Does God know what we will do in the future? Our fate?

Oscarr said:

So, we have got that bit straight then. Jesus definitely does not cause people to suffer for the greater good.



He gave a few commands too, like "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, and preach the good news to the poor."



So you are still saying that disease, poverty, sexual crime, genocide are all His will for mankind? Something wrong with that picture!



Kicking the player instead of the ball doesn't achieve anything.



If you believe that, then don't pray, "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" because you don't believe that. If you did, you would see that the evil in the world is not God's will because it does not exist in heaven. God's will is done in heaven, and none of the evil exists there, and the prayer is very clear - "Let the will of God, as it is done in heaven, be done here on earth." But if you pray that prayer and then say that evil is God's will on earth, then your prayer would be hypocritical because you would be praying something opposite to what you believe.



I don't see that in the Bible. You are saying that God has created the diseases that cause suffering to people! But Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, and He healed people of their diseases. So, are you attributing the works of the devil (sickness, disease, rape, molestation, genocide, etc) to the creation of God??



Flattery will get you everywhere! Actually, we are responsible for the sin in the world, not God. He has given us the Name of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit to deal with it, and the evil in the world, but we don't use it because we underestimate the resurrection power we have in us through the indwelling Holy Spirit.



You are ignoring many Scriptures that make it clear to us that God's will is enacted through us as we exercise our faith in His Word. In the First Century, believers using their faith and the power of the Holy Spirit, overturned the Roman Empire, and turned the pagan world to Christ. These days, because of the general belief that God has created disease and allows evil to exist in the world and there is nothing we can do about it, society is going back to paganism. The truth is that many professing Christs simply don't believe God's word and are faithless when confronted with evil in the world. They don't know how to overcome evil with good. It's all very well being religious and going to our church services with their three hymns and sermon and going home full of tea and cake instead of the Holy Spirit, but one day we will all stand before God and He will ask us, "Why, did you not use My power to heal the sick, raise the dead, destroy the works of the devil in your community? I gave you the power. You were My arms and legs, but you sat on your chuff in church on Sundays, lived as anyone in the world during the week, and did nothing of what I told you, clearly set out in My Word."

How will you answer that question?

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David G. Smith said:

you're really dumb and annoying but to finish this chat, more for the sake of other readers, i will address you one last time , following which you shall be ignored entirely.

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one cannot create something and not be ultimately responsible for it.

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gods will is done in earth as it is in heaven, but as seems to be a trait, your comprehension skills are poor. it doesn't mean that gods will for what happens in heaven is the same for what he wills to happen on earth,many things occur here on earth that don't in heaven and vice versa.

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jesus making specific people suffer for the greater good when here in flesh is irrelevant. if he did or didn't doesn't mean it isn't done in general to everyone throughout all history so we haven't got that straight. but i realise you only see and hear what you think agrees with you.

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also it is the father's will being done not jesus' although jesus is in faith carrying out that will, as the logos/word has always done. if you see that as being complicit then yes jesus does cause that same suffering to occur for the greater good. if i disputed the process it would certainly be my case that both be blamed, instead as i am mature enough to accept the benefit outweighs the cost, i celebrate the actions of both.

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unless you reply with "i was wrong, you are right" or similar, i will not waste resources to speak further with you on this.taht isn't to say i don't respond to disagreement, but that have done so amply and continuing would no doubt only encourage more nonsense to be produced by you. if in your world you comprehend that as a triumphant victory for your astounding wisdom then that's nice. i wish you well, ( well away from me tho !)

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