The beginning of the end

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Just a thought, but I think he's good to go for another term as well. This guy is quite tough and seems to survive all political turmoil (prevail against all odds - saw that during his campaign when scandals were breaking out all over the place), fascinating :).
 
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I was frustrated that they never allowed the part where they say why.
I don’t think it matters. I just found it interesting how long they’ve been saying it.
 
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I don’t think it matters. I just found it interesting how long they’ve been saying it.
Trump isn't going to be impeached with this Congress, the math doesn't add up. The next one will most likely be a narrow margin in the House of Democrats and the Republicans in the Senate having a safe majority. The only way you get rid of Trump is to beat him in 2020, unless the Special Council has something especially devastating which....frankly...is anyone's guess.
 
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They keep using that phrase. I don’t think it means what they think it means.


Yeah he’s going to be around for a while. He’s been ‘getting away with it’ one way or another his whole life, unlikely that’s going to stop now. And he is delivering on the many of the things his supporters voted for, whether or not that is a good thing is another question, one that might only have a clear answer years after he’s gone.
 
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Yeah he’s going to be around for a while. He’s been ‘getting away with it’ one way or another his whole life, unlikely that’s going to stop now. And he is delivering on the many of the things his supporters voted for, whether or not that is a good thing is another question, one that might only have a clear answer years after he’s gone.

It truly helps that his base is willing to overlook every single value they espouse publicly in order to maintain their strong support for Trump.

His policies are questionable for long-term economic growth and already some poor demographics in places like Kentucky are seeing the writing on the wall for their healthcare as the ACA is dismantled piece by piece, but his supporters are willing to stand by him.

It also helps that the GOP machinery is in place. The GOP has played a MUCH better long-game than the Dems by systematically redistricting and disenfranchising the correct voting blocs.

I don't think Trump stands a good chance for a second term but I think we've all be surprised before. I do wonder, though, who will help Trump out when he craters stuff as he always does? His dad is no longer with us so he can't bail Trump out as he did many, many times (sometimes quite illegally).

I think we all need to be prepared to take over Fred Trump's role at some point in the future and fix the mess Trump makes. In the meantime we see short-term gains so long as we overlook the looming issues.
 
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Trump isn't going to be impeached with this Congress, the math doesn't add up. The next one will most likely be a narrow margin in the House of Democrats and the Republicans in the Senate having a safe majority. The only way you get rid of Trump is to beat him in 2020, unless the Special Council has something especially devastating which....frankly...is anyone's guess.
If Democrats take the House, the obvious idea is to the use GOP playbook of years and years of investigations and hearings and testimony about Trump, his campaign staff, his administration / family, advisors, and so on. Given they'd have subpoena power, should be an interesting time. Maybe they find enough stuff that the GOP feels the need to dump him before the 2020 election, maybe not. Either way it is going to hurt Trump's ability to get anything done.
 
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Wow. That went off topic quick.

I guess we need a new Godwin’s Law. Every thread started in American Politics, regardless of the topic, will eventually turn into the bashing of Trump.
 
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They keep using that phrase. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

The beginning of the end, the end of the beginning, about two-thirds towards the half-way point, what?
 
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The beginning of the end, the end of the beginning, about two-thirds towards the half-way point, what?
I don’t know. But apparently we are at the tipping point.
 
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If Democrats take the House, the obvious idea is to the use GOP playbook of years and years of investigations and hearings and testimony about Trump, his campaign staff, his administration / family, advisors, and so on. Given they'd have subpoena power, should be an interesting time. Maybe they find enough stuff that the GOP feels the need to dump him before the 2020 election, maybe not. Either way it is going to hurt Trump's ability to get anything done.

Nah, if the Democrats take the house, no such dirty tricks will be necessary.

The House Financial Services Committee has broad subpoena powers to acquire anyone's financial records... including a President's.

Currently, the chair of that Committee is Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) a loyal Trump supporter, but if the House flips, the ranking member of the committee becomes the new Chair... and that person is... (drum roll, please...):

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Your friend and mine, Maxine Waters (D-CA).

Oh, to be a fly on that wall when Donald is told the news...
 
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Regardless of your views on Trump, you have to admit that it’s somewhat humorous that the talking heads have been saying the same thing, and using the same phrases, since the beginning.
 
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Regardless of your views on Trump, you have to admit that it’s somewhat humorous that the talking heads have been saying the same thing, and using the same phrases, since the beginning.

I think they are still in a state of shock.
 
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They keep using that phrase. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

In fairness, the "beginning of the end" of the Trump presidency was his inauguration, since we know that he will not be in office more than eight years.. hopefully no more than four.
I'm not one calling for impeachment but there needs to be some check on Trump's impulses.
 
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A) I think that Trump could win in 2020. He is really, really good at campaigning. Also, the Dems will be in a bitter campaign fight and will likely choose someone of the left. They could easily beat Trump with someone from the center-left.

B) The House will spend January 2019 through the 2020 election with over a hundred investigations of Trump, his campaign, his transition, his companies, his family and his cabinet. Impeachment will be a side issue, and won't matter much.

C) For now, I presume that the Democrats will have a majority in the House and the Republicans the majority in the Senate.

D) Trump will get lots "done" in the next year and a half. Of course, almost none of this will be issues that require legislation. Lots of court justices will be appointed. Trade deals will be made, The tariff fights will continue. The battle against immigrants and refugees will continue. Deregulation will continue.

E) There will be fights at least a couple times a year when debt limit increases or appropriations are needed. This is when compromises can happen (probably on the wall and immigration). There will be a government shut down or two or more.

F) After another year, Trump will decide whether it is worth running again, or whether he wants to spend his time protecting his family and fortunes. Much MAY depend on other Republicans. Trump can force his nomination, but not their support. Republicans may understand that they can indeed afford to lose the presidency (for 4 years) as long as they control the Senate. By January 2021, their Court victories will seal the fate of the judiciary (SCOTUS and lower courts) for many decades. The change in the tax code can't be changed without the Senate. Republicans won't get anything meaningful in legislation with Trump as president and a Democratic House. As an aside, the Republicans could easily lose their Senate majority in 2020 if Trump heads he ticket.

G) Democrats would find it difficult to beat Hailey-Kasick in 2020 or 2024, or even Rubio with one of these two. The open secret is that Hispanics are likely to be Republicans in lots of jurisdictions.
 
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