WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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Hello Karola,
Some comments for your consideration below.
What do you mean not at all?
I do not follow after the written code as you claim. I follow after God's Spirit. None have God's Spirit however while breaking any of his commandments *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 8:22. If you are still in your sins then you do not know God because you are still in your sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATIONS 12:17; 14:12; 22:14.
You keep stressing sins of ignorance. That means you must believe through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin.
God's WORD teaches that it is God's LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172. It is the standard of right and wrong. It makes nothing perfect. It leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25. It is faith that gives us the victory to overcome the world *1 JOHN 5:4. If you do not have faith it is impossible to please God and if your still in your sins your faith is dead *HEBREWS 11:16; JAMES 2:18-20; 26
You believe the fourth commandment as written is written in the mind and placed on the heart of people who have no consciousness of sin by breaking it. More proof, you believe: through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin.
No I do not.
By repeating God's word teaches the Ten Commandments give us the knowledge of good and evil is to look to the letter written in ink to know what the law is God wants us to follow, that is not where the law is for the born again believer, scripture is clear on that

God's Spirit works through the letter. If you have no letter you have no Spirit.

JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Faith is the Victory *1 JOHN 5:4
 
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I know.
But that's not the point. The food and hygiene laws are recorded in Scripture and were God's law, word and covenant. If you're talking about keeping God's law, that should include all the OT laws.

Jesus told us to keep his commandments. He commanded us to love as he loved us, to go into the world and preach the Gospel, to put God first and love him with all our heart, mind, soul and strength. He said that God's will is that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.
He didn't tell us to obey OT laws, which can't save us anyway.

If God asks us not to do something through his Word and we do it are we believing God's WORD?
 
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Hello Karola,

Some comments for your consideration below.



I do not follow after the written code as you claim. I follow after God's Spirit. None have God's Spirit however while breaking any of his commandments *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 8:22. If you are still in your sins then you do not know God because you are still in your sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATIONS 12:17; 14:12; 22:14.



God's WORD teaches that it is God's LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172. It is the standard of right and wrong. It makes nothing perfect. It leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25. It is faith that gives us the victory to overcome the world *1 JOHN 5:4. If you do not have faith it is impossible to please God and if your still in your sins your faith is dead *HEBREWS 11:16; JAMES 2:18-20; 26



No I do not.



God's Spirit works through the letter. If you have no letter you have no Spirit.

JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Faith is the Victory *1 JOHN 5:4
You do not believe the fourth commandment as written is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers? If it is not, no Christian is under any obligation to follow it. If you believe it is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers, you must believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin for you accept as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin by breaking it
Of course you follow after the written code, for that is where you get your conviction of sin from. It is how you know what law you believe you must follow, the law is not written in ink for the believer
If you believe in sins of ignorance, more proof you believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin
 
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The written code is the law written in ink:


You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2cor3:3

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code(law written in ink) Rom7:6.
 
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The written code is the law written in ink:

Indeed, it must be written on the heart through LOVE.

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2cor3:3
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code(law written in ink) Rom7:6.

It is SIN that bounds us not God's LAW Context is v5...

ROMANS 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

You have to have the letter before you can have the Spirit *JOHN 6:63.
 
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You do not believe the fourth commandment as written is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers? If it is not, no Christian is under any obligation to follow it. If you believe it is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers, you must believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin for you accept as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin by breaking it
Of course you follow after the written code, for that is where you get your conviction of sin from. It is how you know what law you believe you must follow, the law is not written in ink for the believer
If you believe in sins of ignorance, more proof you believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin

If you have no LOVE what can you do?

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If you are still in your sins you have not received God's Spirit or do you know him because you are still in youre sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; JAMES 2:18-20; 26; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ACTS 2:38; 3:19
 
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If God asks us not to do something through his Word and we do it are we believing God's WORD?

If he asks US; no.
Jewish food laws were not given to, or written for, US - they were given to the Hebrew people who God rescued from Egypt. THEY had been slaves; exploited and badly treated by Egyptian taskmasters. THEY had cried out to God for deliverance, seen all the plagues of Egypt, been saved from the final plague, the death of the firstborn, walked across the Red Sea, had manna from heaven and so on. THEY had been rescued by their God and Saviour, and owed their lives, and freedom, to him.

WE haven't - unless you are Jewish or have Jewish ancestry. WE have been rescued from sin and death by Jesus; God's Son, our Saviour. WE have been given eternal life, the Holy Spirit, become God's children and received every spiritual blessing through Christ.
OUR Saviour is Jesus. We come to him, trust him for salvation, abide in him, believe that he is the Good Shepherd who lay down his life for the sheep, and so on. To do this, and then to say that we need to go back to the OT and obey laws that were never given to us - and which have been fulfilled in Jesus anyway; makes no sense.
 
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If he asks US; no.
Jewish food laws were not given to, or written for, US - they were given to the Hebrew people who God rescued from Egypt. THEY had been slaves; exploited and badly treated by Egyptian taskmasters. THEY had cried out to God for deliverance, seen all the plagues of Egypt, been saved from the final plague, the death of the firstborn, walked across the Red Sea, had manna from heaven and so on. THEY had been rescued by their God and Saviour, and owed their lives, and freedom, to him.

WE haven't - unless you are Jewish or have Jewish ancestry. WE have been rescued from sin and death by Jesus; God's Son, our Saviour. WE have been given eternal life, the Holy Spirit, become God's children and received every spiritual blessing through Christ.
OUR Saviour is Jesus. We come to him, trust him for salvation, abide in him, believe that he is the Good Shepherd who lay down his life for the sheep, and so on. To do this, and then to say that we need to go back to the OT and obey laws that were never given to us - and which have been fulfilled in Jesus anyway; makes no sense.

