New House New Stones

mkgal1 · Aug 24, 2018

I just came across this article and wanted to share it to discuss (alongside the other thread related to Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9).

This is the specific excerpt of the article I'd like to discuss in this thread:

Quoting linked article -------->
New House and New Stones

The house cleansings are separated from the first inspection by seven days, according to the Levitical law. As I mentioned, the seven-day period does appear in John. In order to see it, however, we need to consider the whole picture of what I have discussed so far: Jesus as the true Temple, and His cleansings of the Old Covenant temple as a visitation of judgment on an idolatrous and complacent house. This is the story of Jesus in John’s Gospel.

It all begins at the initiation of Jesus’ public ministry at His baptism. The day of Jesus’ baptism in John’s Gospel begins a seven-day narrative. On the first day, Jesus is baptized, John proclaims Him to be the lamb of God, and the Holy Spirit descends live a dove and remains upon Jesus. This was all done for the purpose, as John the Baptist says, “that he might be revealed to Israel” (John 1:31). There is so much theology here it is impossible to note it all without distraction. In short, here we have the Spirit of God hovering over the New Creation on the first day; here we have the new Ark of salvation coming up out of the water of baptism, and the dove finding the dry land of the New World. But most importantly for our purposes, here we have God’s Spirit-glory filling the New House. This is explained as follows:

In Exodus 40:34–35, when Moses first erected the first house of God, the tabernacle, we read: “Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.” Two aspects are important: the cloud, which was God’s Spirit or presence, and the fact that it settled (or dwelled) there. The Hebrew word for “settled” is shakan, from which we get the phrase shekinah glory. It simply refers to God’s abiding presence. (Ironically, the Hebrew word for “tabernacle” throughout the book of Exodus is mishkan—the noun form of shakan—which means literally “a dwelling place.”)

This scene is replayed exactly when Solomon dedicates the temple:

And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord. Then Solomon said, “The Lord has said that he would dwell [shakan] in thick darkness. I have indeed built you an exalted house, a place for you to dwell [shakan] in forever” (1 Kings 8:10–13).

This is exactly what God told John the Baptist to watch for in Jesus: “He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain” (John 1:33). It is clear from this image alone that Jesus, the Son of God, was in fact God’s New House, New place of dwelling. Jesus was the New Temple. This would mean, of course, that the old temple in Jerusalem was already obsolete. From the day of the revealing of the true temple to Israel, all those old temple rituals and all the traditions and idolatrous practices that had grown up around them, were nothing but corruption in God’s house of Israel. The new house was already established and indwelt by the spirit. The by definition “closed” the other house for covenant business. The closing of the house, also, was part of the seven-day wait period (Lev. 14:38). ~
https://americanvision.org/13220/why-jesus-cleansed-the-temple-twice-a-long-standing-mystery-solved/

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 6, 2018

mkgal1 said:
New House and New Stones

The house cleansings are separated from the first inspection by seven days, according to the Levitical law. As I mentioned, the seven-day period does appear in John.... Jesus as the true Temple, and His cleansings of the Old Covenant temple as a visitation of judgment on an idolatrous and complacent house. This is the story of Jesus in John’s Gospel.

Great post, especially the "inspection/visitation" part!

I went to look up where those words are used and it appears to be used 4 times,
1 of those in regards to Jerusalem [Luke 19:44]
and one regarding our Christian behavior among the nations [1 Peter 2:12]

1984. episkope ep-is-kop-ay' from 1980;
inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian "episcopate":--the office of a "bishop", bishoprick, visitation.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
Strong's Number G1984 matches the Greek ἐπισκοπή (episkopē), which occurs 4 times in 4 verses

Luke 19:
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the time of the visitation/inspection<1984> of Thee".

Peter uses it this this verse:
YLT)
1 Peter 2:12
having your behaviour among the nations right,
that in that which they speak against you as evil-doers,
of the good works having beheld, they may glorify God in a day of inspection/visitation<1984>.

mkgal1 · Sep 6, 2018

Thanks for looking that up LL

I need to dig a bit deeper into this (I suspect there's a lot more there):

mkgal1 said:
seven-day wait period

mkgal1 · Sep 6, 2018

This is the seven-day wait period:

Quoting the same article------>The New House was established at the baptism. That was day one.

