Ezekiel's Temple vision does NOT HAVE future fulfillment.

Biblewriter said:

If you actually examine the specific Hebrew words used in the text here, this claim will not hold up.

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BABerean2 said:

The Dispensationalists claims that renewed animal sacrifices will be needed in the future as a "memorial" or as a "lesson" are a work of fiction, not found in scripture.

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Biblewriter said:

They are explicitly stated in Ezekiel 43:18-27, in Ezekiel 45:13-25 and in all of Ezekiel 46.

You can pretend that these passages do not mean what they explicitly say, but it is flat out wrong to claim they are not in scripture.

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jesus316 said:

Ezekiel's temple will be in the new heavens and new earth exactly as described. Ditto for all of Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48.

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The Boxer said:

Dispensationalists all argue that Ezekiel's temple vision will be fulfilled in the supposed future millennial kingdom. But the abundance of internal evidence in the book strongly militates against this. For example, the book explicitly states that Ezekiel himself would offer a sacrifice in the temple. This puts the fulfillment of Ezekiel's visions in Ezekiel's generation.

43:18-20,
And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord God. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Please note that God spoke to Ezekiel and said that "you" are to provide a bull and "you" are to apply its blood on the altar and "you" shall cleanse it and make atonement. Now a poster here told me last month that the "you" here is generic. But if the "you" is generic, then we would expect it to be plural. But it is not plural. According to the Analytical Key to the Old Testament the "you" is singular in each instance.
This means that Ezekiel's himself was to offer the bull and that the vision would have its fulfillment in Ezekiel's own time.

This also argues against Dispensationalism's theory that the sacrifices are for a "memorial." It CLEARLY says that Ezekiel was to "make atonement." Moreover, God said that Ezekiel would be accepted as a consequence.

verse 27,
"and I will accept you, says the Lord God."

Ezekiel wouldn't need to offer a bull for acceptance in the millennium for he would have been resurrected sinless.

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"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)

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The Boxer said:

Dispensationalists all argue that Ezekiel's temple vision will be fulfilled in the supposed future millennial kingdom. But the abundance of internal evidence in the book strongly militates against this. For example, the book explicitly states that Ezekiel himself would offer a sacrifice in the temple. This puts the fulfillment of Ezekiel's visions in Ezekiel's generation.

43:18-20,
And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord God. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Please note that God spoke to Ezekiel and said that "you" are to provide a bull and "you" are to apply its blood on the altar and "you" shall cleanse it and make atonement. Now a poster here told me last month that the "you" here is generic. But if the "you" is generic, then we would expect it to be plural. But it is not plural. According to the Analytical Key to the Old Testament the "you" is singular in each instance.
This means that Ezekiel's himself was to offer the bull and that the vision would have its fulfillment in Ezekiel's own time.

This also argues against Dispensationalism's theory that the sacrifices are for a "memorial." It CLEARLY says that Ezekiel was to "make atonement." Moreover, God said that Ezekiel would be accepted as a consequence.

verse 27,
"and I will accept you, says the Lord God."

Ezekiel wouldn't need to offer a bull for acceptance in the millennium for he would have been resurrected sinless.

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The Boxer said:

Dispensationalists all argue that Ezekiel's temple vision will be fulfilled in the supposed future millennial kingdom. But the abundance of internal evidence in the book strongly militates against this. For example, the book explicitly states that Ezekiel himself would offer a sacrifice in the temple. This puts the fulfillment of Ezekiel's visions in Ezekiel's generation.

43:18-20,
And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord God. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Please note that God spoke to Ezekiel and said that "you" are to provide a bull and "you" are to apply its blood on the altar and "you" shall cleanse it and make atonement. Now a poster here told me last month that the "you" here is generic. But if the "you" is generic, then we would expect it to be plural. But it is not plural. According to the Analytical Key to the Old Testament the "you" is singular in each instance.
This means that Ezekiel's himself was to offer the bull and that the vision would have its fulfillment in Ezekiel's own time.

This also argues against Dispensationalism's theory that the sacrifices are for a "memorial." It CLEARLY says that Ezekiel was to "make atonement." Moreover, God said that Ezekiel would be accepted as a consequence.

verse 27,
"and I will accept you, says the Lord God."

Ezekiel wouldn't need to offer a bull for acceptance in the millennium for he would have been resurrected sinless.

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sdowney717 said:

There will be no animal sacrifices ever again that God will require for sin offerings. The OC passed away, is done away with, expired. Everything is NT now, the OT books simply foreshadowed what was to replace it.

Jesus said the NEW COVENANT is now enforced for all people, jew and gentile. PAUL also in Ephesians said the dividing wall of hostility is broken down in this NC to create one new man in Christ, no longer jew or gentile.

Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luke 22:20
Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55
For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.
John 6:56
He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

None of the NT authors ever wrote about Ezekiel's vision. It must not have had any relevance then anymore.

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BABerean2 said:

The Dispensationalists claims that renewed animal sacrifices will be needed in the future as a "memorial" or as a "lesson" are a work of fiction, not found in scripture.


Heb_10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(From the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

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Copperhead said:

The scripture is very clear that those who fail to come to Jerusalem at the Feast of Tabernacles will have rain withheld from their land. Pretty harsh treatment for just missing a feast. But then, the scripture is also very clear that the Messiah will rule with a rod of iron. Anyone gets out of line and they will be swiftly dealt with.

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BABerean2 said:

Who is the "tabernacle" of the New Covenant?
Who revealed that He is the temple of God?

Based on Psalm 2, the potter destroys the flawed pottery with the rod of iron, He does not correct it like a schoolmaster.

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Copperhead said:

So by extension, there is probably a lot of other things going on related Torah observance and possibly the Temple as laid out by Ezekiel.

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BABerean2 said:

No. The Old Covenant was merely a shadow of the New.

In Hebrews 12:18, we are not come to the mountain that burns with fire(Sinai).


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Christ contrasts the Old Covenant with the higher standard of the New Covenant:



Mat 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.'

Mat 5:22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mat 5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Mat 5:25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

Mat 5:26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.



Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.



Mat 5:31 "Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'

Mat 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.



Mat 5:33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.'

Mat 5:34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;

Mat 5:35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.

Mat 5:36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.

Mat 5:37 But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.



Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Mat 5:40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.

Mat 5:41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.

Mat 5:42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.



Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

Mat 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Mat 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

Mat 5:47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

Mat 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.





Confirmation of the contrast between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is found below.




2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,

2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?



Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—

Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—

Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.



Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.



Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,

Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.

Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."

Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Copperhead said:

But the Covenant with Israel made at Sinai is in view.

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