WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

LoveGodsWord · Oct 24, 2018

COLOSSIANS 2 continued PART 3/3

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COLOSSIANS 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath day{s} plural: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbath{s}, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

The old covenant (MOSAIC ordinances for remission of sin) was to pass away..

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10:4 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13:9 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6:55 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECHARIAH 9:9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no waterVerse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12:23 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22:19 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices.

MORE SCRIPTURE CLICK ME?

.................

CONCLUSION: COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

Brother, can you see your error now in your interpretation of COL 2:16-17?

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you. This is only sent with all respect and love

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

JLB777 · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
They are new converts they will learn more about God as Moses is preached when? EVERY SABBATH.

For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 15:21

Has anyone ever become a disciple of Christ by sitting in a synagogue having Moses read by unbelieving Jews?

That’s the point, ...Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath, yet no one has ever been able to obey the law.

Had = past tense.

The law of Moses was abolished on the cross.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15

again

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:14

What was “against us” was the law of Moses (us being Jews living in the land of Israel, as Gentiles were never under the law).

Paul distinctly refers to the entire law of Moses, by using the phrase,
“handwriting of requirements that was against us”.

He is quoting from Deuteronomy 31:26, where Moses gives Joshua final instructions.

“Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

God made the seventh day as a day of rest for Himself, in Genesis.

The word Sabbath was unique to the law of Moses and has been abolished.

We do not find the word Sabbath used in Genesis.

JLB

JLB777 · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
COLOSSIANS 2 continued PART 3/3

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COLOSSIANS 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath day{s} plural: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbath{s}, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

The old covenant (MOSAIC ordinances for remission of sin) was to pass away..

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10:4 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13:9 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6:55 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECHARIAH 9:9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no waterVerse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12:23 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22:19 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices.

MORE SCRIPTURE CLICK ME?

.................

CONCLUSION: COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

Brother, can you see your error now in your interpretation of COL 2:16-17?

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you. This is only sent with all respect and love

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Please show us one scripture from Jesus or His Apostles where the Church is commanded to observe the Sabbath.

What point are you making about the Sabbath?

That the Church should do no work on the Sabbath?

That the Church is to assemble for a Church service on the Sabbath?

No one here has ever seen you make a point about the Sabbath.

I honestly don’t think you even know what your saying.

There is no commandment from Jesus for the Church to keep the Sabbath?

Jesus has given us rest.

Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

The context of this rest has to do with the Sabbath.

Jesus is our peace and rest.

Trying to keep the Sabbath is not peace and rest.

Ask any Jew who has tried.

JLB

JLB777 · Oct 25, 2018

Jesus is our rest and peace.

parousia70 · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
COLOSSIANS 2 continued PART 3/3

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COLOSSIANS 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath day{s} plural: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbath{s}, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

The old covenant (MOSAIC ordinances for remission of sin) was to pass away..

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10:4 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13:9 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6:55 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECHARIAH 9:9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no waterVerse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12:23 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22:19 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices.

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CONCLUSION: COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

Brother, can you see your error now in your interpretation of COL 2:16-17?

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you. This is only sent with all respect and love

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

That sure is a whole lot of dancing around you need to to do to justify excising plain, direct scripture from your Bible and claiming it meaningless, non binding and irrelevant.

I find it much better to simply take the scripture at it's face value and believe.

Here it is again for our reader's edification:

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Plain, simple, direct and authoritative.
And I choose to believe it.
You are of course free to reject it.

But after your whirlwind post(s) going all over the map to create excuses for your rejection of what this plain text is teaching, I'm reminded of the verse immediately following...

.... Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Danthemailman · Oct 25, 2018

JLB777 said:
Jesus is our rest and peace.

Yes and Hebrews 4:9 uses the word sabbatismos (Sabbath rest) rather than sabbaton (Sabbath day). *Sabbatismos is only used once in the Bible. *Had the writer of Hebrews desired to emphasize the seventh day for sacred worship, the word sabbaton would have been used. Hebrews 4 tells us there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and here the Sabbath rest is the perpetual rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with Jesus Christ, in contrast to keeping the weekly seventh day Sabbath under the Law.

parousia70 · Oct 25, 2018

JLB777 said:
Please show us one scripture from Jesus or His Apostles where the Church is commanded to observe the Sabbath.

What point are you making about the Sabbath?

That the Church should do no work on the Sabbath?

That the Church is to assemble for a Church service on the Sabbath?

No one here has ever seen you make a point about the Sabbath.

I honestly don’t think you even know what your saying.

There is no commandment from Jesus for the Church to keep the Sabbath?

