WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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Let's start with just about all writings by Paul, taken in their entire and intended context...

You say, "Our problem is with scriptures" (when it's not anyway), and I'm sure we can certainly give you scriptures, and some of us have already "given you some scriptures" but it's like you ignored them... That being said, you can lie and say "our problem is with scriptures" or the "entire whole counsel of the entire and all words of God", when we think "that is your problem"...

And, also, if you say "our problem is with scriptures", then I could also say also that your problem is with observable reality... And observable and fully tested and testable truths of not only what we observe and see in take in with the natural senses with our environment around us, but the REAL BIBLES TRUTH, and that is: "The entire whole counsel of the entire and all words of God" (that ever was and will be)... For that is God's True "WORD"... And that, the world cannot contain, which is why it is written on hearts and in peoples consciences...

And part of truly beginning to see the real picture and that "WORD" or truth is for you to surrender and submit to God, by admitting that you fall short always, and will fall short always in this world, giving up your pride, and then working with God from there, cause that is where he wants you to start with "the true intended purpose of the letter of the Law", or the or any Law period...

Now did you want to have another go at this post? What is it that your trying to say? Is there a post you wish you address somewhere? Did you wish to respond to a post and scripture that has been shared somewhere? If you do what is it?

To be humble enough to be truly one of God's you must submit to this truth, that is: You cannot keep the commandments, and definitely not the royal law perfectly either... none of us can except Christ... and when we truly know that and accept that ever so essential key beginning truth in our walk, then we are humble and humbled enough to truly begin that walk on that path, the right path, which is was Christ Jesus way and path... The letter of the law and trying to obey a, or any law in "any of your own strength, (will, effort, whatever), "at all" actually takes you off that path... Sacrifices true righteousness, for either false or fake, or self-righteousness...
God Bless!

Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin. If the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. We are sinners indeed but we have a Saviour for those that our Heavenly father have given ears to hear and eyes to see. Do you know these scriptures brother? If so what do you think they mean?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word
 
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Nope not saying what your saying at all.
It was a question. Choose an option below.

1) Salvation is the result of obedience
2) Obedience is the result of salvation
3) Other, please explain. (briefly)
 
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No. That's not what I am saying at all.

I think we need to earn the right to be heard. Once we have earned that right, we are in the optimal position to speak the truth in love. Here is a real life current example. (see linked topic title below) Notice what transpires on this three page topic. Those that get in the face of the thread originator are getting nowhere with him. Consider my approach and see where it leads. Thanks. @Dave G. should see this as well.

I Need Advice On Dating Christian Women As A Very Open Minded Christian?

Sorry, I don't limit what I believe to anecdotal stories. I focus on Scripture and Truth. God doesn't need me to hide His Truth to make it more palatable. We all have to answer to God for how we respond to and honor His Word. You don't know the end state of this guy you believe you influenced, either. I guess I will leave it at that.
 
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It was a question. Choose an option below.

1) Salvation is the result of obedience
2) Obedience is the result of salvation
3) Other, please explain. (briefly)

1. Do you believe what the Scriptures say on how to be saved?
2. Do you believe salvation is a one-time event or an on-going process that you can drop out of?
3. What if your #2 is correct, but then after some time (maybe years), that person who was pronounced saved in the moment (because they appeared to repent, believe and confess according to Scripture) then stopped believing and the result was their obedience stopped. Would you classify them as saved or not saved in your theology? If you say not saved, then wouldn't you have to say that #2 and #1 both apply, in your theology?
 
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It was a question. Choose an option below.

1) Salvation is the result of obedience
2) Obedience is the result of salvation
3) Other, please explain. (briefly)

I answer all your questions yet you answer none of mine. My turn.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

I actually asked this question because it also answers yours.

Scripture please.
 
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Sorry, I don't limit what I believe to anecdotal stories. I focus on Scripture and Truth. God doesn't need me to hide His Truth to make it more palatable. We all have to answer to God for how we respond to and honor His Word. You don't know the end state of this guy you believe you influenced, either. I guess I will leave it at that.
I see. So everyone that you blast gets saved? I find that hard to believe.

Consider Jesus and the woman at the well. Oops, sorry. That's an anecdotal story.
 
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I answer all your questions yet you answer none of mine. My turn.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

I actually asked this question because it also answers yours.

Scripture please.
What is the basis of salvation?
1) Works? (nope)
2) Grace? (yup)

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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What is the basis of salvation?
1) Works? (nope)
2) Grace? (yup)

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Nope, that was not the question asked of you. All you managed to do is avoid answering the question.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Scripture please.
 
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1. Do you believe what the Scriptures say on how to be saved?
2. Do you believe salvation is a one-time event or an on-going process that you can drop out of?
3. What if your #2 is correct, but then after some time (maybe years), that person who was pronounced saved in the moment (because they appeared to repent, believe and confess according to Scripture) then stopped believing and the result was their obedience stopped. Would you classify them as saved or not saved in your theology? If you say not saved, then wouldn't you have to say that #2 and #1 both apply, in your theology?
I'm not sure why you have decided that I am some sort of enemy. What's with all the caustic posts?

Only God can save us and only God can revoke our salvation. There is nothing we can do to save ourselves and there is nothing we can do to undo what God has done. Reprobation is his call.
 
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Nope, that was not the question asked of you. All you managed to do is avoid answering the question.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Scripture please.
I did indeed answer your question. And your question answered my question. You believe that salvation follows obedience. (works) Even though you falsely claim otherwise.