Hi SIM, interesting topic but not for here. Happy to comment if you wish to open up a new thread in relation to the dietry laws. No one is telling you to go back to laws that are no more but what laws are no more? Dont mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant with God's eternal law that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PALMS 119:172
 
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Indeed, it must be written on the heart through LOVE.



It is SIN that bounds us not God's LAW Context is v5...

ROMANS 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

You have to have the letter before you can have the Spirit *JOHN 6:63.
You do not have the letter of the law written in ink before you can have the Spirit. For the law is not written in ink for the believer, the believer is released from the written code and follows after the Holy Spirit
 
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If you have no LOVE what can you do?

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If you are still in your sins you have not received God's Spirit or do you know him because you are still in youre sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; JAMES 2:18-20; 26; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ACTS 2:38; 3:19
You may deflect, but the facts still remain the facts
You do not believe the fourth commandment as written is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers? If it is not, no Christian is under any obligation to follow it. If you believe it is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers, you must believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin for you accept as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin by breaking it
Of course you follow after the written code, for that is where you get your conviction of sin from. It is how you know what law you believe you must follow, the law is not written in ink for the believer
If you believe in sins of ignorance, more proof you believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin
 
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You may deflect, but the facts still remain the facts
You do not believe the fourth commandment as written is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers? If it is not, no Christian is under any obligation to follow it. If you believe it is written in the mind and placed on the heart of born again believers, you must believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin for you accept as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin by breaking it
Of course you follow after the written code, for that is where you get your conviction of sin from. It is how you know what law you believe you must follow, the law is not written in ink for the believer
If you believe in sins of ignorance, more proof you believe: Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin

There is no deflection? Maybe you did not like the answer? If you did or did not I do not know. You were only provided God's WORD. It is God's WORD not mine. You are free to do with it as you wish. I do not judge you. It is God's WORD that will be our judge come judgment day.

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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You do not have the letter of the law written in ink before you can have the Spirit. For the law is not written in ink for the believer, the believer is released from the written code and follows after the Holy Spirit

Of couse you do. How do you know what sin is or God's will without God's WORD? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. *JOHN 6:63 What comes first the Word of God or faith?
 
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If I had my laptop, I'd type up what St. John Chrysostom had to say about the Petrine office, and his commentary on Matthew 16.
The St John Chrysostom who spent the majority of his time in the priesthood, not in communion with Rome, yet never considered it an issue? Are you sure you understand what he wrote in the proper context?
 
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There is no deflection? Maybe you did not like the answer? If you did or did not I do not know. You were only provided God's WORD. It is God's WORD not mine. You are free to do with it as you wish. I do not judge you. It is God's WORD that will be our judge come judgment day.

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Have you got a scripture for your belief?
Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin
 
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Of couse you do. How do you know what sin is or God's will without God's WORD? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. *JOHN 6:63 What comes first the Word of God or faith?
So no one can become a Christian unless they firstly read the letter of the Ten Commandments written in ink in the old testament?
I did, and so did countless others
 
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Hi SIM, interesting topic but not for here. Happy to comment if you wish to open up a new thread in relation to the dietry laws. No one is telling you to go back to laws that are no more but what laws are no more? Dont mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant with God's eternal law that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PALMS 119:172

I'm trying to understand exactly what you mean by "God's law".
You've said somewhere that it is every word that God has spoken; yet you've also said that we don't need animal sacrifices, (which we don't.) Sacrificing animals for unintentional sin was a major part of the law that God gave. It was the means of atonement; a person could not be forgiven if they sinned and refused to offer the sacrifices.

Again, are you saying that "God's law" is only the 10 commandments?
 
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There is no deflection? Maybe you did not like the answer? If you did or did not I do not know. You were only provided God's WORD. It is God's WORD not mine. You are free to do with it as you wish. I do not judge you. It is God's WORD that will be our judge come judgment day.

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Gods word states the law is not written in ink for the believer/the written code, but written on the heart by the Spirit of the living God. How many seventh day Adventists had an inner conviction from their heart and mind they should observe a specific Saturday sabbath, without firstly reading what is written in ink to know? None! But that is not where the law is for the believer
 
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Gods word states the law is not written in ink for the believer/the written code, but written on the heart by the Spirit of the living God. How many seventh day Adventists had an inner conviction from their heart and mind they should observe a specific Saturday sabbath, without firstly reading what is written in ink to know? None! But that is not where the law is for the believer

If you have God's LAW written on your heart you will not KNOWINGLY break it. If you do then you do not know him who calls you in love to love another and need to be born again *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. If you knowingly break any of God's LAW then you have neither seen him or know him and your faith is dead *1 JOHN 2:3-4; JAMES 2:18-20; 26. If you do not have God's WORD how can you have faith when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God?
 
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I'm trying to understand exactly what you mean by "God's law".
You've said somewhere that it is every word that God has spoken; yet you've also said that we don't need animal sacrifices, (which we don't.) Sacrificing animals for unintentional sin was a major part of the law that God gave. It was the means of atonement; a person could not be forgiven if they sinned and refused to offer the sacrifices.

Again, are you saying that "God's law" is only the 10 commandments?

No God's LAW is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and it is this Word that we are to live by *MATTHEW 4:4. To those who have been born again God's 10 commandments are no longer written on stone. They are written in the fleshly tables of the heart to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who walk in God's Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16. They are no longer the 10 Commandments but exceeeding great and precious promises *2 PETER 1:4.
 
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If you have God's LAW written on your heart you will not KNOWINGLY break it.
So where is your scripture that states:
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin?
Can we revise your statement then?
The law is a mirror that may or may not make you conscious of sin/reveal your sin
 
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