Jesus has given us rest.

Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

The context of this rest has to do with the Sabbath.

Jesus is our peace and rest.

Trying to keep the Sabbath is not peace and rest.

Ask any Jew who has tried.

JLB

Indeed. All great Points.

My main question of the Sunday Worship rejectors is "where do you find scriptural instruction to abandon Sunday Worship?"

One is still and always allowed to pay honor to Saturday. I don't think you'll find any Christian here who would argue otherwise.
However, the apostolic church of scripture established a special day of worship of Jesus on His Resurrection Day. Many here seem to have broken away from this apostolic custom. Denial of Sunday worship is a major departure from historic apostolic tradition.

Again, My main question to our friend @LoveGodsWord and those who hold the same position, would be, where is the scriptural instruction to REJECT and abandon the apostles' custom of Sunday Worship?

No matter how one chooses to recognize Saturday, we know for sure that the first Christians had a special practice of worshiping Jesus on the day of all days: Sunday, His Resurrection Day. Any departure from this practice is a major departure from apostolic, historic Christianity.

From both the Bible and history we know they gathered on Sunday, and we know that the Lord's Resurrection Day was Sunday. Moreover, the early Christians everywhere met on Sunday to honor the Lord's Resurrection Day, according to historical records. There was never any controversy about honoring Jesus' Resurrection on Sundays until modern times.

Did they ALSO keep a Saturday observation of some kind? It appears that many did. But did they need to follow the customs of Moses concerning Saturday Sabbath? No. (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29). Could they be judged for not keeping the Sabbath as the customs of Moses prescribed? No they could not. (Col 2:16-17). Was there a newfound liberty concerning the Jewish system of days and foods? Yes (Rom. 14).

The Council of Jerusalem made a sovereign, Holy-Spirit inspired decree that the customs of Moses did not need to be followed by the Gentiles (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29). This gave them liberty in how to treat the day of rest. (Plus, "Shabbat" just means "rest" or "inactivity.") Moreover, it is clear that even the Jewish apostles would cease honoring Mosaic customs when not in jewish company but would keep them when surrounded by their own countrymen (Gal 2:11-16).

The early Christians followed the apostolic tradition of making Sunday a big day of celebration of the Lord's Resurrection. The Lord wasn't resurrected on Saturday.

If our friend @LoveGodsWord would simply ADD SUNDAY to his own religious calendar while continuing to keep Saturday the way he does, it seems to me that would bring him back in line with apostolic teaching, and remove the inherent contradiction in his position.

Saint Steven · Oct 25, 2018

parousia70 said:
That sure is a whole lot of dancing around you need to to do to justify excising plain, direct scripture from your Bible and claiming it meaningless, non binding and irrelevant.

I find it much better to simply take the scripture at it's face value and believe.

Here it is again for our reader's edification:

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Plain, simple, direct and authoritative.
And I choose to believe it.
You are of course free to reject it.

But after your whirlwind post(s) going all over the map to create excuses for your rejection of what this plain text is teaching, I'm reminded of the verse immediately following...

.... Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

That's good, "... a whole lot of dancing around..."

The whole law is a shadow, not just the parts they want to do away with.

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. ...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

JLB777 said:
For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” Acts 15:21

As shown in post # 779 linked click me, the scriptures clearly show that the reason and context of ACTS 15 is over the question of "IS CIRCUMCISION FROM THE LAW OF MOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION and that PAUL and BARNABAS went to Jerusalem over this question *ACTS 15:1-2; 5. It was not over any other question or weather the ten commandments should be obeyed or not obeyed. The outcome of the meeting between the disciples in Jerusalem was that NO CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers but that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood *ACTS 15:20. WHY? Because Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day *ACTS 15:21. They were to continue to learn the WORD of God every Sabbath.

NOTE: The bible in the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES and new believers was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. It was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW TESTAMENT. EVERYTHING that we have today in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT writings. Not only did the early believers [including NEW Gentile believers] meet to hear the Word of God in the Synagogue each Sabbath, they also met from house to house every day of the week *ACTS 2:46-47

JLB777 said:
Has anyone ever become a disciple of Christ by sitting in a synagogue having Moses read by unbelieving Jews?

Of course they have. Where do you think that the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from? Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. The OLD Testament scriptures were the bible of JESUS and the APOSTLES and new believers. Remember Philip's conversion of the Ethiopian reading ISAIAH?

ACTS 8:32-36 [32], The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: [33], In his humiliation his justice was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[34], And the eunuch asked Philip, and said, I pray you, of whom speaks the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
[35], Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.[36], And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what does hinder me to be baptized?