On the “next day” (day two, John 1:35), Jesus begins making disciples. One unnamed disciple of John the Baptism follow Jesus, plus Andrew, Simon Peter, Philip, and Nathanael (John 1:35–51).

Then, “on the third day” (John 2:1), Jesus performs His first miracle, changing water into wine at the wedding of Cana (2:1–10). He then visits Capernaum for “a few days” (2:12).

Then, we are immediately told, “The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” (2:13). The Passover itself was held on the 14th day of the month Nisan, and it was a sabbath day. So this means this whole story of John 1:29–2:13 takes place in the space of seven days. And it means Jesus visited Jerusalem when that seventh (Sabbath) day was “at hand.”

In other words, Jesus (who already knew the first house was corrupt) established the New House, then waited seven days, and visited the house (this time, the old house) for a second inspection. Finding the corruption, he removed the stone. He returned later and found the corruption persistent, and He declared the house would then be completely demolished. ~ https://americanvision.org/4162/jerusalems-time-of-visitation-luke-1945-46/

ETA: About His first visit:

In the first visit, Jesus drove out the merchants and the moneychangers, poured out their money and turned over the tables. His message then was, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade.” In other words, Jesus had removed only the corrupted stones themselves, and sent them “away.” After another day or two He left Jerusalem completely went into Judea. He would not return for a while. ~ https://americanvision.org/4162/jerusalems-time-of-visitation-luke-1945-46/

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 6, 2018

mkgal1 said:
And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord.

This is exactly what God told John the Baptist to watch for in Jesus: “He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain” (John 1:33).

It is clear from this image alone that Jesus, the Son of God, was in fact God’s New House, New place of dwelling. Jesus was the New Temple. This would mean, of course, that the old temple in Jerusalem was already obsolete. From the day of the revealing of the true temple to Israel, all those old temple rituals and all the traditions and idolatrous practices that had grown up around them, were nothing but corruption in God’s house of Israel. The new house was already established and indwelt by the spirit. The by definition “closed” the other house for covenant business. The closing of the house, also, was part of the seven-day wait period

Revelation has a lot of OT Priesthood imagery.
Mentioning John the Baptist made me think back on his father Zacharias in Luke 1.

If I am not mistaken, this is the only passage in the NT that actually shows a Priest performing in the Sanctuary to burn incense upon the Golden Altar.

This event is just mind blowing for the fact that, not only him being the father of John the Baptist, but that a Messenger of the Lord comes and stands before him by the Golden Altar!
Thoughts?

Luke 1:
5 There was in the days of Herod king of Judea a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah, and his wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name Elizabeth.
8 And it came to pass, in his acting as priest in the order of his course before God,
9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot was to make perfume, having gone into the Sanctuary of the Lord,
10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without, at the hour of the perfume

11 And a Messenger of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right of the Altar of the incense.
12 And having seen him, Zechariah was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

Now look at Revelation

Revelation 8:3
Then another Messenger, having a golden censer, came and stood at the Altar.
He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the Saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

In Reve 15:8, no one is allowed into the Holy Place [which would be Priests or consecrated NC Saints] until the fury of God is finished upon the OC Temple and Sanctuary in Jerusalem [imho]

Hebrews 7:12
For being translated/changed<3346> the Priesthood,
out of necessity also, of Law a translation/change<3331> is becoming,

Revelation 15:8
And is being replete the Sanctuary/naoV <3485> of smoke out of the Glory of the God and out of the power of Him.
And no one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary until should be being finished the seven blows of the seven Messengers.

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

The Camp--The Gate--
The Court----The Brazen Altar--The Laver----
The First Veil--
The Tabernacle---The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--
The Second Veil--The Mercy Seat and Ark
The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

mkgal1 · Sep 6, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
This event is just mind blowing for the fact that, not only him being the father of John the Baptist, but that a Messenger of the Lord comes and stands before him by the Golden Altar!
Thoughts?

Thanks for bringing that up.

