Israel is Supposed to be Surrounded!

You know most of the Christians in the area are Palestinians?

Hi read through your post on your link and agree with the future view of the events coming and that Satan and the antichrist are still future. Some of your points I disagree with but that is cool as the main emphasis is to be ready and right to meet the LORD. The Bible says Satan came to lie, steal and destroy and the seal judgments come before the authority and dominion is given to him for 42 months. It would seem over 2 billion deaths contradicts your opinion that Satan does not care to kill anyone. The lying sings and wonders probably do not come until the mid point of the tribulation or Daniels 70th week. The 70th week of Daniel begins when he the prince that shall come confirms a covenant with the many for one week. In the middle of the week is when the abomination of desolation occurs and that is when he will declare himself to be a god of sorts. It is at this point the mark and image of the beast is set up. So it would seen the signs and wonders occur at this point. Satan is not wrestling with Michael right now. He is like in Job going to and fro throughout the earth and is the accuser of the brethren. He is kicked out of his access to heaven in Rev and then is set on bringing as much pain to the earth as possible for his time is short. The binding of Satan comes at the end of the 1000 years. That which is restraining is taken out of the way and it is like the LORD lifting the hedge around Job so that the limits are taken away from what may be done. Many good scholars disagree on the timing of Ezekiel 37-39 so that will be interesting to see when it occurs and perhaps it may have a dual fulfillment.

David Cabrera said:

You know most of the Christians in the area are Palestinians?

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When the italians came to America they still identified as Italian Americans. Same with Mexican, African and all. The people you are calling Palestinian may have been born in Israel but they all immigrated from other nations. They had no government or coinage or flag or anything other then migrant status and have never been a nation. Israel has maintained a Jewish population for 3500 years and when you dig in the drit archeology confirms one nation not two.

James Honigman said:

It's Biblical! Especially for these end times we are living in, for Israel must be surrounded by her enemies to fulfill the end time prophecies assigned to her. If we read the Holy Bible with understanding we know that the final tribulations begin with Israel being attacked. Where is this written, one might ask? The most obvious place is Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39, but there are many other places in many books of the Bible. Read Daniel, Psalms, Zechariah and Micah for a few places. Our Heavenly Father does not leave us down here guessing what will be happening on earth when the tribulations begin, He plainly told us. There is nothing that shall be hid . . .
If interested, please go to my website, www.sataniscoming.com, and click unto the pages titled, "Israel surrounded by her enemies", and/or "The Palestinians" for more.

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I read your website. You need an editor and a proof reader.

You confuse the Psalm 83 attack by an Islamic confederation, with the Ezekiel 38 to 39 attack by a Northern army. They are separate attacks, perhaps 5 years apart.

We won't need to guess about God's plans for us after His Day of wrath; the Sixth Seal world changing event, because He promises to open our eyes and unstop our ears after it. Jeremiah 23:20, Isaiah 29:23-24, Isaiah 32:3-4, Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not for the Lord comes to save you, with HIs vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

James Honigman said:

It's Biblical! Especially for these end times we are living in, for Israel must be surrounded by her enemies to fulfill the end time prophecies assigned to her.

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It was, in the lifetimes of those to whom our Lord gave the prophecy. He was talking to them, not us. We 21st century Americans like to imagine that our Lord turned toward the camera to address His audience millennia later, and that what He said was meaningless to those whose questions He was answering. Not so. When He said “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”, He was answering a question put to Him by His disciples.

Our Lord had told His followers: "As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." In response, "they asked Him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?" When He referred to "you" in answer, He wasn't addressing us, He was addressing the people standing in front of Him. And sure enough, in all probability many of His hearers saw Jerusalem surrounded by Roman legions, and the Temple utterly destroyed.

Brian Mcnamee said:

When the italians came to America they still identified as Italian Americans. Same with Mexican, African and all. The people you are calling Palestinian may have been born in Israel but they all immigrated from other nations. They had no government or coinage or flag or anything other then migrant status and have never been a nation. Israel has maintained a Jewish population for 3500 years and when you dig in the drit archeology confirms one nation not two.

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Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.


1Ti_1:4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.

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BABerean2 said:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.


1Ti_1:4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.

