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I have a little thought experiment.

I run the judicial system in a community. A man comes along and does not like another party. They go up to them and hit them in the face. For assault they are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

A man comes along and does not like another party. He goes to a caster of hexes to harm the other party. The other party suffers harm because of the hex. For this assault the hexer and the person asking for it are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

Now do you see the similarity in these scenarios.

Only in a world where magic is real, we do not live in such a world.
 
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A lot of people here do not understand the term "powers and principalities", There is an unseen evil force that is very active and also very much at work in this world.
The bible tells us that we have many unseen forces waging war against us constantly and it is a unseen spiritual war that is happening right now.
Just because you can't see it, Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!

You can't see the Holy Spirit but do you still believe in God?
You can't see the wind, But is it real, Isn't it, Because the grass is blowing?

I believe in the power that is available to us as christians because of the all powerful God that we lovingly serve. Nothing at all powerful about us, But because God is all righteous and good, Evil cannot make accusations against Him as it constantly does to us.
We by ourselves come up short because we have all fallen, But God never has and He has already defeated satan and his "minions" at the cross, So I will humble myself and bow before the cross and ask for His protection against all such things for me and this man who is being attacked.
 
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A lot of people here do not understand the term "powers and principalities", There is an unseen evil force that is very active and also very much at work in this world.
The bible tells us that we have many unseen forces waging war against us constantly and it is a unseen spiritual war that is happening right now.
Just because you can't see it, Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!

You can't see the Holy Spirit but do you still believe in God?
You can't see the wind, But is it real, Isn't it, Because the grass is blowing?

I believe in the power that is available to us as christians because of the all powerful God that we lovingly serve. Nothing at all powerful about us, But because God is all righteous and good, Evil cannot make accusations against Him as it constantly does to us.
We by ourselves come up short because we have all fallen, But God never has and He has already defeated satan and his "minions" at the cross, So I will humble myself and bow before the cross and ask for His protection against all such things for me and this man who is being attacked.
They say thats why first century Christians were mostly pacifist, they believed their persecutors were under a delusion. Polycarp told the Roman Governor just before being burned at the stake, the crowd appears to be under a delusion and it seems to have over taken you as well.
 
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I have a little thought experiment.

I run the judicial system in a community. A man comes along and does not like another party. They go up to them and hit them in the face. For assault they are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

A man comes along and does not like another party. He goes to a caster of hexes to harm the other party. The other party suffers harm because of the hex. For this assault the hexer and the person asking for it are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

Can you show the difference between a working hex and plain ol' bad luck?
 
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That is why we need a military dictatorship in the USA!

Obviously, both sides, pagan witches as well as Fundagelical Christians are reluctant to use the Elijah test. Neither the pagan deities nor the Lord of the Hosts seem to be in the sacrifice burning business anymore.

Well, at least with the Judeo-Christian God, we know why: he really really dislikes to go against iron chariots. And I guess the pagan deities also don't like their chances versus a few Abrams MBTs.

So just surround the Capitol with a few tank platoons and save democracy from all those spell casting. Oh, yes, and from the people. They are pesky and interfere with governing.


Seriously, people. Spells and counterspells?
 
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They say thats why first century Christians were mostly pacifist, they believed their persecutors were under a delusion. Polycarp told the Roman Governor just before being burned at the stake, the crowd appears to be under a delusion and it seems to have over taken you as well.
So funny you mention Polycarp as I was just reading about him, He was a strong man of God and had his priorities straight, He ask not to be bound or tied, because he wasn't running off, An old man who had trouble even removing his sandals alone.
He would face his fate head on because He knew who to bow before and he done it humbly.
 
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Can you show the difference between a working hex and plain ol' bad luck?

I think this is the problem of superstition. If you go through history people love to have simple problem, cause and solution. Which is also why so such injustice and abuse goes on, extreme politics occurs and abuse and sin happens.

It is why I actually believe in people discovering who they are and how they work is part of being free and know the truth. And from my experience Jesus and following Him bring that into our lives, if we are open. It does not mean what you see as "christian" carries this, but there are people who are truly alive amongst it all.

God bless you
 
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Question: "What does the Bible say about witchcraft / witches? Should a Christian fear witchcraft?"

