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Is Colton Burpo a credible witness?

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It is probable that the apostle refers to some communication concerning the Divine nature and the Divine economy, of which he was only to make a general use in his preaching and writing. No doubt that what he learned at this time formed the basis of all his doctrines. [CLARKE]

He was in a trance: I knew a man in Christ about fourteen years ago,.... Which is to be understood of himself, as appears from 2 Corinthians 12:7,.
John is said to be "in the spirit", Revelation 1:10, that is, in an ecstasy; and so here this man was in the Spirit of Christ, and transported by him to see visions, and have revelations; or rather it intends a spiritual being in Christ, union to him, the effect of which is communion with him.
Dr. Lightfoot puts the conversion of the apostle in the year 34, the rapture of him into the third heaven, in the year 43, at the time of the famine in the reign of Claudius, Acts of the Apostles 11:28, when he was in a trance at Jerusalem, Acts of the Apostles 22:17, and the writing of this epistle in the year 57. [GILL]

The reason why Paul did not speak of this directly as a vision which he had himself seen was probably that he was accused of boasting, and he had admitted that it did not become him to glory. [BARNES]
I knew a man in Christ - I knew a Christian, or a Christian man; for to such alone God now revealed himself, for vision and prophecy had been shut up from the Jews. [CLARKE]
All good points........ but these verses still cannot be denied......

II Corinthians 12:2-4:
 
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A trance is one possibility........
being stoned to the point where he appeared dead..... is another possibility......

Act 14:19


And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.
 
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Oh? I thought everyone knew that if you looked at God you would die instantly. Not even David has gone to heaven!
Acts of the Apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts of the Apostles 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
The vision of the 70 elders Exodus 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel who is the Angel that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, as Stephen says, and the Lord that was among the angels there, who afterwards became incarnate, and having done his work on earth, ascended on high, The pure blue of the heaven above them lent its influence to help the inner sense to realize the vision which no mortal eye could behold.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 Timothy 6:16 but should anyone venture to look on it, his whole frame would be dissolved." In such inconceivable splendour is the Divine Majesty revealed to the inhabitants of the celestial world, where he is said to "dwell in the light which no man can approach unto" . By the "face of God," therefore, we are to understand that light inaccessible before which angels may stand, but which would be so insufferable to mortal eyes, that no man could see it and live.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Since Colton Burpo reports meeting the Danite Judge Samson..... ... John the Baptist... Mary the Mother of Jesus and others.......... we can assume that perhaps there is more to the resurrection of the dead in Christ than merely what Colton was shown........ (did he also meet King David)???
Dr. Richard Eby:



He paused as though the joy of that thought had overwhelmed him for the moment.

"My Father assures me that the time is yet a little while, but very little. Soon he will call those already in paradise to surround me as we descend from this third heaven to the first heaven around the Earth. The souls of all my saints will be instantly clothed in their new resurrection bodies, as will the living saints on Earth who rise to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding trumpet they all receive new bodies and rise to meet us in the air. We return as my body to my throne room with the Father. Now do you understand why I called this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp what it will mean to be one with me and the Father in your incorruptible bodies? My book states that I assumed mankind's sin so you "might be made the righteousness of God' in me!"

I can clearly recall how Jesus' voice paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation too intense and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living that moment at which he would enjoy the victory which his Father would give him as the eternal reward for his own long-suffering? His own sting of death would be swallowed up, and he would be the omniscient Head of a completed and compliant body for whom he had shed his blood on a terrible cross. He would reign as KING of the Jews after these days of grace. Then his thoughts returned to me.

"My son, when that time has come, my Father will call to me. The applause of the heavenly hosts will be deafening; they too have been awaiting that day, ever since they announced my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so long ago. Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as my angelic hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly body of believers at my soon return to Earth.
 
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Since Colton Burpo reports meeting the Danite Judge Samson..... ... John the Baptist... Mary the Mother of Jesus and others.......... we can assume that perhaps there is more to the resurrection of the dead in Christ than merely what Colton was shown........ (did he also meet King David)???

Good evening Brother. Been awhile. I was offline for awhile. Got my 'puter fixed, moved, new job, all sorts of stuff. The Lord has been helping me at work, lol!

Sorry don't mean to derail the thread. I just got the email notification and thought I'd stop in before bed.
 
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Good evening Brother. Been awhile. I was offline for awhile. Got my 'puter fixed, moved, new job, all sorts of stuff. The Lord has been helping me at work, lol!

Sorry don't mean to derail the thread. I just got the email notification and thought I'd stop in before bed.

The Lord helping you at work at that type of level........
fits well with a prediction that I heard for 2018......

Is 2018 The Awakening?
Is 2018 The Awakening?
 
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The Lord helping you at work at that type of level........
fits well with a prediction that I heard for 2018......

Is 2018 The Awakening?
Is 2018 The Awakening?

