Physical Kingdom Problems

BABerean2 · Oct 15, 2018

HTacianas said:
Add to that the idea that Jesus would be physically sitting on a throne in Jerusalem.

It's easy enough for someone to reject a spiritual kingdom, or rebel against a spiritual god, but what of the rebellion at the end of the millennium?

It's often difficult for some to believe in God, mostly because they can't see Him. How many would refuse to believe, or cease believing, if He was physically right there?

When the woman at the well stated that earthly Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship, Jesus corrected her in the passage below.

Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Below we see the wicked hiding from the Lamb.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
(Many of these same characters are found in chapter 19.)
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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Ken Rank · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
Jesus refutes the physical kingdom. This is one of the reasons the Pharisees rejected him. They looked for a physical kingdom.

First of all, Paul was a Pharisee but not "was" he said near his death, "I AM a Pharisee." I am Dave, not I was. Second, the Jews that rejected him (Pharisees aside) rejected him because they expected the exiles (the Northern Kingdom) to be returned with messiah. This leads into a two messiah teaching of Judaism which has messiah ben Joseph the suffering servant and messiah ben David the conquering king. They are one and the same... two comings of one person. But, being under Roman rule, they expected the conquering king. The Pharisees rejected him ONLY BECAUSE Yeshua was a threat to their authority over the people, nothing more and nothing less.

As for the physical Kingdom... you have to ignore, oh what... 100 prophesies about a physical Kingdom in order to hold your view. You have to skew a couple of NT verses and ignore the OT entirely in order to have your view.

Ken Rank · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
Jesus refutes the physical kingdom. This is one of the reasons the Pharisees rejected him. They looked for a physical kingdom.

Dave... just curious... what do you do with this:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
Zec 14:18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

The nations who came against Jerusalem (during the tribulation) will go to Jerusalem AFTER the tribulation to keep TABERNACLES... a feast you teach is done away with? And when they don't, God will punish them by withholding rain. What do you do with that, Dave? Ignore it?

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

Ken Rank said:
Dave... just curious... what do you do with this:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
Zec 14:18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

The nations who came against Jerusalem (during the tribulation) will go to Jerusalem AFTER the tribulation to keep TABERNACLES... a feast you teach is done away with? And when they don't, God will punish them by withholding rain. What do you do with that, Dave? Ignore it?

This might help answer your question.

The day of exaltation (vv. 10–11)

Zechariah further states that Jerusalem ‘shall be raised up and inhabited’ (v. 10). Michael Bentley offers this explanation: ‘The church of Jesus Christ will be lifted out of the valley of doubt, fear, dejection and despondency and will be raised up to confident hope and assurance of God’s grace and life eternal. It will be built upon its eternal foundation, the Lord Jesus Christ, the immovable rock …’1
Furthermore, the New Jerusalem will be ‘safely inhabited’ (v. 11). The people who will inhabit that city know what it is to be opposed and endangered as they walk through this world, but all threats will be banished in the heavenly Jerusalem.

The day of worship (vv. 16–19)

The primary occupation of heaven will be the worship of the God of heaven. In these verses, the prophet foresees those who are ‘left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem’ (v. 16) joining in the worship. This indicates the conversion of those who once were the enemies of God and his people. Conversion makes God’s enemies his friends and sinners his subjects.
What are we to make of the reference to these converts keeping the Feast of Tabernacles (v. 16)? This feast was designed to commemorate the wandering of the people of Israel for forty years in the wilderness, during which time they were compelled to live in temporary booths or shelters. During the eight days of the feast, the Jews would recall those years by constructing temporary shelters for themselves and staying in them during the feast.
The Feast of Tabernacles was also a harvest festival. James Ayre writes of it, ‘It reminds them that God brought them out of a desert into a glorious land flowing with milk and honey; a land of broad rivers and streams.’2
The mention of this particular feast in relation to eternal glory should therefore be taken to mean that the saints who worship in heaven will be mindful of their wandering before they were saved and of the grace that made them part of God’s great spiritual harvest.
We cannot leave this section without noting that those who are not present to participate in the worship of heaven are under the judgement of God and plagued by him, just like Egypt of old (Exod. 7:14–10:29; 12:29–30).

Ellsworth, R. (2010). Opening Up Zechariah (pp. 134–136). Leominster: Day One Publications.