Answer:
The Bible has a lot to say about witchcraft. Witchcraft and its many cousins, such as fortune-telling and necromancy, are Satan’s counterfeits to holy spirituality. The Bible expressly condemns all forms of witchcraft.

Since early times, people have sought supernatural experiences God did not endorse. The nations that surrounded the Promised Land were saturated with such practices, and God had stern words for His people concerning any involvement with them. Deuteronomy 18:9–12 says, “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.”

God takes witchcraft very seriously. The penalty for practicing witchcraft under the Mosaic Law was death (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 20:27). First Chronicles 10:13 tells us that “Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance.” In the New Testament, “sorcery” is translated from the Greek word pharmakeia, from which we get our word pharmacy(Galatians 5:20; Revelation 18:23). Witchcraft and spiritism often involve the ritualistic use of magic potions and mind-controlling drugs. Using illicit drugs can open ourselves up to the invasion of demonic spirits. Engaging in a practice or taking a substance to achieve an altered state of consciousness is a form of witchcraft.

There are only two sources of spiritual power: God and Satan. Satan has only the power that God allows him to have, but it is considerable (Job 1:12; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:2). To seek spirituality, knowledge, or power apart from God is idolatry, closely related to witchcraft. First Samuel 15:23 says, “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” Witchcraft is Satan’s realm, and he excels in counterfeiting what God does. When Moses performed miracles before Pharaoh, the magicians did the same things through demonic power (Exodus 8:7). At the heart of witchcraft is the desire to know the future and control events that are not ours to control. Those abilities belong only to the Lord. This desire has its roots in Satan’s first temptation to Eve: “You can be like God” (Genesis 3:5).

Since the Garden of Eden, Satan’s major focus has been to divert human hearts away from worship of the true God (Genesis 3:1). He entices humans with the suggestions of power, self-realization, and spiritual enlightenment apart from submission to the Lord God. Witchcraft is merely another branch of that enticement. To become involved in witchcraft in any way is to enter Satan’s realm. Seemingly “harmless” modern entanglements with witchcraft can include horoscopes, Ouija boards, Eastern meditation rituals, and some video and role-playing games. Any practice that dabbles in a power source other than the Lord Jesus Christ is witchcraft. Revelation 22:15 includes witches in a list of those who will not inherit eternal life: “Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.”

We don’t need to fear Satan’s power, but we should respect it and stay away from it. First John 4:4 says, “Greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world.” Satan can create much havoc, harm, and destruction, even in the lives of believers (1 Thessalonians 2:18; Job 1:12–18; 1 Corinthians 5:5). However, if we belong to the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no power that can ultimately defeat us (Isaiah 54:17). We are overcomers (1 John 5:4) as we “put on the whole armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes” (Ephesians 6:11). When we give our lives to Christ, we must repent. This repentance should include renouncing any involvement with witchcraft, following the example of the early believers in Acts 19:19.

Isaiah 8:19 says, “When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?” When we follow those words to their logical conclusion, we could also ask, “Why seek any power apart from the source of all real power? Why seek spirits who are not the Holy Spirit?” Witchcraft and its many counterparts promise spirituality but lead only to emptiness and death (Micah 5:12; Galatians 5:19–21). Only Jesus has the words of life (John 6:68).
 
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Seriously, people. Spells and counterspells?
I get where you are going. Yet maybe for different reasons. I don’t give it much thought as being indwelled by the Holy Spirit what can some curse or hex do to me. So I seriously don’t lose any sleep over it.

Until I remember the accounts of intelligent men and women who have served in Haiti for various relief efforts. Both military and medical relief professionals. These were not the superstitious types. Some were Christian mostly Roman Catholic or what is called nominal Christians. Not an Evangelical or Fundamentalist in the lot. These are professionals I served with and went into higher education with. One an agnostic nurse my wife and I befriended over the years. A few with ongoing emotional and psychological issues after serving there in relief efforts. When asked to sum it up they call it evil.

As a Christian I do believe in the supernatural. The very calling of God is a supernatural transformation. We are warned there is warfare in the unseen of principalities and powers.

Now are these witches the article speaks of the same type of evil my friends and colleagues experienced? Don’t know but suspect it is a front for protest less people devoted to evil to harm another person.
 