This is a fresh look at things for me.

What I find really interesting about Zechariah is that when he was approached by a "messenger of the Lord" the text says it's Gabriel:

v 19. The angel replies, “I am Gabriel” (a name Zechariah may have recognized from the book of Daniel). I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news."

One Son · Sep 6, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Quoting the same article------>The New House was established at the baptism. That was day one.

Jn.1:32(KJV) And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jn.2:27. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30He must increase, but I must decrease.

Rev.21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

2Cor.1:21. Now it is God who establishes both us and you in Christ. He anointed us,
22 placed His seal on us, and put His Spirit in our hearts as a pledge of what is to come.

2Cor.5:5 And God has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come.

Eph.1:13 in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance to the redemption of the acquired possession, to the praise of His glory.

who is the guarantee of our(future) inheritance.............Tree of Life.

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and number the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. (Gen.15:5)

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 7, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Thanks for bringing that up.

This is a fresh look at things for me.

What I find really interesting about Zechariah is that when he was approached by a "messenger of the Lord" the text says it's Gabriel:

v 19. The angel replies, “I am Gabriel” (a name Zechariah may have recognized from the book of Daniel). I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news."

Good catch. :oldthumbsup:

Awesome sauce :amen:

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 8, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Thanks for bringing that up.

This is a fresh look at things for me.

What I find really interesting about Zechariah is that when he was approached by a "messenger of the Lord" the text says it's Gabriel:

v 19. The angel replies, “I am Gabriel” (a name Zechariah may have recognized from the book of Daniel). I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news."

Nice reference to Daniel.

mkgal1 said:
In Exodus 40:34–35, when Moses first erected the first house of God, the tabernacle, we read: “Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.” Two aspects are important: the cloud, which was God’s Spirit or presence, and the fact that it settled (or dwelled) there. The Hebrew word for “settled” is shakan, from which we get the phrase shekinah glory. It simply refers to God’s abiding presence. (Ironically, the Hebrew word for “tabernacle” throughout the book of Exodus is mishkan—the noun form of shakan—which means literally “a dwelling place.”)

Good post........

I like studying about the Camp, Court and Tabernacle in the OT.
While I was recently reading thru this passage in Revelation 1, something just struck out at me.

Revelation 1:
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind<3694> me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
12 Then I turned<1994> to see the Voice that spoke with me.
And having turned<1994> I saw seven golden lampstands<3087>,
13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands [One] like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

I can vision John standing inside the holy place of a Tabernacle. [John would probably be a Hebrew Jew and perhaps even of a priestly class].
While he is standing there, he hears a Voice BEHIND him.
He TURNS and sees Jesus in midst of lamp-stands. ["turn" can also mean convert]

Symbolically, [this is just my view],
John would have been facing the OC Table of Showbread. ..North.
The Altar and inner curtain would have been on his left...West
Then be turns, facing Jesus and the lamp-stands...South
The outer veil/entrance would then be on his left .....East

In essence, John is first facing the Table of OC Show-bread
and when he turns, he sees the NC "Living Bread", Jesus,

John 6:
48 I am the bread of life.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.
And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.”

I found this rather interesting video which helped me visualize the Camp, Court and inside of the Tabernacle. Pretty nice I think.......

mkgal1 · Sep 8, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
In essence, John is first facing the Table of OC Show-bread
and when he turns, he sees the NC "Living Bread", Jesus,

John 6:
48 I am the bread of life.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.
And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.”

What a wonderful visual.

Thanks for pointing that out.

LittleLambofJesus said:
I found this rather interesting video which helped me visualize the Camp, Court and inside of the Tabernacle. Pretty nice I think.......

That IS helpful. Thank you.

Just imagine how much this meant to the ancient Jews. All their religious life was wrapped up in this one place....for all of them......and they believed God's presence was limited to this one location.

BABerean2 · Sep 8, 2018

mkgal1 said:
It is clear from this image alone that Jesus, the Son of God, was in fact God’s New House, New place of dwelling. Jesus was the New Temple. This would mean, of course, that the old temple in Jerusalem was already obsolete.