Brian Mcnamee · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
Physical Kingdom Problems

Jesus’ kingdom is spiritual. And this is a problem for the physical kingdom views of a Millennium. Where these say the kingdom will come before the end of the world and remain for 1000 years. Jesus says it is already here. (Luke 11:20). Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit it (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus says it comes without observation (Luke 17:20). And John says only those born-again can enter it (John 3:5).

This means, if a millennial kingdom were to come after the resurrection and rapture, the only place scripture allows for it (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17), only saints in glorified bodies would populate it. (Since flesh and blood cannot inherit it). So when the 1000 years would end with Satan loosed, only myriads of glorified saints would avail themselves to form Gog and Magog and attack the rest of the glorified saints.

Another problem would be fitting a millennium into this present evil world after Jesus already said his kingdom is not of this world. And a Millennium cannot be in the world to come. Because it is a perfect world, not having the sin and conflicts an earthly millennium has. Infants dying a hundred years old and cursed sinners a hundred years old and so on. And beside these two worlds or ages, scripture mentions no other.

Also, with a 1000-year millennium on earth, anyone would know the time of the end. And this is something only the Father knows. Some might argue an indefinite period of time remains after the 1000 years while Satan wreaks havoc on the church. But if this were the case, you must cram it all into earth’s last day. “For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; then when Christ comes, those who belong to him. Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when he has brought to an end all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be eliminated is death.” (1 Corinthians 15:22–26)

So people would still know the time of the end. Because Paul says Jesus must reign until he destroys the last enemy – death. And this happens at the end of the world.

Hi the literalist could present a great many scriptural contradictions for those who hold to your view. They see the Rapture as Jesus coming for his saints and on a day no one knows for sure. They see this as a separate event from Him coming with his saints in the day of wrath and judgment. The idea of the kingdom is twofold. Being born again is how to enter the kingdom. The promise of the kingdom of God coming and reining on earth is found in many places. If the LORD established the kingdom already why would Rev 11 have an angles proclaim that the kingdoms of this earth have become the kingdoms of the LORD and his Christ and He shall reign forever and ever? This prophecy is tied to the time of the two witnesses whom you have previously claimed to be the New and Old Testaments. But there is that earthquake the is supposed to destroy 1//10th of Jerusalem and kill 7000 people at same time. history does not record this happening in 70AD. Zechariah 14 shows the LORD coming with his saints on a day when the MT of Olives is split in two forming a new valley and a new river that flows year round. This is a day the LORD melts his enemies and the day they say the LORD is king over all the earth. Then life is continuing on earth as the nations must now keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain. Even Egypt is said to get no rain if they do not come. Again life continuing after the LORD is king over all the earth. You wrongly assume that only the saved will inherit the kingdom when it is on earth. Zech 14 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Here clearly there are those left on earth at the 2nd coming that were not raptured.
You have to ignore the possibility that the promise of 1000 years may be literal. How is it that the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire for 1000 years while Satan is bound for that same time and those beheaded live again and reign with Jesus for 1000 years while the nations are no longer deceived for 1000 years before Satan is released at the and of the 1000 years all occur before the great white throne judgment? If this is literal you must be in danger of taking away form the text. The literal view shows Dan 2 the stone cut without hands comes and destroys the image of the kingdoms of mans kingdoms and becomes a kingdom that covers the earth and this kingdom will never end. Jesus will reign for 1000 years and His reign is not ended at the end of the millennium but continues on after the new Jerusalem comes down. The literal view sees Revelation as future and the return of the sacrifice as the stage set for the abomination of desolation. The current events have a global government being forwarded that is anti everything Christian and promising peace and safety as jesus said they would be and also seeking to divide Israel and Jerusalem and will bring in the 3rd temple. This is demonic and they will persecute those who turn to Christ in these days just as Daniel and Revelation teach. All the dominoes are lined up for these prophecies to be fulfilled literally.

Brian Mcnamee · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
This might help answer your question.

The day of exaltation (vv. 10–11)

Zechariah further states that Jerusalem ‘shall be raised up and inhabited’ (v. 10). Michael Bentley offers this explanation: ‘The church of Jesus Christ will be lifted out of the valley of doubt, fear, dejection and despondency and will be raised up to confident hope and assurance of God’s grace and life eternal. It will be built upon its eternal foundation, the Lord Jesus Christ, the immovable rock …’1
Furthermore, the New Jerusalem will be ‘safely inhabited’ (v. 11). The people who will inhabit that city know what it is to be opposed and endangered as they walk through this world, but all threats will be banished in the heavenly Jerusalem.

