Validity of Origen's writings?

Do you think body/soul/spirit is man made in the image of the Trinity?


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Could it be the Church and the man?

Yes. The temple concept applies in several different ways:

1. OT Temple - Physical and symbolic dwelling place of God and place of atonement.
2. Jesus Christ - The penultimate dwelling place of God and place of atonement.
3. The Church - The mystical body of Christ and the dwelling place of God the Spirit. Place where the message of atonement is proclaimed.
4. The individual Christian - Indwelt by the Triune God, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Yes. The temple concept applies in several different ways:

1. OT Temple - Physical and symbolic dwelling place of God and place of atonement.
2. Jesus Christ - The penultimate dwelling place of God and place of atonement.
3. The Church - The mystical body of Christ and the dwelling place of God the Spirit. Place where the message of atonement is proclaimed.
4. The individual Christian - Indwelt by the Triune God, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.

Naos is used for temple which is the Holy of Holies which is of the three part Solomons temple. Doesnt it relate to part of the temple?
 
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So are you saying our bodies are the Holy of Holies? If so, biblically the Holy of Holies can never be defiled without death.

Our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit because the Spirit makes His dwelling in us. That's the only thing it means, that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. This is an important point in Paul's argument because, since the Spirit dwells in us we shouldn't defile ourselves by having sex with temple prostitutes.

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Can you please expand upon the idea that 1 Cor 3:16-17 is talking about the Church rather than an individual?

Paul uses the plural form of "you". We are the temple of God as the Church, a theme consistently repeated throughout Scripture. The language of the temple applies to Christ and His Church, we see it all throughout the New Testament.

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Naos is used for temple which is the Holy of Holies which is of the three part Solomons temple. Doesnt it relate to part of the temple?

Naos is the Greek word for temple. Nous is the Greek word for mind. Two different words. I'm not sure what connection you're trying to make.
 
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Our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit because the Spirit makes His dwelling in us. That's the only thing it means, that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. This is an important point in Paul's argument because, since the Spirit dwells in us we shouldn't defile ourselves by having sex with temple prostitutes.

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But where does he dwell...if out bodies can be defiled and our intentions in our soul....where could He reside that is not defiled?
 
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But where does he dwell...if out bodies can be defiled and out intentions in our spirit....where could He reside?

Like, an actual physical location that if I were get an X-Ray scan one could see the Holy Spirit there? That's not going to happen.

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Like, an actual physical location that if I were get an X-Ray scan one could see the Holy Spirit there? That's not going to happen.

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If spirit is non physical do you think that can be the naos since that can not be defiled??
 
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But where does he dwell...if out bodies can be defiled and our intentions in our soul....where could He reside that is not defiled?

There is no part of us that is undefiled. We are "defiled in every part" as the old hymn says. God does not become defiled by dwelling within us. Rather, we become holy.
 
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There is no part of us that is undefiled. We are "defiled in every part" as the old hymn says. God does not become defiled by dwelling within us. Rather, we become holy.

So we cant get sick in the body through sin and the mind through things like adultery. We cant be inhabited by a demon in the body and mind? Of course, God is never defiled.
 
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So we cant get sick in the body through sin and the mind through things like adultery. We cant be inhabited by a demon in the body and mind? Of course, God is never defiled.

We can and do get sick in the body. Our souls and minds are even now corrupted by the presence of indwelling sin. I'm not sure that it's possible for a believer to be demon possessed.
 
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We can and do get sick in the body. Our souls and minds are even now corrupted by the presence of indwelling sin. I'm not sure that it's possible for a believer to be demon possessed.

Been there, Ive been possessed and I am Spirit-Filled believer :) God is good to set the captives free!
 
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We can and do get sick in the body. Our souls and minds are even now corrupted by the presence of indwelling sin. I'm not sure that it's possible for a believer to be demon possessed.
I've been busy. You said soul and spirit are interchangeable, but they are not. There is a whole list of reasons why they are not.

Even if trichotomy is not true, soul and spirit are definitively not the same things. That is not orthodox theology, and it's not proper dualism either. It is monism.
 
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I've never witnessed an exorcism.



The Bible isn't written in Aramaic aside from a few selections in Daniel which are not relevant to this discussion.

The relevant Hebrew words are:
  1. ruach - Spirit, wind, breath
  2. nephesh - life, neck, soul
  3. lev - heart, mind
The relevant Greek words are
  1. psyche - soul, person
  2. pneuma - spirit, wind, breath
  3. nous - mind
  4. kardia - heart
Certainly these words can have different nuances in different situations. For example, if one says "my life is in danger" they will probably use nephesh rather than lev because of the connotations. But all of these terms point to the inner life of man and no sharp division between soul, spirit, mind, and heart is possible.

This doesn't really have any direct connection to the concept of the temple.


One could read it as follows :

· This individuality of man, however, may be denoted by pneuma as well, but with a distinction. Nephesh or "soul" can only denote the individual life with a material organization or body. Pneuma or "spirit" is not so restricted. Scripture speaks of "spirits of just men made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23), where there can be no thought of a material or physical or corporeal organization. They are "spiritual beings freed from the assaults and defilement of the flesh" (Delitzsch).

If the Bible says we are the Holy of Holies, which part of us is the Holy of Holies? If the Holy of Holies is defiled it brings death. That is why priests had to wear bells and a rope to go into the Holy of Holies. In case he died, they would have to pull him out.

The outer courts can be defiled... ie Money Changers
The inner courts can be defiled.... Idols placed in the inner courts in Ez 8.
Th Holy of Holies brings death to defilement.
 
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One could read it as follows :

· This individuality of man, however, may be denoted by pneuma as well, but with a distinction. Nephesh or "soul" can only denote the individual life with a material organization or body. Pneuma or "spirit" is not so restricted. Scripture speaks of "spirits of just men made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23), where there can be no thought of a material or physical or corporeal organization. They are "spiritual beings freed from the assaults and defilement of the flesh" (Delitzsch).

If the Bible says we are the Holy of Holies, which part of us is the Holy of Holies? If the Holy of Holies is defiled it brings death. That is why priests had to wear bells and a rope to go into the Holy of Holies. In case he died, they would have to pull him out.

The outer courts can be defiled... ie Money Changers
The inner courts can be defiled.... Idols placed in the inner courts in Ez 8.
Th Holy of Holies brings death to defilement.
I don't want to stop your debate, but it seems somewhat roundabout and too based on a single verse. I think it's just a matter of properly combining OT cosmology & NT cosmology. It's not a total rewrite, it's like a new operating system that runs all the old programs but has a richer interface for new programs.

The OT describes the world of souls in great detail, so that didn't need to be reiterated. What was needed was to answer King Solomon's question in Eccl 3:21. Only Christ could describe the world of the spirit and Heaven.
 
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I do not think a Christian can be possessed by a demon but since this is Traditional Theology forum I wonder if the Church father mention any thing like this?
The term "unclean spirit" is used many times.
 
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Since this is the Traditional theology forum it would be nice to post something from the Church Fathers and what they said. Note I am not talking about the Bible but the Early Church Fathers
 
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