WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

Barney2.0 · Oct 18, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Might as well. Yours and half of the forum jumped under that bandwagon years ago. I sure hope you're not criticizing him for it.

If he was trying to prove the Seventh day Adventist Church was the true Church then I would have a few words to say.

rockytopva · Oct 18, 2018

1. I believe, according to Revelation, that there are seven church congregations, who all have their virtues and issues.

2. To become Born Again, or Saved, is very easy

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? - 1 John 5:5
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9

3. Some denominations make salvation so incredibly complicated that, for many, it is not easy to believe. As the Apostle says...

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

rockytopva · Oct 18, 2018

rockytopva said:
1. I believe, according to Revelation, that there are seven church congregations, who all have their virtues and issues.

2. To become Born Again, or Saved, is very easy

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? - 1 John 5:5
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9

3. Some denominations make salvation so incredibly complicated that, for many, it is not easy to believe. As the Apostle says...

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

I believe, according to Revelation, that there are seven church congregations, who all have their virtues and issues. And those congregations are...

1. Messianic
2. Early Orthodox
3. Later Orthodox churches
4. Catholic
5. Denominational Protestant
6. Wesleyan / Pentecostal
7. Charismatic / Word of Faith

My church is Pentecostal Holiness. The old World War II generation were a truly spiritual bunch. Now we have settled into a denomination we are less like the sixth church congregation and more like the fifth. And, also, it could be in the 1940's that the whole church was Philadelphian, from Orthodox to Pentecostal.

Most of the issues I see in this day and time are Laodicean in that the materialism, lukewarmness, and coldness are easily infiltrated in churches these days.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2018

Dave G. said:
Without question people have problems with the term, but Jesus did not.

I mostly agree. But Jesus originated the term, he didn't start using it because he heard some Evangelicals using it. In fact, he may have avoided it for that reason.

Don't get me wrong. I consider myself to be born again. But I don't run it up a flag pole or declare that everyone else should, or they aren't part of the "true" church. Does that makes sense?

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope. We are only saved by grace through faith it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Grace however is for the fruit of OBEDIENCE to the faith.

Wow. There's some logic.

1) We are ONLY saved by grace through faith it is a gift of God. -- Got it.
2) We are NOT saved by works lest any man should boast. -- Got it.
3) Grace however is for the fruit of OBEDIENCE (works) of the faith. -- Huh?

BNR32FAN · Oct 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
We no longer need to do animal sacrifices now do we? We are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God as applied to the NEW COVENANT. *MATTHEW 4:4

Do you believe we must still be circumcised and if not then why?

Solomon Smith · Oct 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
ORGANISATION?

Organization

I have a hard time learning from someone who makes such blatant spelling errors.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2018

Solomon Smith said:
Organization

I have a hard time learning from someone who makes such blatant spelling errors.

Even spell-check doesn't work for all capitals. (half of his posts) Nor does it fix "your", when it should be "you're".

Solomon Smith · Oct 18, 2018

The church is wherever the word is preached and the sacraments administered.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2018

Solomon Smith said:
The church is wherever the word is preached and the sacraments administered.

That must be the standard Lutheran answer to the question. I have read it at least three times in as many days. I asked the first one to explain what it meant. No reply. But someone else did explain it. (helpful)

Solomon Smith · Oct 18, 2018

Saint Steven said:
Even spell-check doesn't work for all capitals. (half of his posts) Nor does it fix "your", when it should be "you're".

My point is that someone presuming to be a teacher should be able to spell.

Solomon Smith · Oct 18, 2018

Saint Steven said:
That must be the standard Lutheran answer to the question. I have read it at least three times in as many days. I asked the first one to explain what it meant. No reply. But someone else did explain it. (helpful)

I’d say it’s probably fairly self explanatory.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 18, 2018

Solomon Smith said:
Organization

I have a hard time learning from someone who makes such blatant spelling errors.

Solomon Smith said:
My point is that someone presuming to be a teacher should be able to spell.

They are alternative spellings of the same word, both being used in British and Australian English and only one being used in American English. Both words can be used in British English. You seem to be getting side tracked.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 18, 2018

Saint Steven said:
Wow. There's some logic.

1) We are ONLY saved by grace through faith it is a gift of God. -- Got it.
2) We are NOT saved by works lest any man should boast. -- Got it.
3) Grace however is for the fruit of OBEDIENCE (works) of the faith. -- Huh?

Not my logic it is God's. There is a reason he has given us his grace. God's grace is not a liscence to sin.

EPHESIANS 2:8-9
[8], For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9], Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Grace is for obedience to the faith...

ROMANS 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

ROMANS 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

Saint Steven · Oct 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Not my logic it is God's. There is a reason he has given us his grace. God's grace is not a liscence to sin.

EPHESIANS 2:8-9
[8], For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9], Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Grace is for obedience to the faith...

ROMANS 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

ROMANS 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

Unbelievable. You blame God for your flawed logic.

How can salvation be the gift of God (not by works) if it is EARNED through WORKS of obedience to the faith?

Now watch. He'll tell me to take it up with God rather than see his error.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 18, 2018

Saint Steven said:
Unbelievable. You blame God for your flawed logic.

How can salvation be the gift of God (not by works) if it is EARNED through WORKS of obedience to the faith?

Now watch. He'll tell me to take it up with God rather than see his error.

Hello Steve, Now your making things up I have never said. Salvation is indeed a free gift and there is nothing that you can do to earn it. OBEDIENCE is the fruit of Faith in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you do not have it you do not know God and are still in your sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

JLB777 · Oct 18, 2018

rockytopva said:
1. I believe, according to Revelation, that there are seven church congregations, who all have their virtues and issues.