NOTE: Yep seems they are preaching JESUS alright from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures don't you think?

JLB777 said:
The law of Moses was abolished on the cross.

The MOSAIC BOOK of the shadow LAWS from the OLD COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. Your mixing up the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. They lead us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16.

*If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is.
*If you have no knowledge of what sin is you do not know your a sinner.
*If you do not know your a sinner you have no need of a Saviour.
*If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation.
*If you have no salvation you are lost because you are still in your sins and the scripture is fulfilled;

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

JLB777 said:
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15

again

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:14

What was “against us” was the law of Moses (us being Jews living in the land of Israel, as Gentiles were never under the law).

Once again [see previous section] your mixing up the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour.

Both EPHESIANS 2:15 and COLOSSIANS 2:14 say...

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15], Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

NOTE: We are talking about the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES here.

COLOSSIANS 2:14 [14], Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

NOTE: Again in both cases in COLOSSIANS 2:14 and EPHESIANS 2:15 we are also talking about the handwriting or laws contained in ORDINANCES that were nailed to the cross.

These are in reference to the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. NOT GOD'S eternal law the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Let's see why?

THE GREEK word for ORDINANCE is both COLOSSIANS 2:14 and EPHESIANS 2:15 is δόγμα dogma which means a CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAW. NOT God's 10 COMMANDMENTS.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

JLB777 said:
Paul distinctly refers to the entire law of Moses, by using the phrase, “handwriting of requirements that was against us”.

No not at all brother. Your mixing up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour. The word ORDINANCE δόγμα used and handwriting χειρόγραφον in the GREEK mean CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS written in a MANUSCRIPT not written by God finger on two tables of stone.

JLB777 said:
He is quoting from Deuteronomy 31:26, where Moses gives Joshua final instructions. “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Brother you do know don't you that the book of the law was indeed placed in the side of the ARK [house] of the COVENANT but God's eternal law (the Ten Commandments) were placed INSIDE the ARK of the COVENANT. Can you see how they were always separated? *DEUTERONOMY 10:5; DEUTERONOMY 31:26.

JLB777 said:
God made the seventh day as a day of rest for Himself, in Genesis. The word Sabbath was unique to the law of Moses and has been abolished.

No not at all brother. God's WORD [JESUS] says that the Sabbath was made for mankind.
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

JLB777 said:
We do not find the word Sabbath used in Genesis.

Brother, the root HEBREW word for Sabbath is שׁבת shâbath or rest it means to repose; rest celebrate keep Sabbath. While the HEBREW word used in God's 4th Commandment is שׁבּת shabbâth which comes from the root word שׁבת shâbath [rest celebrate Sabbath] and simply means from one Sabbath rest to another or EVERY SABBATH. Another Words God's 4th Commandment is EVERY SEVENTH DAY.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

JLB777 said:
Please show us one scripture from Jesus or His Apostles where the Church is commanded to observe the Sabbath.

You seem to be repeating yourself from questions already answered. Please see post # 764 linked click me. If you disagree with the scriptures provided please feel free to respond to the post which already addresses your quote above.

JLB777 said:
What point are you making about the Sabbath? That the Church should do no work on the Sabbath? That the Church is to assemble for a Church service on the Sabbath? No one here has ever seen you make a point about the Sabbath. I honestly don’t think you even know what your saying.

Already answered earlier. Please see post # 764 linked click me.

JLB777 said:
Jesus has given us rest. Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30 The context of this rest has to do with the Sabbath. Jesus is our peace and rest. Trying to keep the Sabbath is not peace and rest. Ask any Jew who has tried. JLB

There is only rest in Christ. He is the LORD of the Sabbath. He commands his people to keep the SEVENTH DAY as a HOLY DAY or rest as a memorial of creation and that we worship the only true GOD *EXODUS 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's eternal laws that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour. We only have rest by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. Those who say then know God while breaking any of God's LAW do not know God and have not seen him *1 JOHN 2:3-4; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:3-9.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

parousia70 said:
That sure is a whole lot of dancing around you need to to do to justify excising plain, direct scripture from your Bible and claiming it meaningless, non binding and irrelevant.

I find it much better to simply take the scripture at it's face value and believe.

Here it is again for our reader's edification:

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Plain, simple, direct and authoritative.
And I choose to believe it.
You are of course free to reject it.

But after your whirlwind post(s) going all over the map to create excuses for your rejection of what this plain text is teaching, I'm reminded of the verse immediately following...

.... Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Not really brother. You were provided with a detailed breakdown of the within scripture and chapter context of COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 that you left out of your interpretation of the scriptures.