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Question: "What does the Bible say about witchcraft / witches? Should a Christian fear witchcraft?"

Answer:
The Bible has a lot to say about witchcraft. Witchcraft and its many cousins, such as fortune-telling and necromancy, are Satan’s counterfeits to holy spirituality. The Bible expressly condemns all forms of witchcraft.

Since early times, people have sought supernatural experiences God did not endorse. The nations that surrounded the Promised Land were saturated with such practices, and God had stern words for His people concerning any involvement with them. Deuteronomy 18:9–12 says, “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.”

God takes witchcraft very seriously. The penalty for practicing witchcraft under the Mosaic Law was death (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 20:27). First Chronicles 10:13 tells us that “Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance.” In the New Testament, “sorcery” is translated from the Greek word pharmakeia, from which we get our word pharmacy(Galatians 5:20; Revelation 18:23). Witchcraft and spiritism often involve the ritualistic use of magic potions and mind-controlling drugs. Using illicit drugs can open ourselves up to the invasion of demonic spirits. Engaging in a practice or taking a substance to achieve an altered state of consciousness is a form of witchcraft.

There are only two sources of spiritual power: God and Satan. Satan has only the power that God allows him to have, but it is considerable (Job 1:12; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:2). To seek spirituality, knowledge, or power apart from God is idolatry, closely related to witchcraft. First Samuel 15:23 says, “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” Witchcraft is Satan’s realm, and he excels in counterfeiting what God does. When Moses performed miracles before Pharaoh, the magicians did the same things through demonic power (Exodus 8:7). At the heart of witchcraft is the desire to know the future and control events that are not ours to control. Those abilities belong only to the Lord. This desire has its roots in Satan’s first temptation to Eve: “You can be like God” (Genesis 3:5).

Since the Garden of Eden, Satan’s major focus has been to divert human hearts away from worship of the true God (Genesis 3:1). He entices humans with the suggestions of power, self-realization, and spiritual enlightenment apart from submission to the Lord God. Witchcraft is merely another branch of that enticement. To become involved in witchcraft in any way is to enter Satan’s realm. Seemingly “harmless” modern entanglements with witchcraft can include horoscopes, Ouija boards, Eastern meditation rituals, and some video and role-playing games. Any practice that dabbles in a power source other than the Lord Jesus Christ is witchcraft. Revelation 22:15 includes witches in a list of those who will not inherit eternal life: “Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.”

We don’t need to fear Satan’s power, but we should respect it and stay away from it. First John 4:4 says, “Greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world.” Satan can create much havoc, harm, and destruction, even in the lives of believers (1 Thessalonians 2:18; Job 1:12–18; 1 Corinthians 5:5). However, if we belong to the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no power that can ultimately defeat us (Isaiah 54:17). We are overcomers (1 John 5:4) as we “put on the whole armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes” (Ephesians 6:11). When we give our lives to Christ, we must repent. This repentance should include renouncing any involvement with witchcraft, following the example of the early believers in Acts 19:19.

Isaiah 8:19 says, “When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?” When we follow those words to their logical conclusion, we could also ask, “Why seek any power apart from the source of all real power? Why seek spirits who are not the Holy Spirit?” Witchcraft and its many counterparts promise spirituality but lead only to emptiness and death (Micah 5:12; Galatians 5:19–21). Only Jesus has the words of life (John 6:68).
In a nutshell anything which detracts from the focus on God and worshiping and following Him is idolatry.

Good info. Thanks.
 
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I think this is the problem of superstition. If you go through history people love to have simple problem, cause and solution. Which is also why so such injustice and abuse goes on, extreme politics occurs and abuse and sin happens.

It is why I actually believe in people discovering who they are and how they work is part of being free and know the truth. And from my experience Jesus and following Him bring that into our lives, if we are open. It does not mean what you see as "christian" carries this, but there are people who are truly alive amongst it all.

God bless you

That's all well and nice, but getting back to the point:

I have a little thought experiment.

I run the judicial system in a community. A man comes along and does not like another party. They go up to them and hit them in the face. For assault they are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

A man comes along and does not like another party. He goes to a caster of hexes to harm the other party. The other party suffers harm because of the hex. For this assault the hexer and the person asking for it are fined and put in prison for a few weeks.

