Again, you have to pluck those verses you read by Paul that says we are not saved by the Law or by works out of their context to make it say it refer to the refer to the commands of Jesus. Paul was not referring to works of faith, or the commands of Jesus. Paul was referring to the Law of Moses, or the works of the Law of Moses.
Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, and Matthew 5:48 do indeed refer to the commands of Jesus, for they speak of the law, and do not specify the law of Moses. So they would therefore be referring to the law of the New Testament as well as the Old Testament law. If anyone does not believe in Jesus Christ, trusting in His finished work to save them, then they are "under the law" and are therefore "not under grace". If they are trusting in the finished work of Christ, they are "not under the law but under grace." (Romans 6:14). Therefore if someone places himself under the law by not trusting in the finished work of Christ, he or she is required to obey the requirement that God has set forth (whether in the Old or New Testaments). But if someone places their trust in the finished work of Christ, no law will condemn them, because they are redeemed through Jesus' shed blood, even the finished work of the Cross.
Galatians 3:10 is talking about the Law of Moses and not all law.
I beg to differ.
Paul is talking about stumbling in one point in regards to Law of Loving your neighbor. Look at the context.
Yes, the context makes it refer to both loving your neighbor and the whole of the Old Testament law. It includes, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not kill" which are part of the ten commandments: therefore it is definitely referring to the ten commandments. Of course we know that Jesus, in His teaching, took the ten commandments to a higher level, bringing them home to the heart, so that simply getting angry with your brother without a cause is on the same level as murder, and lusting after a woman in your heart is on the same level as adultery.
Verses Showing How The Old Law (the Old Contract) is No More:
I believe that most, if not all, of those verses, speak of the fact that the law no longer condemns us from the outside. This is not to say that it doesn't govern us from the inside...see Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:4, Romans 8:7, Romans 5:5 w/ Romans 13:8-10.
If we have the mind of Christ, then we will not justify a doctrine or belief that says we can sin and still be saved.
If we have the mind of Christ, then we know that we are not condemned by sins that we have committed that are under the blood. If we are not saved when we do sin, then we must be perfect in order to be saved; and the moment we sin after that, we are not saved anymore. Now that means that you yourself are not saved
@Jason0047, for I don't think that you have ever been able to say that you don't sin anymore when you are asked this question, are you perfect, and do you still sin? If you sin, and we are not saved the moment we sin again, then the moment you sin, you are not saved. So you are no longer forgiven of sins that you committed before you attained perfection (which according to your own testimony you have not attained to); they are still held to your account. So are you forgiven of them again the moment you again attain to that state of "sinless perfection"? Is forgiveness based on your becoming perfect before God? If you sin again after being perfected, you would no longer be forgiven! All your sins would then condemn you and you would have to pay the penalty for all of them. So forgiveness would be based on your being perfected. And I can actually see that in scripture; but it is not very practical. Too many people are condemned according to this doctrine. Our sin is ever before us (Psalms 51:3); and therefore our only hope is forgiveness through the shed blood of Christ, not on the basis of being perfected by Him, but on the basis of what He did for us alone. We are washed and forgiven first, and then the process of sanctification happens as the result. We obey the Lord because we love Him, this is sanctification. But we love Him because He loved us first (1 John 4:19) and forgave us of much sin (Luke 7:36-50, Psalms 25:11). He will not impute sin to the believer, as a matter of fact (Romans 4:8). And this means that present and future sins are forgiven. Also things present and things to come cannot separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:38-39). Therefore if we sin in the present or in the future, that is a thing present or a thing to come and it will not separate us. Of course this only applies to those whose sins are under the blood, who have been made into new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). It is possible for someone who is a new creature to walk according to the old man (who he used to be); although it is not ideal. And when or if he does, the Holy Spirit will bring him back to relationship, and his standing before God has always been secure. For (Romans 4:5) the Lord justifies the ungodly, our faith is counted as righteousness even when we blow it; our identity in Christ is that we are righteous in Him; and the next step is for us to live like we are who He says we are in Him (1 John 3:7).
For do you not believe that King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?
I believe that he was a son; but that he was dead and lost as concerned relationship (so no, in that sense he was not saved). However, if he was alive spiritually before committing adultery and murder (which I believe that he was), and also died spiritually when he committed adultery and murder, then how did he return to God? It would have been impossible for him to do so according to Hebrews 6:1-8! This is an interesting dilemma in scripture and a primary reason why I side with Calvinism on not a few issues.
Do you not believe the OSAS interpretation on
1 John 1:8 that says we will always be in some kind of sin in this life or have sin in our life?
1 John 1:8 is not in contradiction to 1 John 3:9. It is saying that we are indwelt by the element of sin in our mortal flesh; but that we do not have to be obedient to that element within us: we are capable, if we have the Holy Spirit, of living according to the Holy Spirit rather than according to the element of sin that dwells within us (the flesh).
It is against the forum rules to suggest or imply that a person who has already declared they are a Christian in their profile that they are not Christian. I have stated that I am a Non-Denominational Christian in my profile (Which you can see in the short bio of each of my posts). I was referring to their identity (Christians) and then I was referring to their beliefs.
I was referring to a certain group of Christians of here. I was not saying I was not Christian. Nowhere did I say that. That is you thinking the wrong thing. I accepted Christ in 1992 as my Savior by a Chick tract called "
This was your life."
Sorry, I did not suggest or imply that you were not a Christian. It simply appeared to me that your own statement implied that you were not. Because you placed the word "you" in front of the word "Christians" rather than the word "we". What was I supposed to think? It seemed to me that you were disassociating yourself from the designation of Christian in your post. So I asked you to clarify.
This will be my last set of replies to you in this thread.
That is fine.