Well, just this last week, I went to fix a broken furnace out in the boondocks quite a bit. Another tech had already been there and ordered in the part at the supply house. I picked up the new parts and went out there, and their new part was bad and wouldn't work. (it happens sometimes). Too bad I was way out in the country because it was supposed to be quick because we was busy and I had quite a few more places to go to yet. SO I made the trip again to the syoply house and gave them back the bad part and got another new one and drove way back out there...and it didn't work either.

So I turned the switch off, and was sitting there losing my sense of humor real quick because this was supposed to be a quick job. I'm sitting in some guys basement in front of his furnace realizing this is going to destroy my day and people get mad if you're late to their appointment. SO I prayed and asked for help from the Lord. I got done praying, and...didn't really expect this sort of a prayer to be answered, lol. I was just frustrated at the situation. About that time the customer walks in to check on me, and says, is it done? and he flicks the switch on...and the thing just purred to life and came on real smooth!

Now I know that part was bad. and then it worked, After I prayed. Actually, for awhile now, I've become accustomed to inviting the Lord to go with me to work (or to other places if I have to venture out into this world, lol.). Furnace parts do not just be bad one second and then be good the next second, it don't work like that. It wasn't parting the red sea type of miracle, but still, people were going to be mad if it wasnt fixed this (second) trip. I would have looked bad, which would have made the company look bad, and an angry customer. When I prayed, I said, Lord please help me and let this work. If it works, then the customer will be happy, I will look good and the company will look good and you (the Lord) will get the glory!

Scripture says, ye have not because ye ask not...so I asked. :)
Praise the Lord He helped me. That was awesome!
 
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Well, just this last week, I went to fix a broken furnace out in the boondocks quite a bit. Another tech had already been there and ordered in the part at the supply house. I picked up the new parts and went out there, and their new part was bad and wouldn't work. (it happens sometimes). Too bad I was way out in the country because it was supposed to be quick because we was busy and I had quite a few more places to go to yet. SO I made the trip again to the syoply house and gave them back the bad part and got another new one and drove way back out there...and it didn't work either.

So I turned the switch off, and was sitting there losing my sense of humor real quick because this was supposed to be a quick job. I'm sitting in some guys basement in front of his furnace realizing this is going to destroy my day and people get mad if you're late to their appointment. SO I prayed and asked for help from the Lord. I got done praying, and...didn't really expect this sort of a prayer to be answered, lol. I was just frustrated at the situation. About that time the customer walks in to check on me, and says, is it done? and he flicks the switch on...and the thing just purred to life and came on real smooth!

Now I know that part was bad. and then it worked, After I prayed. Actually, for awhile now, I've become accustomed to inviting the Lord to go with me to work (or to other places if I have to venture out into this world, lol.). Furnace parts do not just be bad one second and then be good the next second, it don't work like that. It wasn't parting the red sea type of miracle, but still, people were going to be mad if it wasnt fixed this (second) trip. I would have looked bad, which would have made the company look bad, and an angry customer. When I prayed, I said, Lord please help me and let this work. If it works, then the customer will be happy, I will look good and the company will look good and you (the Lord) will get the glory!

Scripture says, ye have not because ye ask not...so I asked. :)
Praise the Lord He helped me. That was awesome!

Wow!!!!!! And by telling us about that event here.... you really are giving G-d the glory......... This is something for all of us here to really think about....... Wow!!!!
 
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Wow!!!!!! And by telling us about that event here.... you really are giving G-d the glory......... This is something for all of us here to really think about....... Wow!!!!

Yep. That isn't the first or only time that the Lord has helped me at work either. He helped me last night in fact, lol. I remember one time I was working on my truck and changing a part underneath it. It was awkward and I couldn't bust loose a bolt. I couldn't get a good angle for leverage on it. But I needed to be able to drive it tomorrow, important. The scripture you have not because you ask not popped into my head, so I stopped and just layed there under the truck for a minute and prayed and asked for help. Then I just just reached up and turned it and it came right off. Like it was hand tight or something. It was torqued down tight!

Just like that, boom. At once I knew...it was the Lord. It was the Lord!!
Praise God! He is soo good to me!
 
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Yep. That isn't the first or only time that the Lord has helped me at work either. He helped me last night in fact, lol. I remember one time I was working on my truck and changing a part underneath it. It was awkward and I couldn't bust loose a bolt. I couldn't get a good angle for leverage on it. But I needed to be able to drive it tomorrow, important. The scripture you have not because you ask not popped into my head, so I stopped and just layed there under the truck for a minute and prayed and asked for help. Then I just just reached up and turned it and it came right off. Like it was hand tight or something. It was torqued down tight!

Just like that, boom. At once I knew...it was the Lord. It was the Lord!!
Praise God! He is soo good to me!

Wow!!!