The day of worship (vv. 16–19)

The primary occupation of heaven will be the worship of the God of heaven. In these verses, the prophet foresees those who are ‘left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem’ (v. 16) joining in the worship. This indicates the conversion of those who once were the enemies of God and his people. Conversion makes God’s enemies his friends and sinners his subjects.
What are we to make of the reference to these converts keeping the Feast of Tabernacles (v. 16)? This feast was designed to commemorate the wandering of the people of Israel for forty years in the wilderness, during which time they were compelled to live in temporary booths or shelters. During the eight days of the feast, the Jews would recall those years by constructing temporary shelters for themselves and staying in them during the feast.
The Feast of Tabernacles was also a harvest festival. James Ayre writes of it, ‘It reminds them that God brought them out of a desert into a glorious land flowing with milk and honey; a land of broad rivers and streams.’2
The mention of this particular feast in relation to eternal glory should therefore be taken to mean that the saints who worship in heaven will be mindful of their wandering before they were saved and of the grace that made them part of God’s great spiritual harvest.
We cannot leave this section without noting that those who are not present to participate in the worship of heaven are under the judgement of God and plagued by him, just like Egypt of old (Exod. 7:14–10:29; 12:29–30).

Ellsworth, R. (2010). Opening Up Zechariah (pp. 134–136). Leominster: Day One Publications.

Dave you insist on being literal when it suits your case and then spiritualize everything that if literal destroys your case. you are not consistent. In your case against the millennium you tried to hold a literal interpretation and then use allegory at every turn to support it.

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

Brian Mcnamee said:
Hi the literalist could present a great many scriptural contradictions for those who hold to your view. They see the Rapture as Jesus coming for his saints and on a day no one knows for sure. They see this as a separate event from Him coming with his saints in the day of wrath and judgment. The idea of the kingdom is twofold. Being born again is how to enter the kingdom. The promise of the kingdom of God coming and reining on earth is found in many places. If the LORD established the kingdom already why would Rev 11 have an angles proclaim that the kingdoms of this earth have become the kingdoms of the LORD and his Christ and He shall reign forever and ever? This prophecy is tied to the time of the two witnesses whom you have previously claimed to be the New and Old Testaments. But there is that earthquake the is supposed to destroy 1//10th of Jerusalem and kill 7000 people at same time. history does not record this happening in 70AD. Zechariah 14 shows the LORD coming with his saints on a day when the MT of Olives is split in two forming a new valley and a new river that flows year round. This is a day the LORD melts his enemies and the day they say the LORD is king over all the earth. Then life is continuing on earth as the nations must now keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain. Even Egypt is said to get no rain if they do not come. Again life continuing after the LORD is king over all the earth. You wrongly assume that only the saved will inherit the kingdom when it is on earth. Zech 14 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Here clearly there are those left on earth at the 2nd coming that were not raptured.
You have to ignore the possibility that the promise of 1000 years may be literal. How is it that the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire for 1000 years while Satan is bound for that same time and those beheaded live again and reign with Jesus for 1000 years while the nations are no longer deceived for 1000 years before Satan is released at the and of the 1000 years all occur before the great white throne judgment? If this is literal you must be in danger of taking away form the text. The literal view shows Dan 2 the stone cut without hands comes and destroys the image of the kingdoms of mans kingdoms and becomes a kingdom that covers the earth and this kingdom will never end. Jesus will reign for 1000 years and His reign is not ended at the end of the millennium but continues on after the new Jerusalem comes down. The literal view sees Revelation as future and the return of the sacrifice as the stage set for the abomination of desolation. The current events have a global government being forwarded that is anti everything Christian and promising peace and safety as jesus said they would be and also seeking to divide Israel and Jerusalem and will bring in the 3rd temple. This is demonic and they will persecute those who turn to Christ in these days just as Daniel and Revelation teach. All the dominoes are lined up for these prophecies to be fulfilled literally.

It still remains, Jesus teaches the kingdom as spiritual and not physical. So all physical kingdom theories are false. You can refute this only after presenting direct quotes from Jesus saying the kingdom is physical.

claninja · Oct 15, 2018

HTacianas said:
It's often difficult for some to believe in God, mostly because they can't see Him. How many would refuse to believe, or cease believing, if He was physically right there?