The scriptures provided to you link PAUL'S references that he was discussing from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures to the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. If you disagree with anything I have posted please respond to the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.

Simply ignoring God's WORD when it disagrees with your interpretation of COLOSSIANS 2 does not make these scriptures magically dissappear. They are God's WORD not mine and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Your claims in your post here are false ones and have been shown as such through the scriptures already provided.

* SCIPTURE SUPPORT HERE 1.
* SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE 2.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

Brother there is really no need to be unkind in your posts and accusations. I am happy to share the scriptures with you and have a discussion with you which is all I have done. If you do not want me to share God's WORD with you then you are free to believe as you wish and we do not need to continue this discussion. We all answer only to God come judgment day. I do not judge you or anyone here. It is the WORD of GOD however that will be our judge come judgment day if we reject it *JOHN 12:47-48

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you. This is only sent with all respect and love.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

Danthemailman said:
Yes and Hebrews 4:9 uses the word sabbatismos (Sabbath rest) rather than sabbaton (Sabbath day). *Sabbatismos is only used once in the Bible. *Had the writer of Hebrews desired to emphasize the seventh day for sacred worship, the word sabbaton would have been used. Hebrews 4 tells us there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and here the Sabbath rest is the perpetual rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with Jesus Christ, in contrast to keeping the weekly seventh day Sabbath under the Law.

Actually nope. Your missing out the context from HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 let's have a detailed look at the scriptures and see why?

HEBREWS 3 AND HEBREWS 4 THE GOSPEL AND THE SABBABTH

HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.

For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...

Hebrews 3
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3
v8-10 God's people in the wilderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF

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WHAT IS HIS REST (God's) IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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INTERLINEAR HEBREWS 4:9

αρα απολειπεται σαββατισμος τω λαω του θεου
So then there remains a Sabbath rest to the people - of God

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Parallel translations of HEBREWS 4:9

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

International Standard Version
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,

NET Bible
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.

New Heart English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

New American Standard 1977
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

American Standard Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Darby Bible Translation
There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God.

English Revised Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Weymouth New Testament
It follows that there still remains a sabbath rest for the people of God.

World English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Young's Literal Translation
there doth remain, then, a Sabbatic rest to the people of God,

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continuing...

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: Yep lots of scripture here showing that if you do not enter into God's Gospel rest you cannot enter his SABBATH REST. v 1-4 is the context of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH confirmed in v9-11 Hebrews 3-4 is talking about the Gospel and the keeping of God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. "There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief" v9-11. HEBREWS 4 supports the keeping of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by believing and following the Word of God.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

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Now let's compare Matthew 11:28-30 with Hebrews 4

MATTHEW 11:28-30 [28], Come to me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29], Take my yoke on you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. [30], For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

STRONGS GREEK REST meaning; G373 ἀναπαύω anapauo (a-na-pav'-ō) v. 1. (reflexively) to repose, to rest. 2. (literally or figuratively) to be exempt, to remain. 3. (by implication) to refresh. [from G303 and G3973] KJV: take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest Root(s): G303, G3973

G303 ἀνά ana (a-na') prep. 1. (properly) up. 2. (by extension, used distributively) amidst or severally, etc. 3. (by implication, as a prefix) (it often means) repetition (again), intensity, reversal, etc. 4. apiece. 5. (of combined motion) back. 6. (with G3319) through (the midst).

G3973 παύω pauo (pav'-ō) v. to stop, i.e. restrain, quit, desist, come to an end.
{transitively or intransitively} [a primary verb (“pause”)] KJV: cease, leave, refrain

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Now compare this GREEK word used here to the one used in Hebrews 4:9...

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

The Greek Word used here is different.

STRONGS GREEK/HEBERW REST meaning of Hebrews 4:9; G4520 σαββατισμός sabbatismos (sab-ba-tiz-mos') n. 1. a “sabbatism.” 2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven). [from a derivative of G4521] σάββατον sabbaton (saɓ'-ɓa-ton) n. 1. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath). 2. a day of weekly repose from secular avocations. 3. the observance or institution itself. 4. (by extension) a week, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths. 5. likewise the plural in all the above applications.

[of Hebrew origin (H7676)] שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.

[intensive from H7673] H7673 שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v. to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion. {used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)} [a primitive root] KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

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As you can see from the different GREEK words used in Matthew 11:28 and Hebrews 4:9 both words are indeed different and have a different application.

Both are similar referring to rest but the word REST in Hebrews 4:9 in is reference "Sabbatismos" which is the "REST" specifically found in God's Sabbath the 4th Commandment that refers right back the Hebrew WORD used for rest in Genesis 2.