2. To become Born Again, or Saved, is very easy

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? - 1 John 5:5
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9

3. Some denominations make salvation so incredibly complicated that, for many, it is not easy to believe. As the Apostle says...

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 11:3

The seven Churches of Asia in the book of Revelation were very real Churches that John was given messages for.

We can learn from them what to do and not to do, however they were real Churches in those cities.

JLB

1stcenturylady · Oct 18, 2018

JLB777 said:
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Are you deliberately being obtuse? We've gone over this already.

1 John 3:23 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

John tower · Oct 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

Firstly I believe God has his people in EVERY CHURCH as long as they are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to them through his WORD.

JOHN 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

However God is calling his people out from following man made traditions to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

JOHN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

WHO IS GOD'S CHURCH?

IS GOD'S CHURCH A BUILDING or a CHURCH ORGANISATION?

Before we look at who God's WORD says is God's true Church let's start off by looking at the GREEK meaning of the word Church which is ἐκκλησία which means a calling out or meeting.

This links in very nicely with

MATTHEW 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

A Church therefore is the people the BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. They are the called out and Jesus is in the midst of them.

WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REVELATION 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Notice God's people keep ALL of God's Commandments through FAITH in Christ?

NOTE: God's saints keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of God. It is these people that are a remnant that the devil is making war with. They are called God's saints and these are the ones that have right to the tree of life.

How many Church's do you see keeping all of God's Commandments?

What are your thoughts?

( 7 ) : ” THE GREATEST FALSE TEACHING OF THE CHURCHES ! “
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The standard teaching in the present day churches is that yes, we cannot save ourselves : That the only thing we have is our own free will, to either choose or reject God . Well does the Bible teach that we choose God of our own free will ? JOHN 1 ( 13) : ” Which were born NOT OF THE WILL OF MAN , BUT OF GOD ! ” ROMANS 9 ( 16 ) : ” So then IT IS NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH , BUT OF GOD . ” JAMES 1 ( 18 ) : ” OF HIS OWN WILL begat he us with the word . ” So according to the Bible : It is NOT OF MAN’S WILL , BUT ONLY GOD’S WILL ! EPHESIANS 1 ( 11 ) : ” Him who works ALL THINGS AFTER the counsel of HIS OWN WILL . ” : ALL THINGS AFTER HIS WILL LEAVES NO PLACE FOR OUR OWN SUPPOSED FREE WILL ! So this teaching that man has his own free will is completely contrary to scripture : It falsely exalts man with power that he in truth does not have. Well you might ask : Why did not God not give man his own free will ? HEBREWS 12 ( 2 ) : ” Looking unto JESUS , THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH ! ” : So CHRIST IS THE SOLE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH ! THERE IS NO ONE BETTER QUALIFIED THAN CHRIST TO TRAIN US : CERTAINLY NOT OURSELVES : SO THIS IS PRECISELY WHY CHRIST DID NOT GIVE US A FREE WILL , BECAUSE ONLY CHRIST CAN DO A PROPER JOB ! Only CHRIST knows what things we need to learn , we do not know these things : so what in the world would we do with a free will if such a thing existed : Answer : We wouldn’t have a clue , which is of course why CHRIST did not give us a free will : WE ARE JUST CLAY IN THE GREAT POTTERS HANDS , and thank God , no one can do a better job then God! PHILIPPIANS 1 ( 6 ) : ” He which began a good work in you will continue it unto the day of CHRIST . ” : He began it , not us , and he will finish it not us ! PHILIPPIANS 2 ( 13 ) : ” For IT IS GOD WHICH WORKETH IN YOU , BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO OF HIS GOOD PLEASURE ” : GOD NOT US ! This is solely the work of God : to say that man has any part in it is falsely exalting man : usurping the work of God and falsely placing it in man’s hands : an obvious blasphemy against God , and it is widely taught in the mainstream churches, and needs to be exposed for the blasphemy that it is ! EPHESIANS 2 ( 8-10 ) : 8 : ” For by grace are you saved through faith, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift OF GOD ” 9 : ” NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST ” 10 : ” For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP ” Nothing of ourselves! ROMANS 13 ( 1 ) : ” THERE IS NO POWER BUT GOD ! ” No room here for man to have his own power of free will : No power but God. PSALMS 65 ( 4 ) : ” Blessed is the man whom THOU CHOOSEST AND CAUSEST TO APPROACH UNTO THEE . ” : God chooses his elect , and God causes them to come to him by his call, not us by our own supposed free will : totally unscriptural ! Choosing God would of course be a good thing to do, and if we really did choose God of our own free will we would be at least partially righteous, because choosing God would be a good thing, but such is definitely not the case as the Bible clearly says there are non righteous because we do not have the power to come to God of our own will as CHRIST clearly says in JOHN 6 ( 44 ) : ” No man can come to me unless THE FATHER DRAWS HIM . ” : ONLY THE FATHER CAN DRAW HIM : HE CANNOT COME OF HIS OWN POWER ! STOP BLASPHEMING AND SAYING THAT MAN SAVES HIMSELF BY HIS OWN FREE WILL WORK OF CHOOSING GOD : IT IS TOTALLY AND SOLELY THE WORK OF GOD !

JLB777 · Oct 18, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Are you deliberately being obtuse? We've gone over this already.

1 John 3:23 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Yes that would definitely be one of His Commandments.

However, the word believe means trust and commit to obey.

His Commandment is to obey the Son Jesus Christ who is the Mediator of the New Covenant.

His teaching is what we are to obey.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Believe means obey.

He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 ASV

JLB

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