Now do you see the similarity in these scenarios. I do not believe in magic or its supposed power, but if you encourage people to believe they can cause real harm, then equally those who do such real harm should be punished.

There is no right to punish people outside the judicial system, which is why it exists to bring justice, with the confines of what is possible.

Part of your thought experiment involves punishing "hexers" based on... superstition?
 
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That's all well and nice, but getting back to the point:

Part of your thought experiment involves punishing "hexers" based on... superstition?

There is a contradiction in the social out working of if you believe hexes are real what happens. And it is the same as people attacking others.

In the past I have read stories of people blaming illness on curses put on them by someone else who hated them, or at least that is what they believed. Equally the idea that a community was being attacked or punished because of the presence of "evil" individuals is also not uncommon.

So I would say believing in hexes does no one any good. I would suggest finding a more positive way of expressing ones contribution to live and mankind.
 
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There is a contradiction in the social out working of if you believe hexes are real what happens. And it is the same as people attacking others.

In the past I have read stories of people blaming illness on curses put on them by someone else who hated them, or at least that is what they believed. Equally the idea that a community was being attacked or punished because of the presence of "evil" individuals is also not uncommon.

So I would say believing in hexes does no one any good. I would suggest finding a more positive way of expressing ones contribution to live and mankind.
So, if I believe that I am attacked by people, who have no means of attacking me, it is their fault if my belief causes me harm?
 
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So, if I believe that I am attacked by people, who have no means of attacking me, it is their fault if my belief causes me harm?

That is not what I am saying.
I am saying the road to causing others harm leads to sin and death.

I am commenting on the social reprecussions of hexes.
 
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That is not what I am saying.
I am saying the road to causing others harm leads to sin and death.

I am commenting on the social reprecussions of hexes.
But hexes do not cause others harm. Hexes cannot cause harm to others. Hexes do not work.

The only thing that might result in harm in the personal belief that you have been "hexed" and thus are going to be harmed. And that brings us back to my question: would it then be the fault of the "hexer" if it is the belief that causes the harm, and not your own misguided belief?
 
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But hexes do not cause others harm. Hexes cannot cause harm to others. Hexes do not work.

The only thing that might result in harm in the personal belief that you have been "hexed" and thus are going to be harmed. And that brings us back to my question: would it then be the fault of the "hexer" if it is the belief that causes the harm, and not your own misguided belief?

I think you miss-understand the problem.
What is the cause of violence? The emotional and structural things that lead up to violence which are in how we think about others.

So if you encourage violence in ones heart against others, in the end it will become real. And people do and will manipulate groups into aggression against another group, using accusations of violence which will in the end lead to actual violence.

Why did the Incas sacrifice humans? Because the gods demanded it, and punished the people if they did not do it. Humans have fallen for this idiology down through the years.

So my point is it is self destructive to encourage revenge, hatred, anger against others, so any group who does this is self defeating. If also helps to share this with those who might scape goat their issues onto another group. It is why world views and who is at fault for our struggles in no innocent role. You inherit the world model you believe in.
 
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There is a contradiction in the social out working of if you believe hexes are real what happens. And it is the same as people attacking others.

In the past I have read stories of people blaming illness on curses put on them by someone else who hated them, or at least that is what they believed. Equally the idea that a community was being attacked or punished because of the presence of "evil" individuals is also not uncommon.

So I would say believing in hexes does no one any good. I would suggest finding a more positive way of expressing ones contribution to live and mankind.

That's all well and nice, but you're still talking about punishing people based on superstition.
 
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Are they some of the same ones that investigated Hillary?

No, the 35 or whatever investigations/hearings/etc. into Sec. Clinton were kangaroo courts run by Republicans like Darrel Issa and Trey Gowdy.
 
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1. You realize that the westboro "church" is a false flag operation started by a democrat attorney who was an Al Gore supporter, right?

No, I don't know that. Probably because it's not true.
 
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Four of my great-grandmothers were accused during the Salem hysteria and three of them were hanged. Another uncle and aunt by marriage were hanged as well.

None of them were witches because witches don't exist. We need to be cautious about taking this garbage seriously lest innocent people get hurt or killed.
 
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