Let's look at the origin of the Sabbath and God's 4th Commandment...

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[intensive from H7673] H7673 שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v. to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion. {used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)} [a primitive root] KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The above HEBREW meaning is the base root of Sabbatismos from the GREEK word used in Hebrews 4:9 which is referring right back to the origin of God's Sabbath in Genesis 2 and God's 4th Commandment in Exodus 20:8-11.

The meaning here is the REST that comes specifically from BELIEVING and OBEYING Gods WORD' from God's 4th Commandment Sabbath. This is the SABBATH rest according to the commandment.

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You have no peace because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. We ONLY have rest in Christ if we BELIEVE and FOLLOW Jesus. Those who are still in their SINS do not KNOW God and are like the troubled see that have no peace.

ISAIAH 57:20-21
20, But the wicked (SINNERS) are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. [21], There is no peace, said my God, to the wicked.

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

Saint Steven said:
That's good, "... a whole lot of dancing around..."

The whole law is a shadow, not just the parts they want to do away with.

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. ...

Hello Steve,

You are mixing up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. They lead us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16.

*If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is.
*If you have no knowledge of what sin is you do not know your a sinner.
*If you do not know your a sinner you have no need of a Saviour.
*If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation.
*If you have no salvation you are lost because you are still in your sins and the scripture is fulfilled;

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

parousia70 said:
My main question of the Sunday Worship rejectors is "where do you find scriptural instruction to abandon Sunday Worship?" One is still and always allowed to pay honor to Saturday. I don't think you'll find any Christian here who would argue otherwise. Again, My main question to our friend @LoveGodsWord and those who hold the same position, would be, where is the scriptural instruction to REJECT and abandon the apostles' custom of Sunday Worship?

Hello parousia70, where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? If there is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and there is no scripture that says that we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day then you have no argument do you?

Now you should know that SUNDAY Worship is a man made traditions that has no command in the scriptures to practice it and it is JESUS himself that says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God than we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Sunday Worship is a traditions and teaching handed down to Protestantism by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). There is no command in all of God's WORD to follow it and this is agreed to by the RCC.

CONFESSIONS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

parousia70 said:
However, the apostolic church of scripture established a special day of worship of Jesus on His Resurrection Day. Many here seem to have broken away from this apostolic custom. Denial of Sunday worship is a major departure from historic apostolic tradition.

If that were true you would be able to show the scripture commandment that says God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY? Where is the scripture?

parousia70 said:
No matter how one chooses to recognize Saturday, we know for sure that the first Christians had a special practice of worshiping Jesus on the day of all days: Sunday, His Resurrection Day. Any departure from this practice is a major departure from apostolic, historic Christianity. From both the Bible and history we know they gathered on Sunday, and we know that the Lord's Resurrection Day was Sunday. Moreover, the early Christians everywhere met on Sunday to honor the Lord's Resurrection Day, according to historical records. There was never any controversy about honoring Jesus' Resurrection on Sundays until modern times.

Which ever way you wish to say it brother only God's WORD is true. God's people have always kept God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH from 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 with origin from creation, unbroken since GENESIS 2:1-3 to today.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

parousia70 said:
Did they ALSO keep a Saturday observation of some kind? It appears that many did. But did they need to follow the customs of Moses concerning Saturday Sabbath? No. (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29).

God's 10 Commandments are God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour.

The context of ACTS 15 is over the question of "IS CIRCUMCISION FROM THE LAW OF MOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION and that PAUL and BARNABAS went to Jerusalem over this question *ACTS 15:1-2; 5. It was not over any other question or weather the ten commandments should be obeyed or not obeyed. The outcome of the meeting between the disciples in Jerusalem was that NO CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers but that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood *ACTS 15:20. WHY? Because Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day *ACTS 15:21. They were to continue to learn the WORD of God every Sabbath.

NOTE: The bible in the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES and new believers was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. It was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW TESTAMENT. EVERYTHING that we have today in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT writings. Not only did the early believers [including NEW Gentile believers] meet to hear the Word of God in the Synagogue each Sabbath, they also met from house to house every day of the week *ACTS 2:46-47

parousia70 said:
Could they be judged for not keeping the Sabbath as the customs of Moses prescribed? No they could not. (Col 2:16-17). Was there a newfound liberty concerning the Jewish system of days and foods? Yes (Rom. 14).