You have really given me something to think about..... and act on as well!
 
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My first encounter with a near death experience [NDE] was in 1970. I was attending a military advance course. Everyone in the course had at least one tour in Vietnam. One of the officers told us about his NDE after being seriously wounded in Vietnam. I was very skeptical then and for many years afterward.
.....Fast forward to 2009. I was scheduled for a simple 45 minute laparoscopic hernia repair. There were complications it turned into a 5 hour open surgery. I had afib, acute kidney failure, sepsis [major bacterial contamination] and ilieus [bowel blockage]. After that I am no longer skeptical of NDE accounts.
.....I have seen nothing in the book or the movie which contradicts scripture.

I am convinced that these accounts can be a great tool for evangelism. I think that the scriptures are like the Old Wine... but NDE accounts are like the new wine that have the power to inspire people to drink the old wine.

Luk 5:39

No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
 
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Now my opinion is that Heaven is for Real, both the book and the movie, is God intervening and taking the world closer to the time when:


Jeremiah 31:34

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

What Colton saw during those few minutes in which he flatlined fits with:

Luke 23:43

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

You have to wonder since people don't go to Heaven when they die. What possible reason would there be for someone to have an out of body experience of going to Heaven. It's understandable that Paul would since he was an emissary of Jesus Himself sent to reveal a message from God to the world. However, since that time no one has been sent by Jesus out into the world.
 
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You have to wonder since people don't go to Heaven when they die. What possible reason would there be for someone to have an out of body experience of going to Heaven. It's understandable that Paul would since he was an emissary of Jesus Himself sent to reveal a message from God to the world. However, since that time no one has been sent by Jesus out into the world.

I have to admit that I recently heard in a sermon by a gifted Christian that they were shown that Satan does have some of his demons act........ like the loved ones of the person having the NDE...... if....... like in the case of Howard STorm they go away from their Life Review....
 
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I have to admit that I recently heard in a sermon by a gifted Christian that they were shown that Satan does have some of his demons act........ like the loved ones of the person having the NDE...... if....... like in the case of Howard STorm they go away from their Life Review....
I'm not familiar with Howard Storm. However, from what I understand from the Scriptures people don't go to Heaven. Man is physical being that is infused with life from God. When God takes back His breath of life the man dies and there is nothing left to live on. I don't see how anyone can "come back" from the dead to communicate with the living.
 
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I have to admit that I recently heard in a sermon by a gifted Christian that they were shown that Satan does have some of his demons act........ like the loved ones of the person having the NDE...... if....... like in the case of Howard STorm they go away from their Life Review....
But first, having believed, ye have been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ;
Ephesians 1:4 according as he has chosen us in him before the world's foundation, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love;
Ephesians 1:5 having marked us out beforehand for adoption through Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he has taken us into favour in the Beloved:
Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of offences, according to the riches of his grace;
Ephesians 1:8 which he has caused to abound towards us in all wisdom and intelligence,

Ephesians 1:9 having made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself
Ephesians 1:10 for the administration of the fulness of times; to head up all things in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth; in him,
Ephesians 1:11 in whom we have also obtained an inheritance, being marked out beforehand according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his own will,

Ephesians 1:12 that we should be to the praise of his glory who have pre-trusted in the Christ:
Ephesians 1:13 in whom *ye* also have trusted , having heard the word of the truth, the glad tidings of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, ye have been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 who is the earnest of our inheritance to the redemption of the acquired possession to the praise of his glory
Ephesians 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, would give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of him,
Ephesians 1:18 being enlightened in the eyes of your heart, so that ye should know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 1:19 and what the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believe, according to the working of the might of his strength,
 
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You have to wonder since people don't go to Heaven when they die.
Says who?

Lets look at the definition of the word "witness".-
A witness to a road accident is one who sees it happen and can report the facts.
A witness being quizzed in court is there to report what he saw.

Taking that into account, who are the cloud of witnesses mentioned below?
Hebrews12v1Therefore we also, having such a great cloud of witnesses encompassing us, having laid aside every weight and the sin easily entangling, should run with endurance the race lying before us.

The answer to my question is found in chapter11v4 etc, starting with Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Sarah Isaach Jacob Joseph ............etc etc etc.

These people and many more clearly constitute the cloud of witnesses referred to in chapter12v1.

But we already know that the definition of witnesses are people who watch and see things! So these witnesses obviously cannot be dead people, which clearly means the members of that ancient cloud of witnesses are all still alive.

These ancients are still alive in heaven and watching and witnessing what the saints are doing down here. That is the meaning of Hebrews11 and 12!

Lets be clear, we on earth are not the cloud of witnesses described in Hebrews12v1, those up there are. We are not watching them, they are watching us.