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There are two promises to Abraham's seed one that they will become a great nation and that promise is tied to the land and the descendants of the 12 patriarch. The other is in your seed all the nations of the world will blessed. This is why the genealogy of the seed of the woman connects with Abraham as the same seed singular will crush the head of the serpent. I see a fork in the road here with separate prophecies for the national descendants and others regarding the seed which is Christ.

Brian Mcnamee said:

There are two promises to Abraham's seed one that they will become a great nation and that promise is tied to the land and the descendants of the 12 patriarch. The other is in your seed all the nations of the world will blessed. This is why the genealogy of the seed of the woman connects with Abraham as the same seed singular will crush the head of the serpent. I see a fork in the road here with separate prophecies for the national descendants and others regarding the seed which is Christ.

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Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

In the passage below Abraham's seed reveals that He is the "heir" to the land.
He also reveals that the kingdom will be taken from those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone", and it will be given to another nation bearing fruit.

Mat 21:37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
Mat 21:38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.'
Mat 21:39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mat 21:40 "Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?"
Mat 21:41 They said to Him, "He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons."
Mat 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. THIS WAS THE LORD'S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES' ?
Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.


The "Holy nation" which accepts the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

You are trying to give the kingdom back to those who reject the Son.

What you are promoting is a form of Dual Covenant Theology.
The scripture below shows the doctrine to be in error.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.


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Jerusalem was surrounded, 70AD was the date. That was / is the central point of Israel. People concentrate too much on 'end times'. Its misinterpreted.

BABerean2 said:

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

In the passage below Abraham's seed reveals that He is the "heir" to the land.
He also reveals that the kingdom will be taken from those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone", and it will be given to another nation bearing fruit.

Mat 21:37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
Mat 21:38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.'
Mat 21:39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mat 21:40 "Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?"
Mat 21:41 They said to Him, "He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons."
Mat 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. THIS WAS THE LORD'S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES' ?
Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.


The "Holy nation" which accepts the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

You are trying to give the kingdom back to those who reject the Son.

What you are promoting is a form of Dual Covenant Theology.
The scripture below shows the doctrine to be in error.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.


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HI the return of the LORD to establish the kingdom and reign from Jerusalem is coming. I can cut and paste many many scriptures that are unfulfilled that make no sense is the church is now Israel in the covenants and promises. I agree that there is a spiritual seed of Abraham that is for all the saved but the destiny of national Israel is not annulled by that idea. ill post a few scriptures and see what you think,

1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.[fn]
6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the LORD—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The LORD is one,”
And His name one.
10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem[fn] shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the LORD’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts.[fn] Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the LORD of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.[fn]
19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the LORD will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the LORD in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the LORD and perform it. 22 And the LORD will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the LORD, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”

hosea 1
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-Ruhamah, she conceived and bore a son. 9 Then God said:
“Call his name Lo-Ammi,[fn]
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.
“Yet the number of the children of Israel
Shall be as the sand of the sea,
Which cannot be measured or numbered.
And it shall come to pass
In the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’[fn]
There it shall be said to them,
‘You are sons of the living God.’
11 Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!


When you read Zech 14 and think of this deliverance and compare it to the promised deliverance that Jesus would bring to Israel the ltieral again makes sense.

Luke 1
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

Ezekiel 36 could not be more specific that it is talking about national Israel.
“Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, and the valleys, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I have spoken in My jealousy and My fury, because you have borne the shame of the nations.” 7 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “I have raised My hand in an oath that surely the nations that are around you shall bear their own shame. 8 But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. 9 For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. 10 I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. 11 I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do better for you than at your beginnings. Then you shall know that I am the LORD. 12 Yes, I will cause men to walk on you, My people Israel; they shall take possession of you, and you shall be their inheritance; no more shall you bereave them of children.”
13 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they say to you, ‘You devour men and bereave your nation of children,’ 14 therefore you shall devour men no more, nor bereave your nation anymore,” says the Lord GOD. 15 “Nor will I let you hear the taunts of the nations anymore, nor bear the reproach of the peoples anymore, nor shall you cause your nation to stumble anymore,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”
16 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD,” says the Lord GOD, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord GOD, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
33 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the LORD, have spoken it, and I will do it.”