Your only repeating yourself here brother without addressing the posts and scriptures provided that disagree with you showing the context you have left out of your interpretation of the scriptures earlier. If you disagree with what I have previously posted please feel free to respond and show why you disagree if you like. If cannot then maybe you should consider if your interpretation is correct or not. Otherwise how can we have a discussion if you are not willing to respond to my posts that disagree with you? If you cannot respond it is ok, we will have to agree to disagree. You are free to do and believe as you wish.

COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 already addressed earlier scripture support and posts provided below

* SCIPTURE SUPPORT HERE 1.
* SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE 2.

parousia70 said:
The Council of Jerusalem made a sovereign, Holy-Spirit inspired decree that the customs of Moses did not need to be followed by the Gentiles (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29). This gave them liberty in how to treat the day of rest. (Plus, "Shabbat" just means "rest" or "inactivity.") Moreover, it is clear that even the Jewish apostles would cease honoring Mosaic customs when not in jewish company but would keep them when surrounded by their own countrymen (Gal 2:11-16).

You are only releating yourself again here brother. This ACTS 15 has been discussed in great details in the posts and scripture provided to you in post # 779 linked click me.

As shown earlier, the context of ACTS 15 is over the question of "IS CIRCUMCISION FROM THE LAW OF MOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION and that PAUL and BARNABAS went to Jerusalem over this question *ACTS 15:1-2; 5. It was not over any other question or weather the ten commandments should be obeyed or not obeyed. The outcome of the meeting between the disciples in Jerusalem was that NO CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers but that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood *ACTS 15:20. WHY? Because Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day *ACTS 15:21. They were to continue to learn the WORD of God every Sabbath. There is no reference in ACTS 15 that says Gentile believers are free to break God's eternal law (10 Commandments).

God's 10 Commandments are not a JEWISH Custom they are God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. ROMANS 6:1-2; ROMANS 3:31. ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23. Those who live a life of known unrepentant sin will not enter in to God's KINGDOM because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son *HEBREWS 10:26:27; ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-9.

Please feel free to respond brother. This is only sent in love.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Cis.jd · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
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Do you mind doing me a favor?
Can you quote Colossians 2:16, and tell me what do you think it means?

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2018

Cis.jd said:
Do you mind doing me a favor?
Can you quote Colossians 2:16, and tell me what do you think it means?

Hello brother Cis.jd,

Nice to see you here. This question has already been addressed in detail with scripture linking OLD and NEW Testament scriptures to where Paul is quoting from and also showing the within scripture and chapter Context of COLOSSIANS 2. Please see the linked posts below for your consideration

* COL 2:14-17 SCRIPTURE SUPPORT 1.
* COL 2:14-17 SCRIPTURE SUPPORT 2.

The Sabbath in COL 2:16 were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were ceremonial special sabbath connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps.

JLB777 · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
As shown in post # 779 linked click me, the scriptures clearly show that the reason and context of ACTS 15 is over the question of "IS CIRCUMCISION FROM THE LAW OF MOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION and that PAUL and BARNABAS went to Jerusalem over this question *ACTS 15:1-2; 5. It was not over any other question or weather the ten commandments should be obeyed or not obeyed. The outcome of the meeting between the disciples in Jerusalem was that NO CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers but that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood *ACTS 15:20. WHY? Because Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day *ACTS 15:21. They were to continue to learn the WORD of God every Sabbath.

NOTE: The bible in the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES and new believers was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. It was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW TESTAMENT. EVERYTHING that we have today in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT writings. Not only did the early believers [including NEW Gentile believers] meet to hear the Word of God in the Synagogue each Sabbath, they also met from house to house every day of the week *ACTS 2:46-47

Of course they have. Where do you think that the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from? Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. The OLD Testament scriptures were the bible of JESUS and the APOSTLES and new believers. Remember Philip's conversion of the Ethiopian reading ISAIAH?

ACTS 8:32-36 [32], The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: [33], In his humiliation his justice was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[34], And the eunuch asked Philip, and said, I pray you, of whom speaks the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
[35], Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.[36], And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what does hinder me to be baptized?

NOTE: Yep seems they are preaching JESUS alright from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures don't you think?

The MOSAIC BOOK of the shadow LAWS from the OLD COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. Your mixing up the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. They lead us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16.

*If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is.
*If you have no knowledge of what sin is you do not know your a sinner.
*If you do not know your a sinner you have no need of a Saviour.
*If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation.
*If you have no salvation you are lost because you are still in your sins and the scripture is fulfilled;

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Once again [see previous section] your mixing up the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour.

Both EPHESIANS 2:15 and COLOSSIANS 2:14 say...

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15], Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

NOTE: We are talking about the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES here.