The Jewish leadership put God in chains (John 1:1, John 1:14), and physically removed Him from Herod's temple.

.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 8, 2018

I found Luke 19:40 interesting.
Jesus mentions the stones will "cry out".

Doing an interlinear search, that exact form of #3037 used in Luke 19:40 is used in only 4 verses

[one can check out the koine greek rendering at this site]
Greek and Hebrew Reader Online

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized
STONE UPON STONE

Habakkuk 2:11
The stone/s of the wall<7023> shall cry-out<2199>, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

Luke 19:
39 And some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher! rebuke Your disciples.”
40 And answering He said, “I am saying to ye, that if these will be silent, the stones shall be crying-out.
44 And shall be leveling thee and thy offspring in thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in thee, instead which not thou knew the time of thy visitation".

Matthew 4:3
Now when the one-trying came to Him, he said,
“If Thou are the Son of the God, command that these stones become bread.”

Mark 13:1
Then as He went out of the Temple, one of His Disciples said to Him,
“Teacher! see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”

1Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual House,
a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 9, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
I found Luke 19:40 interesting.
Jesus mentions the stones will "cry out".

Doing an interlinear search, that exact form of #3037 used in Luke 19:40 is used in only 4 verses

[one can check out the koine greek rendering at this site]
Greek and Hebrew Reader Online

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized
STONE UPON STONE

Habakkuk 2:11
The stone/s of the wall<7023> shall cry-out<2199>, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

Luke 19:
39 And some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher! rebuke Your disciples.”
40 And answering He said,
“I am saying to ye, that if these will be silent, the stones shall be crying-out.
44 And shall be leveling thee and thy offspring in thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in thee, instead which not thou knew the time of thy visitation".

Matthew 4:3
Now when the one-trying came to Him, he said,
“If Thou are the Son of the God, command that these stones become bread.”

Mark 13:1
Then as He went out of the Temple, one of His Disciples said to Him,
“Teacher! see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”

1Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones are being built up a spiritual House,
a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Luke 19: [Revelation 18]
40 And answering He said, “I am saying to ye, that if these will be silent<4623>, the stones shall be crying-out.
41 And as He drew near, having seen the City, He wept over it,
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, stead which not Thou knew the time of the visititaion/inspection of Thee".

I found this rather fascinating [Luke and Revelation harmonize quite nicely with Revelation from what I am finding out lately]

Both #2896 and #2799 are used in Revelation 18 concerning the "Great City".

The Harvest of Matt 13/Reve 14
The Harvest of Matt 13/Reve 14

Revelation 14:15 [Joel 3:13/Matthew 13:30]
And another Messenger came out of the Sanctuary, crying-out<2896> with a loud voice to Him that sat on the cloud,
"Thrust! in Thy sickle and reap! for the time is come for Thee to reap.
For the Harvest of the land is ripe.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 9, 2018

mkgal1 said:
*snip*

It all begins at the initiation of Jesus’ public ministry at His baptism. The day of Jesus’ baptism in John’s Gospel begins a seven-day narrative. On the first day, Jesus is baptized, John proclaims Him to be the lamb of God, and the Holy Spirit descends live a dove and remains upon Jesus. This was all done for the purpose, as John the Baptist says, “that he might be revealed to Israel” (John 1:31).

Here are some passages I found relating to your above quote and please feel free to add to it.

Here is Malachi's prophecy concerning John and Jesus:

Malachi 3:1
"Behold! I am sending My messenger, and he hath prepared a way before Me,
And suddenly come in unto His Temple doth 'Adown/Lord-Master<113> whom ye are seeking,
Even the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom ye are desiring.
Behold! He is coming" says Yahweh of Hosts.

The 1st time Jesus and John meet.....what an awesome event between Mary and Elizabeth:

Luke 1:
41 And it came to pass, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby in her womb leaped. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, 42 and she cried out in a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit your of womb. 43 And from where is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For behold! as the voice of your greeting came into my ears, the baby in my womb leaped in exultation.

Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward Mary, the mother of Him, "Behold! this-One is set for the Falling and Resurrection/ana-stasin <386> of many in Israel
and into a Sign spoken against"-- [Ezekiel 37 "valley of bones]

1st time Jesus comes to the Temple.
They have no idea, [yet], that this 12 yr old boy is in fact the Son of God/Yahweh, that is standing right in front of them.[Revelation 2:18] Oh to have been there!

Luke 2:42
42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast.
46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the Teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.[Isaiah 11:6 "..and a little child shall lead them"]

Then John and Jesus meet at the Jordan river at the Baptism.........

John 1:6
6 There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John.
29 The next day, John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold! The Lamb<286> of the God Who takes away the sin of the world!
36 And looking at Jesus as He walked, he said, “Behold! the Lamb<286> of the God!”

Then coming back from his meeting with the Devil in the wilderness, He goes into a Synagogue in Nazareth, where He reads from the scroll of Isaiah, and later, is almost thrown off a cliff:

Luke 4:
16 Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up.
As was His custom, He entered the Synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:...........
20 Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the Synagogue were fixed on Him,
21 and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” ....................
28 On hearing this, all the people in the synagogue were enraged<2372>.
29 They got up, drove Him out of the town, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw Him over the cliff.
30 But Jesus passed through the crowd and went on His way.

In Revelation, Jesus makes reference to the "synagogue of Satan". Synagogues are primarily worship places for those who are of the religion of OC Judaism.

Revelation 2:18
“And to the Messenger of the assembly/ekklesia in Thyatira write! ‘
These things says the Son of God, Who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:[Matthew 17:5]

Revelation 2:9
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich);
and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a Synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9

“Indeed I will make those of the Synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—
indeed I will make them[OC] come and worship before your[NC] feet, and to know that I have loved you.

Genesis 25:23
The LORD said to her, "Two Nations are in thy womb, and two peoples from within thee will be separated;
one people will be stronger<553> than the other,
and the older will serve the younger."

OC vs NC [my translation taken from the greek texts concerning the words #3501 and #2567, which, in most versions, both are translated "new"]

Luke 5: [Hebrews 8:13]
37 "And no one is casting young/neon <3501> wine into Old<3820> skins, if yet no surely shall be ruined the young wine of the skins, and it shall be being poured-out and its skin shall be perishing<622>[#622 Hebrews 1:11]
38 but Young wine into NEW/kainouV <2537> skins is to be cast, and both are preserved together.
39 and no one drinking Old immediately is willing Young,
for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 15, 2018

I thought I would show where stone/stones is used in both the OT and NT by first showing where those Hebrew and Greek words occur.

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"stones" occurs 164 times in 147 verses in the NKJV
Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"stone" occurs 188 times in 176 verses in the NKJV.

68 'eben eh'-ben from the root of 1129 through the meaning to build;
a stone:--+ carbuncle, + mason, + plummet, (chalk-, hail-, head-, sling-)stone(-ny), (divers) weight(-s).
which occurs 272 times in 239 verses

1st time #68 is used in OT

Genesis 2:12
The gold of that land is good;
the bdellium/pearl<916> and the onyx<7718> stone<68> are there.

916 bdolach bed-o'-lakh probably from 914;
something in pieces, i.e. bdellium, a (fragrant) gum (perhaps amber); others a pearl:--bdellium.
7718 shoham sho'-ham from an unused root probably mean
to blanch; a gem, probably the beryl (from its pale green color):--onyx.

3037. lithos lee'-thos apparently a primary word;
a stone (literally or figuratively):--(mill-, stumbling-)stone.
Strong's Number G3037 matches the Greek λίθος (lithos),
which occurs 60 times in 55 verses

1st time used in each of the Gospels.
YLT)

Luke 3:8
make, therefore, fruits worthy of the reformation, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have a father -- Abraham; for I say to you, that God is able out of these stones<3037> to raise children to Abraham; [Matthew 3:9]

Matthew 3:9
"And think not to say within yourselves, 'a father we are having, the Abraham'.
For I am saying to ye, that is able God out of these stones to rouse offspring to the Abraham". [Luke 3:8]

John 8:7
and when they continued asking Him, having bent himself back, He said unto them, 'The sinless of ye -- let him first be casting the stone at her;'

Mark 5:5
and always, night and day, in the mountains, and in the tombs he was,
crying and cutting himself with stones.