In Zechariah 14 a key line when the LORD is king over all the earth is in that day the LORD is one. Israel sees Jesus withe scars and all coming to save them. This is where the great mourning is turned to joy that Isaiah 61 talks about. it is just like when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers. The LORD will sit on the throne of David which is an earthly throne. His kingdom is one that lasts forever and he reigns for 1000 years on earth and then the kingdom moves to the new Jerusalem.

Brian Mcnamee said:

In Zechariah 14 a key line when the LORD is king over all the earth is in that day the LORD is one. Israel sees Jesus withe scars and all coming to save them. This is where the great mourning is turned to joy that Isaiah 61 talks about. it is just like when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers. The LORD will sit on the throne of David which is an earthly throne. His kingdom is one that lasts forever and he reigns for 1000 years on earth and then the kingdom moves to the new Jerusalem.

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The above is a nice story.
The problem is that it stands in direct contradiction to the words of Christ and the New Testament authors.

In the parable of the virgins of Matthew 25:1-13 Christ reveals that they must be ready before He comes.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul describes Christ returning "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

Based on these two passages nobody will come to salvation at the moment of His Second Coming.

Many quote Zechariah 12:10 as proof of your story.
The problem is that John quoted from that verse in John 19:37, at Calvary, and nobody can deny that there was "mourning" and the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost.

If we want modern Jews to be saved we need to preach the Gospel to them now.

The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.
I have never heard this simple three-part message on Christian television.

There will be no Plan B of salvation, based on race, on the day of His Second coming.

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Brian Mcnamee said:

In Zechariah 14 a key line when the LORD is king over all the earth is in that day the LORD is one. Israel sees Jesus withe scars and all coming to save them. This is where the great mourning is turned to joy that Isaiah 61 talks about. it is just like when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers. The LORD will sit on the throne of David which is an earthly throne. His kingdom is one that lasts forever and he reigns for 1000 years on earth and then the kingdom moves to the new Jerusalem.

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Since dispensationally all saved Jews are raptured, those who remain are all of the unregenerate Jews who have ever lived (Zechariah 12:10-14). This would include Judas Iscariot, the Jews responsible for Christ's death, the many thousands of Jews whom God slew for unbelief and disobedience, et al.

Are you ready to meet and greet Judas in heaven?

jgr said:

Since dispensationally all saved Jews are raptured, those who remain are all of the unregenerate Jews who have ever lived (Zechariah 12:10-14). This would include Judas Iscariot, the Jews responsible for Christ's death, the many thousands of Jews whom God slew for unbelief and disobedience, et al.

Are you ready to meet and greet Judas in heaven?

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Good post.
I believe that Judas and the Chief Priests are the ones being referred in John 14:30.

The ruler of this world coming, judged, cast out

Matthew 26:14
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests
John 13:[John 8:44]
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.

John 14:30 was said during His great Garden discourse in Chapters 14,15,16, and 17

John 14:30
Not much longer I shall be speaking to ye, for is coming/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> the ruler/chief of the world and in Me not he having nothing

Then look who comes:

John 18:
3 Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the Chief priests and Pharisees, doth come/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;


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LittleLambofJesus said:

Good post.
I believe that Judas and the Chief Priests are the ones being referred in John 14:30.

The ruler of this world coming, judged, cast out

Matthew 26:14
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests
John 13:[John 8:44]
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.

John 14:30 was said during His great Garden discourse in Chapters 14,15,16, and 17

John 14:30
Not much longer I shall be speaking to ye, for is coming/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> the ruler/chief of the world and in Me not he having nothing

Then look who comes:

John 18:
3 Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the Chief priests and Pharisees, doth come/ercetai ἔρχεται<2064> thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;
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Thanks LLoJ. I've posted this on various threads in the past, with never a logical dispensational response.

James Honigman said:

Thanks for your comments, Brian. I agree with most of what you are saying, but I might point out that there are two tribulations at the end of days, which I believe have been shortened to 5 months. The 1st is Satan's deception on humanity, and he will want us to worship him as Lord Jesus, pretending to be Him. The 2nd tribulation will be the wrath of God poured out, and that is where billions will die in the flesh. 1,000 years later their souls may also perish, at the end of the millennial day. Thanks so much for your comments. James.

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Where do you get these ideas from? I dont see it myself