COLOSSIANS 2:14 [14], Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

NOTE: Again in both cases in COLOSSIANS 2:14 and EPHESIANS 2:15 we are also talking about the handwriting or laws contained in ORDINANCES that were nailed to the cross.

These are in reference to the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. NOT GOD'S eternal law the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Let's see why?

THE GREEK word for ORDINANCE is both COLOSSIANS 2:14 and EPHESIANS 2:15 is δόγμα dogma which means a CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAW. NOT God's 10 COMMANDMENTS.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

No not at all brother. Your mixing up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no law you have no gospel and no saviour. The word ORDINANCE δόγμα used and handwriting χειρόγραφον in the GREEK mean CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS written in a MANUSCRIPT not written by God finger on two tables of stone.

Brother you do know don't you that the book of the law was indeed placed in the side of the ARK [house] of the COVENANT but God's eternal law (the Ten Commandments) were placed INSIDE the ARK of the COVENANT. Can you see how they were always separated? *DEUTERONOMY 10:5; DEUTERONOMY 31:26.

No not at all brother. God's WORD [JESUS] says that the Sabbath was made for mankind.
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

Brother, the root HEBREW word for Sabbath is שׁבת shâbath or rest it means to repose; rest celebrate keep Sabbath. While the HEBREW word used in God's 4th Commandment is שׁבּת shabbâth which comes from the root word שׁבת shâbath [rest celebrate Sabbath] and simply means from one Sabbath rest to another or EVERY SABBATH. Another Words God's 4th Commandment is EVERY SEVENTH DAY.

Hope this helps.

Since you have refused to answer my questions I have asked which are.

Do you believe it’s a sin to go to Church on Sunday rather than Saturday?

Do you believe it’s a sin to work on Saturday?

Do you have any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles command the Church to assemble for a Church service on the Sabbath?

Do you have any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles command the Church to do no work on the Sabbath.

Do you have any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles give specific instructions as to how the Church is observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Remember for their to be a commandment their needs to first be a command.

You have avoided answering these questions repeatedly for months, and have instead posted cut and paste scriptures that do not address these specific questions.

JLB

parousia70 · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello parousia70, where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? If there is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and there is no scripture that says that we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day then you have no argument do you?

Why the straw man here?
No one is arguing that the sabbath must not be recognized. The question is this: does it any more need to be recognized according to the Mosaic Customs? The answer is found in Acts 15, where we learn that the Mosaic customs were no longer binding (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29).

One is certainly welcome to apply certain Mosaic customs to Saturday if he/she wants, but no one is bound to do so. The Mosaic Customs were mere foreshadows of Christ and so we are not to be judged by them (Col 2:16-17); we have liberty concerning Mosaic days and foods (Romans 14); and Jesus himself taught that doing good and meeting basic human needs was acceptable practice for the Saturday sabbath (Mt 12:1-12).

Now, Why are you arguing that the Sunday Worship that the Apostles instituted be abolished?

Why not simply add Sunday to your Worship Calendar the way the apostles did?

What do you have against celebrating the first day of the week in honor of Christ's resurrection the way the apostles did?

Do you have it right while the apostles had it wrong?

Now you should know that SUNDAY Worship is a man made traditions that has no command in the scriptures to practice it and it is JESUS himself that says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God than we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings, both at 1 Cor 16:1-2, and in the breaking of bread on Sunday (Acts 20:7). This, combined with the universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day among the earliest Christians, proves what was the apostolic tradition as taught by the apostles personally to their churches (2 Thess 1:15; 1 Cor 11:2).

"Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

"I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you"

The traditions were known by the real, historical practice of the first Christians everywhere---which was Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day. This day, which was always distinct from the Mosaic Sabbath, was the premier day of Christianity, for Christ's Resurrection was the premier day of all history.

Some on this forum have tried to discount apostolic tradition, arguing that the way to know the truth is for everyone to read their bibles for themselves. And these people are quite vocal about it. But their argument falls apart once we realize that no one could read written language until modern times, nor were books able to be mass produced. Jesus used a different method of passing on his teaching. If it wasn't written language, then what other channel of communication was selected?

Jesus Christ and the apostles instituted a system for preserving and passing on His truth that didn't use books or literacy. And Jesus knew what he was doing. So, again, what channel of communication did Jesus use to preserve and pass on his truth to the human race?

One is fully welcome to pay honor to Saturday. However, the early church established a special day of worship of Jesus on His Resurrection Day. The SDAs have broken away from this apostolic custom, 1800+ years after the apostles established it. Denial of Sunday worship is a major departure from historic, apostolic tradition, that scripture commands Christians to "HOLD FAST TO".

