change ... when it needs to. Also, Science can be misused, as can any gift of God. But knowledge is not wrong simply because it originates somewhere other the Bible.

God gave us the Bible to give us instruction on how to right our relationship with Him. The Bible is not meant to be a science textbook, ... it is meant to show us the way to God.

You already see the setting of the stage with astronauts etc. ... saying they have seen UFO's ...

Not astronauts, ... ordinary people ...
 
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Paul states
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

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star photo both taken by me with a camera star nikon p1000, sun nikon b700 both are coolpix cameras.

The GLORY of the Sun, Moon, and stars is all different. Because the GLORY of these items is what we see.
 
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Mark 13:25.27
the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

Revelation 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

So how do stars fall to earth if they are lights years away. Here is also a earth that has ends.

What are the "ends" of an earth that is shaped like a pie plate?
 
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Paul states
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

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both taken by me with a camera star nikon p1000, sun nikon b700 both are coolpix cameras.

You forgot to use the focus on the star picture.
 
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Ah, cameras, ... another product of Science ...

Not to mention that some FE people will use pictures from digital cameras to "prove" their point, but will dismiss them as fake, CGI, edited, etc. if they don't agree with a picture that proves them wrong.
 
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Paul states
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

Sun photo
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star photo
both taken by me with a camera star nikon p1000, sun nikon b700 both are coolpix cameras.
You didn’t answer my question. If stars are going to be falling to the earth, then they must be considerably smaller than the earth, right? Are they what we consider meteors? How far from earth are they now? How big is our sun/star?
 
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Flat earth is unreal. Its far beyond reality. Its the stuff of science 'fiction'.

Science fiction usually has at least some basis in science but flat earth is more like science "fantasy". However, it is Biblical.
 
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