#3037 used 2 times in Revelation:

Revelation 4:3
and He who is sitting was in sight like a stone, jasper<2393> and sardine<4556>:
and a rainbow<2463> was round the throne in sight like an emerald<4664>.
Revelation 17:4
and the woman was arrayed with purple and scarlet-colour, and gilded with gold, and precious stone, and pearls<3135>, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and uncleanness of her whoredom,

mkgal1 · Oct 22, 2018

Right now I'm reading through Joshua, and something I just noticed is that both chapter 22 and 24 end with a sort of personification of the stones/altars (they are called "witnesses"). See what I mean? Any thoughts on that?

34 The people of Reuben and Gad named the altar “Witness,” for they said, “It is a witness between us and them that the Lord is our God, too.” ~ Joshua 22:34

25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day at Shechem, committing them to follow the decrees and regulations of the Lord.26 Joshua recorded these things in the Book of God’s Instructions. As a reminder of their agreement, he took a huge stone and rolled it beneath the terebinth tree beside the Tabernacle of the Lord.

27 Joshua said to all the people, “This stone has heard everything the Lord said to us. It will be a witness to testify against you if you go back on your word to God.” ~ Joshua 24:25 - 27

BABerean2 · Oct 22, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Right now I'm reading through Joshua, and something I just noticed is that both chapter 22 and 24 end with a sort of personification of the stones/altars (they are called "witnesses"). See what I mean? Any thoughts on that?

34 The people of Reuben and Gad named the altar “Witness,” for they said, “It is a witness between us and them that the Lord is our God, too.” ~ Joshua 22:34

25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day at Shechem, committing them to follow the decrees and regulations of the Lord.26 Joshua recorded these things in the Book of God’s Instructions. As a reminder of their agreement, he took a huge stone and rolled it beneath the terebinth tree beside the Tabernacle of the Lord.

27 Joshua said to all the people, “This stone has heard everything the Lord said to us. It will be a witness to testify against you if you go back on your word to God.” ~ Joshua 24:25 - 27

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

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LittleLambofJesus · Oct 22, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Right now I'm reading through Joshua, and something I just noticed is that both chapter 22 and 24 end with a sort of personification of the stones/altars (they are called "witnesses"). See what I mean? Any thoughts on that?

34 The people of Reuben and Gad named the altar “Witness,” for they said, “It is a witness between us and them that the Lord is our God, too.” ~ Joshua 22:34

25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day at Shechem, committing them to follow the decrees and regulations of the Lord.26 Joshua recorded these things in the Book of God’s Instructions. As a reminder of their agreement, he took a huge stone and rolled it beneath the terebinth tree beside the Tabernacle of the Lord.

27 Joshua said to all the people, “This stone has heard everything the Lord said to us. It will be a witness to testify against you if you go back on your word to God.” ~ Joshua 24:25 - 27

27 Joshua said to all the people, “This stone has heard everything the Lord said to us. It will be a witness to testify against you if you go back on your word to God.” ~ Joshua 24:25 - 27

Interesting.
Jesus was a type of "Joshua" and perhaps why he made this statement?

Luke 19:
39 And some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher! rebuke Your disciples.”
40 And answering He said, “I am saying to ye, that if these will be silent<4623>, the stones<3037> shall be crying-out<2896>.

44 And shall be leveling thee and thy offspring in thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in thee, instead which not thou knew the time of thy visitation".

Then they attempted to stone Him:

John 10:33
The Judeans answered Him,saying, "about a good work not we are stoning Thee, but about blasphemy, and that Thou being a man are making thyself a god ".

Notice the denari use in Revelation 6:

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

10 verses later, that are seen telling the rocks to fall on them.

Revelation 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks
"be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8 Luke 23:30]

It appears they got their wish, as the Roman's used catapults 40 yrs later to break down the walls of stones and the buildings.
The stones they were chunking would literally look like they were falling from the heaven/sky.