I'll go even farther.
Revelation speaks of everyone receiving a mark that signifies unity with the evil Beast.

Everyone knows that a new "mark" arose among Christianity in recent centuries that for the first time in history caused some people to break away from Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection. This unique mark could be the one foreseen in Revelation.

Scripture and History demonstrate that while the Christian Church observed Sunday celebration of the Lord's Resurrection from the first century onward, a new practice began "marking" certain people starting in 1860, when a new sect began introducing a practice that did not originate among the early Church up to that time: a mass boycott of the Lord's Resurrection Day.

I'm becoming convinced that the Saturday Worship that this group promotes instead of the Lord's Day is so unique in Christian history as to represent a possible Mark of the Beast. The sect that launched the new movement even has a special prophet: Ellen G. White. And we all know that a false prophet figures large in the book of Revelation.

As is the constant witness of history concerning the early Christians, the standard gathering day of worship is Sunday (the Lord's Resurrection Day).

In the year 100AD, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch states:

Ingatius, Bishop of Antioch (AD 100)
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 9)

This simple statement by a bishop of one of the apostles' churches echoes that which was stated in an even earlier historic document, The Epistle of Barnabas:

Epistle of Barnabas
"Finally He [God] says to them: I cannot bear your new moons and Sabbaths. You see what he means: It is not the present Sabbaths that are acceptable to me, but the one that I have made; on that Sabbath day, which is the beginning of another world. This is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven."

And that statement is followed by many other statements on the subject by the earliest Christians of the apostolic age. Justin Martyr, in about 150 AD says: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lords supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

And this Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day continued for centuries without interruption. As Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea writes around the year AD 300: "The day of [Christs] light...was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lords day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

And so things continued through all the ecumenical councils of the early Church, and even on through the protestant reformation.

But in the 1800s, following a failed prediction of the Lord's final return in 1844, a last-days group of Americans emerged that received a new doctrine: a mass boycott of Sunday observance of the Lord's Day. The foremost proponent of the new Saturday Sabbath-keeping among early Adventists was retired sea captain Joseph Bates. Bates was introduced to the Sabbath doctrine by a tract written by a Millerite preacher named Thomas M. Preble, who in turn had been influenced by Rachel Oakes Preston, a young Seventh Day Baptist. This new message was gradually accepted and formed the topic of the first edition of the church publication The Present Truth (now the Adventist Review), which appeared in July 1849. Among its most prominent figures were James White, Ellen G. White and Joseph Bates. Ellen White came to occupy a particularly central role; her many visions and strong leadership convinced her fellow Adventists that she possessed the gift of prophecy.

Could it be that Ellen White is the False Prophet of the Book of Revelation? And how might that relate to the Beast's mark of Saturday Sabbath observance?

Saint Steven · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Steve,

You are mixing up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's eternal law makes nothing perfect but they show us our need of Christ and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. They lead us to the cross of Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16.

*If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is.
*If you have no knowledge of what sin is you do not know your a sinner.
*If you do not know your a sinner you have no need of a Saviour.
*If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation.
*If you have no salvation you are lost because you are still in your sins and the scripture is fulfilled;

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Hope this helps.

They aren't "my" shadow laws, they are your shadow laws.
The Bible says that the WHOLE law is a shadow. Not just part.

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. …

Cis.jd · Oct 25, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother Cis.jd,

Nice to see you here. This question has already been addressed in detail with scripture linking OLD and NEW Testament scriptures to where Paul is quoting from and also showing the within scripture and chapter Context of COLOSSIANS 2. Please see the linked posts below for your consideration

* COL 2:14-17 SCRIPTURE SUPPORT 1.
* COL 2:14-17 SCRIPTURE SUPPORT 2.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.snip.

Thanks, and sorry I did not see much of this thread and just focused what was recent. I was unaware that this was discussed.

Anyway, there is nothing said in that verse about any annual or ceremonial sabbath in that verse. Everything that was listed there was generalized, such as meat, drinks.. we all know that the Mosaic bans specific meats and drinks, yet there is nothing specified in 2 Col, so logically we know he is all meats, drinks, and Sabbath etc. So in other words, you can't judge anyone on what day they chose to worship.

Your biggest verse for why we should be worshiping on Saturday is in the OT. The old covenant. If we stick to obeying the Mosaic laws we further deny who Jesus is, because he said he was the new covenant and that he fulfilled the laws, we would we continue those traditions?

Can you do me another favor, can you quote Acts 8:30-31 for me?

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