WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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The question: "Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?"

The translation: Sinners cannot be saved. Only the righteous can be saved. Therefore we are saved by our own righteousness. Should we fail to meet God's righteous requirements salvation is lost. When we sin, salvation is lost; when we repent, salvation is regained.

Is that what you are saying? (now watch, he'll claim I am making things up that he has never said)

Hmm like I said earlier if you do not wish to answer the question or your not able to just say so. No need to get yourself all upset saying things no one is saying to you.
 
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(1) Does being sarcastic help you? Does hyper-exaggeration--which equates to lying--help you make your case? Or do you only apply your principles of not being offensive to people outside the forum? Or do you just apply your principles to people until they won't agree with you?

(2) Let's consider Jesus and the woman at the well. That isn't your anecdotal story, that is Scripture. I love that true story! Please remember who was siding with presenting ALL TRUTH and who wasn't. You tried to twist the Truth of the situation there. That doesn't come from God.

(3) How long do you think that whole conversation took? How many visits did Jesus have with her, leading up to when He could finally divulge the Truth? How many words did He speak before He said something she could have found offensive?

Here's the story you requested (ASV version, John 4:5-29)
5 So he cometh to a city of Samaria, called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph:
6 and Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 For his disciples were gone away into the city to buy food.
9 The Samaritan woman therefore saith unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, who am a Samaritan woman? (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)
10 Jesus answered and said unto unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Every one that drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up unto eternal life.
15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come all the way hither to draw.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said unto him, I have no husband. Jesus saith unto her, Thou saidst well, I have no husband:
18 for thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: this hast thou said truly.
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father.
22 Ye worship that which ye know not: we worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].
27 And upon this came his disciples; and they marvelled that he was speaking with a woman; yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why speakest thou with her?
28 So the woman left her waterpot, and went away into the city, and saith to the people,
29 Come, see a man, who told me all things that [ever] I did: can this be the Christ?

But, why not look at the many other times, Jesus would have been considered offensive, because He didn't withhold hard Truth (and without having a developed relationship with those who were following Him).

Consider John 6, for another example.

Or how about "woman, what have I to do with you? My hour has not come." in regards to His mother's request for help.

Or how about "it is not good to give the children's food to dogs" to the woman seeking his help.

What about speaking at Peter and saying "get behind me satan!" I am sure that didn't make Peter feel good in the moment.

I can go on, if you need me to.

So, when did Jesus soften the Truth that He spoke in order to maximize the acceptance of His message?
LGW agrees with you. That says a lot.
 
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Paul didn't have to do battle with Goliath. In fact David refused the armour given to him by Saul. Don't remember Jesus carrying a Sledgehammer either:)

God gives us his armour and everyone needs it to fight the good fight of faith. * EPHESIANS 6:10-18
 
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Hmm like I said earlier if you do not wish to answer the question or your not able to just say so. No need to get yourself all upset saying things no one is saying to you.
I told you he would say that.
 
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Do you have any scripture to share Steve? I guess not.
Sure. Here you go.

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.
 
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Sure. Here you go.

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.
Might match with this one...

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Thanks for sharing
 
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How could I?
The exact term "true church" is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Your topic is unbiblical.

Well that is not true Steve, God's true church is described all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Some of these were posted in the OP.
 
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Well that is not true Steve, God's true church is described all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. Some of these were posted in the OP.
I said, "The exact term "true church" is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Your topic is unbiblical." And you say, "that is not true"? The term is found in none of your OP scriptures. Your claim is unbiblical.
 
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I said, "The exact term "true church" is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Your topic is unbiblical." And you say, "that is not true"? The term is found in none of your OP scriptures. Your claim is unbiblical.

True, the exact term "true church" is not written in the scriptures word for word. Does that mean there is no scriptures defining who God's true Church are in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures? Of course not. Read the OP the topic and scriptures are indeed biblical.
 
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True the exact term "true church" is not written in the scriptures word for word. Does that mean there is no scriptures defining who God's true Church are in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures? Of course not. Read the OP the topic and scriptures are indeed biblical.
If you believe that there are people in the "true church" outside your denomination, why wouldn't you include those churches as part of the "true church"? It seems that you have a very narrow view of what the church really is. If someone's views don't match yours, they cannot be part of the "true church". Because only those with your narrow view are part of the "true church".
 
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If you believe that there are people in the "true church" outside your denomination, why wouldn't you include those churches as part of the "true church"? It seems that you have a very narrow view of what the church really is. If someone's views don't match yours, they cannot be part of the "true church". Because only those with your narrow view are part of the "true church".

Read the OP. God's true Church is defined as all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's called out [CHURCH]. God has his people in every church but the calling out will continue because God is a Spirit and those who worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24. The other scriptures provided in the OP simply further define God's true people [CHURCH].
 
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Read the OP. God's true Church is defined as all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's called out [CHURCH]. God has his people in every church but the calling out will continue because God is a Spirit and those who worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24. The other scriptures provided in the OP simply further define God's people.
I can't imagine finding a Christian church that claims that they neither believe nor follow God's word.
 
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I can't imagine finding a Christian church that claims that they neither believe nor follow God's word.

Indeed. God's WORD describes who his people are however. Hence the OP here for discussion.
 
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No why should it?
How can you say, "God's true Church is defined as all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's called out [CHURCH]. " if there are further requirements that negate the first one?
 
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How can you say, "God's true Church is defined as all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. As long as you are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to you then you are a part of God's called out [CHURCH]. " if there are further requirements that negate the first one?

This is where Christian growth come into play and the scripture in ACTS 17 is relavant.

ACTS 17:30-31
[30], And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now [When a KNOWLEDGE of the truth is come] commands all men everywhere to repent:
[31], Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

We continue to be God's Children until we reject his Word.

Jesus emphasises this elsewhere...

JOHN 8:31-32
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
32, And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 
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