They are alive in heaven watching down on us.
What possible reason would there be for someone to have an out of body experience of going to Heaven. It's understandable that Paul would since he was an emissary of Jesus Himself sent to reveal a message from God to the world. However, since that time no one has been sent by Jesus out into the world.
Unbiblical nonsense.
My wife (from a non Christian family) went to heaven when she was 3 years old. She met Jesus, she saw the heavenly city, and did various things the Lord told her to do.
She could see other people up there.

My wife didn't read a bible till she was 18, and when she read about the heavenly city in Revelation, the description matched what she had already seen.
 
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Says who?

Lets look at the definition of the word "witness".-
A witness to a road accident is one who sees it happen and can report the facts.
A witness being quizzed in court is there to report what he saw.

Taking that into account, who are the cloud of witnesses mentioned below?
Hebrews12v1Therefore we also, having such a great cloud of witnesses encompassing us, having laid aside every weight and the sin easily entangling, should run with endurance the race lying before us.

The answer to my question is found in chapter11v4 etc, starting with Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Sarah Isaach Jacob Joseph ............etc etc etc.

These people and many more clearly constitute the cloud of witnesses referred to in chapter12v1.

But we already know that the definition of witnesses are people who watch and see things! So these witnesses obviously cannot be dead people, which clearly means the members of that ancient cloud of witnesses are all still alive.

These ancients are still alive in heaven and watching and witnessing what the saints are doing down here. That is the meaning of Hebrews11 and 12!

Lets be clear, we on earth are not the cloud of witnesses described in Hebrews12v1, those up there are. We are not watching them, they are watching us.

They are alive in heaven watching down on us.

Unbiblical nonsense.
My wife (from a non Christian family) went to heaven when she was 3 years old. She met Jesus, she saw the heavenly city, and did various things the Lord told her to do.
She could see other people up there.

My wife didn't read a bible till she was 18, and when she read about the heavenly city in Revelation, the description matched what she had already sen.
Not even David has yet ascended to heaven so your story is full of garbage.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven

Acts of the Apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens.
: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

If you think you are going to heaven you will miss the boat because heavenly Jerusalem is coming down to earth to rule.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 

Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God. 
 
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Says who?

Lets look at the definition of the word "witness".-
A witness to a road accident is one who sees it happen and can report the facts.
A witness being quizzed in court is there to report what he saw.

Taking that into account, who are the cloud of witnesses mentioned below?
Hebrews12v1Therefore we also, having such a great cloud of witnesses encompassing us, having laid aside every weight and the sin easily entangling, should run with endurance the race lying before us.

The answer to my question is found in chapter11v4 etc, starting with Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Sarah Isaach Jacob Joseph ............etc etc etc.

These people and many more clearly constitute the cloud of witnesses referred to in chapter12v1.

But we already know that the definition of witnesses are people who watch and see things! So these witnesses obviously cannot be dead people, which clearly means the members of that ancient cloud of witnesses are all still alive.

These ancients are still alive in heaven and watching and witnessing what the saints are doing down here. That is the meaning of Hebrews11 and 12!

Lets be clear, we on earth are not the cloud of witnesses described in Hebrews12v1, those up there are. We are not watching them, they are watching us.

They are alive in heaven watching down on us.

Unbiblical nonsense.
My wife (from a non Christian family) went to heaven when she was 3 years old. She met Jesus, she saw the heavenly city, and did various things the Lord told her to do.
She could see other people up there.

My wife didn't read a bible till she was 18, and when she read about the heavenly city in Revelation, the description matched what she had already seen.

You've given your interpretation and opinion. Can you give some facts?

A witness can witness stuff while they're alive, not when they're dead
 
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Not even David has yet ascended to heaven so your story is full of garbage.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven
Your interpretation of what Jesus said there is completely flawed, given that scripture shows many had already visited heaven, temporarily or permanently. ie.-

Moses and 70 elders were taken up.
Ex24v9Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel. Under His feet was a work like a pavement made of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11But God did not lay His hand on the nobles of Israel; they saw Him, and they ate and drank.

Elijah was very obviously taken up.
2Kings2v11As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.

Paul was taken up. If being taken up bodily was unscriptural, he would never have included it as possible.
2Cor12v2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up into Paradise.

Paul had previously spoken about going home to be with the Lord
2Corinthians 5:8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

No scripture can be read in isolation, so given that people had already been up to heaven, in Jn3v12, the Greek words show Jesus is effectively saying that nobody is able to ascend to heaven by his own steam -unless the son of man first comes down. ie. pays the price for our redemption.
Acts of the Apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens.
: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
That's being silly. Peter was quoting a prophetic psalm that David wrote when he was still alive, so its hardly surprising David was not in heaven at that time he wrote it. lol
If you think you are going to heaven you will miss the boat because heavenly Jerusalem is coming down to earth to rule.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 
Great verse, thanks for your help.
If the city comes down as a bride, then that proves the bride of Christ is already there in heaven before it comes down!
 
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