Revelation 16:21
And great Hail as talent-weight/talantiaia <5006> is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men. And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city. Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.
It could be literal in the sense of large stones launched from catapaults, as Josephus describes concerning the destruction of Jerusalem.

mkgal1 · Nov 9, 2018

I've been reading in Revelation 21 - and to me - this seems to go along with the commentary of "living stones":

10 So he took me in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious stone—like jasper as clear as crystal. 12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates. 13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. ~ Revelation 21:10 - 14

Then I came across this article, describing the "precious stones" and what they could be. What are your thoughts on this?

Quoting linked article: Verses 10-11: The descending of “the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God” was also shown to John in verse 2. Steve Gregg comments on the significance of her attire:

Here, the attire of the bride is seen to be her having the glory of God (v. 11). The Shekinah that once rested upon the temple in earthly Jerusalem has departed from that institution and come to alight upon the church, the new temple of the Holy Spirit and the new City of God. The inheritance and hope of the New Testament believer is the hope of obtaining the glory of God (Rom. 2:7; 5:2; 8:18; Col. 1:27; I Thess. 2:12; 2 Thess. 2:14; Heb. 2:10; I Pet. 5:1, 10). This speaks of the likeness of Christ Himself seen upon His people (Rom. 8:29; 2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:21; 2 Pet. 1:19; I John 3:2).
The light radiating from the glorious bride-city is compared to the radiance of a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal (v. 11), which probably refers to a diamond. The believing remnant is likened to jewels in the Old Testament. In Malachi 3:16-17, it is said of those who fear the Lord and meditate on His name, “‘They shall be Mine,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘on the day that I make them My jewels.’” The context in Malachi [3:16-4:6] suggests that the reference is to the Jewish believers in Christ, who escaped the desolation of the capital city in A.D. 70. In this place also some find grounds for seeing the bride as the surviving church at the time of the destruction of the Jewish polity.~ Revelation Chapter 21 (Part 2: Verses 5-27)

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 10, 2018

10 So he took me in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious stone—like jasper as clear as crystal.
11 It shone with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious stone—like jasper as clear as crystal.
The light radiating from the glorious bride-city is compared to the radiance of a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal (v. 11), which probably refers to a diamond. The believing remnant is likened to jewels in the Old Testament. In Malachi 3:16-17, it is said of those who fear the Lord and meditate on His name, “‘They shall be Mine,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘on the day that I make them My jewels.’” The context in Malachi [3:16-4:6] suggests that the reference is to the Jewish believers in Christ, who escaped the desolation of the capital city in A.D. 70. In this place also some find grounds for seeing the bride as the surviving church at the time of the destruction of the Jewish polity

Such awesome imagery!

I was studying on clouds on another thread and came across something that just floored me [been happening a lot to me lately ehehe].
This is just what I got from 1 word in the Bible:

Revelation 4:3
And He who sat there was[fn] like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance;
and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.

This could be symbolizing Michael or Gabriel [and of course Jesus], both of which are mentioned in the OT/NT?

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty Messenger coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud.
And a rainbow was on His head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire.

Genesis 9:13
13 “I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the Covenant between Me and the earth.
14 “It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the Rainbow shall be seen in the Cloud;
16 “The Rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting Covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”

I could spend a lifetime just on Ezekiel..........Kinda like Daniel's reaction

Ezekiel 1:28
Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it.
This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.
So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.

1 Messenger telling the one like a Son of Man to reap....
I had never really took notice of it until I started studying on "rainbow and cloud".

Revelation 14:15
and another Messenger did come forth out of the Sanctuary crying in a great voice to Him who is sitting upon the cloud,
'Send forth thy sickle and reap, because come to thee hath the hour of reaping, because ripe hath been the harvest of the earth;'

2 of the Mightiest Angels in the Bible conversing. Look at Dan 10:6:

Daniel 8:16
And I heard a Man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.”
Daniel 9:21
yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the Man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering.

Daniel 10:
5 I lifted up my eyes and looked, and behold! a Man clothed in linen,
with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, His eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude.

13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days.
Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help Me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

Thanks for messaging me. Hope this helps.......Hugs.........

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