God justifies the ungodly, those who trust in him. Faith (trust in God) is credited as righteousness. Salvation is a gift. We can't earn it, or lose it.

Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
 
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I did indeed answer your question. And your question answered my question. You believe that salvation follows obedience. (works) Even though you falsely claim otherwise.

God justifies the ungodly, those who trust in him. Faith (trust in God) is credited as righteousness. Salvation is a gift. We can't earn it, or lose it.

Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

No I do not believe or have I ever stated anywhere in this forum what you claim and NO you didn't answer the question I asked of you.

You simply answered your own question that no one asked you, not the one I asked you.

If you don't want to answer the question or your not able to just say so.
 
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I am surprised if you can see at all wearing all that armour
King David faced Goliath with a sling shot and some pebbles and a bit of cloth for clothing ;)

I LOVE God's WORD. * EPHESIANS 6:10-18

God bless ;)
 
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Nope, that was not the question asked of you. All you managed to do is avoid answering the question.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Scripture please.
Why is it okay for you to avoid answering my question, but not okay for me to do the same? Seems a bit hypocritical.

The person that believes has eternal life, a present possession. They have crossed over from death to life and will not be judged. And you would claim that this can be reversed by our own actions? You have put yourself on a religious high wire act with the flames of hell licking at your feet. One wrong move and it's flames for you. That's putting confidence in the flesh.

John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
 
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Why is it okay for you to avoid answering my question, but not okay for me to do the same? Seems a bit hypocritical.

The person that believes has eternal life, a present possession. They have crossed over from death to life and will not be judged. And you would claim that this can be reversed by our own actions? You have put yourself on a religious high wire act with the flames of hell licking at your feet. One wrong move and it's flames for you. That's putting confidence in the flesh.

John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

I do answer your questions. If you don't want to answer the question asked of you or your not able to just say so.
 
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No I do not believe or have I ever stated anywhere in this forum what you claim and NO you didn't answer the question I asked of you.

You simply answered your own question that no one asked you, not the one I asked you.

If you don't want to answer the question or your not able to just say so.
This is so typical of you. I have answered twice. Yet you claim I have not answered. This is not a discussion. You are bull dozing your respondents. You only seek compliance and agreement with your claims. Anything else is viewed as a lack of cooperation.
 
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This is so typical of you. I have answered twice. Yet you claim I have not answered. This is not a discussion. You are bull dozing your respondents. You only seek compliance and agreement with your claims. Anything else is viewed as a lack of cooperation.

Well that is not true Steve, you did not answer the question asked of you. You simply answered an unrelated question that you put up. Like I said earlier if you don't want to answer the question asked of you or your not able to just say so.
 
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I LOVE God's WORD. * EPHESIANS 6:10-18

God bless

Paul didn't have to do battle with Goliath. In fact David refused the armour given to him by Saul. Don't remember Jesus carrying a Sledgehammer either:)
 
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I see. So everyone that you blast gets saved? I find that hard to believe.

Consider Jesus and the woman at the well. Oops, sorry. That's an anecdotal story.

(1) Does being sarcastic help you? Does hyper-exaggeration--which equates to lying--help you make your case? Or do you only apply your principles of not being offensive to people outside the forum? Or do you just apply your principles to people until they won't agree with you?

(2) Let's consider Jesus and the woman at the well. That isn't your anecdotal story, that is Scripture. I love that true story! Please remember who was siding with presenting ALL TRUTH and who wasn't. You tried to twist the Truth of the situation there. That doesn't come from God.

(3) How long do you think that whole conversation took? How many visits did Jesus have with her, leading up to when He could finally divulge the Truth? How many words did He speak before He said something she could have found offensive?

Here's the story you requested (ASV version, John 4:5-29)
5 So he cometh to a city of Samaria, called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph:
6 and Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 For his disciples were gone away into the city to buy food.
9 The Samaritan woman therefore saith unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, who am a Samaritan woman? (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)
10 Jesus answered and said unto unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Every one that drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up unto eternal life.
15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come all the way hither to draw.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said unto him, I have no husband. Jesus saith unto her, Thou saidst well, I have no husband:
18 for thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: this hast thou said truly.
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father.
22 Ye worship that which ye know not: we worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].
27 And upon this came his disciples; and they marvelled that he was speaking with a woman; yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why speakest thou with her?
28 So the woman left her waterpot, and went away into the city, and saith to the people,
29 Come, see a man, who told me all things that [ever] I did: can this be the Christ?

But, why not look at the many other times, Jesus would have been considered offensive, because He didn't withhold hard Truth (and without having a developed relationship with those who were following Him).

Consider John 6, for another example.

Or how about "woman, what have I to do with you? My hour has not come." in regards to His mother's request for help.

Or how about "it is not good to give the children's food to dogs" to the woman seeking his help.

What about speaking at Peter and saying "get behind me satan!" I am sure that didn't make Peter feel good in the moment.

I can go on, if you need me to.

So, when did Jesus soften the Truth that He spoke in order to maximize the acceptance of His message?
 
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The question: "Is someone who is professing to be a Christian but living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?"

The translation: Sinners cannot be saved. Only the righteous can be saved. Therefore we are saved by our own righteousness. Should we fail to meet God's righteous requirements salvation is lost. When we sin, salvation is lost; when we repent, salvation is regained.

Is that what you are saying? (now watch, he'll claim I am making things up that he has never said)
 
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