Seeing doesn't necessarily mean believing.
Israel physically saw the messiah. They even physically saw his good works and miracles. They still rejected and crucified him.

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

Brian Mcnamee said:
Dave you insist on being literal when it suits your case and then spiritualize everything that if literal destroys your case. you are not consistent. In your case against the millennium you tried to hold a literal interpretation and then use allegory at every turn to support it.

Jesus refutes the physical kingdom view time and again.

BABerean2 · Oct 15, 2018

Brian Mcnamee said:
Dave you insist on being literal when it suits your case and then spiritualize everything that if literal destroys your case. you are not consistent. In your case against the millennium you tried to hold a literal interpretation and then use allegory at every turn to support it.

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parousia70 · Oct 15, 2018

Brian Mcnamee said:
Dave you insist on being literal when it suits your case and then spiritualize everything that if literal destroys your case. you are not consistent.

Says the "literalist" who MUST spiritualize, elasticize, stretch and twist "Soon, at hand, about to take place, must shortly come to pass, in a very little while, and without delay" since a literal rendering of those passages would destroy your case...

Maybe being "inconsistent" is only ok when YOU do it?

Ken Rank · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
This might help answer your question.

The day of exaltation (vv. 10–11)

Zechariah further states that Jerusalem ‘shall be raised up and inhabited’ (v. 10). Michael Bentley offers this explanation: ‘The church of Jesus Christ will be lifted out of the valley of doubt, fear, dejection and despondency and will be raised up to confident hope and assurance of God’s grace and life eternal. It will be built upon its eternal foundation, the Lord Jesus Christ, the immovable rock …’1
Furthermore, the New Jerusalem will be ‘safely inhabited’ (v. 11). The people who will inhabit that city know what it is to be opposed and endangered as they walk through this world, but all threats will be banished in the heavenly Jerusalem.

The day of worship (vv. 16–19)

The primary occupation of heaven will be the worship of the God of heaven. In these verses, the prophet foresees those who are ‘left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem’ (v. 16) joining in the worship. This indicates the conversion of those who once were the enemies of God and his people. Conversion makes God’s enemies his friends and sinners his subjects.
What are we to make of the reference to these converts keeping the Feast of Tabernacles (v. 16)? This feast was designed to commemorate the wandering of the people of Israel for forty years in the wilderness, during which time they were compelled to live in temporary booths or shelters. During the eight days of the feast, the Jews would recall those years by constructing temporary shelters for themselves and staying in them during the feast.
The Feast of Tabernacles was also a harvest festival. James Ayre writes of it, ‘It reminds them that God brought them out of a desert into a glorious land flowing with milk and honey; a land of broad rivers and streams.’2
The mention of this particular feast in relation to eternal glory should therefore be taken to mean that the saints who worship in heaven will be mindful of their wandering before they were saved and of the grace that made them part of God’s great spiritual harvest.
We cannot leave this section without noting that those who are not present to participate in the worship of heaven are under the judgement of God and plagued by him, just like Egypt of old (Exod. 7:14–10:29; 12:29–30).

Ellsworth, R. (2010). Opening Up Zechariah (pp. 134–136). Leominster: Day One Publications.

You're quoting some commentary to answer a question directed at you? That says a lot, Dave.

Regardless... it's a millennial kingdom set of verses. The nations have NEVER to date come to Jerusalem to keep Sukkot, which isn't a Jewish feast, it is a Feast of the Lord (see Lev. 23:2). They will come and worship the King (which means a King is on the throne, Dave) and if they don't, God will withhold rain.

The problem with what I said above isn't Scripture, because what I just said is Scripture. The problem is your timetable of end time events. Regardless... you had no answer, I suspected as much. Anyone can copy and paste from commentaries, Dave.

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

Ken Rank said:
You're quoting some commentary to answer a question directed at you? That says a lot, Dave.

Regardless... it's a millennial kingdom set of verses. The nations have NEVER to date come to Jerusalem to keep Sukkot, which isn't a Jewish feast, it is a Feast of the Lord (see Lev. 23:2). They will come and worship the King (which means a King is on the throne, Dave) and if they don't, God will withhold rain.

The problem with what I said above isn't Scripture, because what I just said is Scripture. The problem is your timetable of end time events. Regardless... you had no answer, I suspected as much. Anyone can copy and paste from commentaries, Dave.

The commentary answers better than I can. But unless you understand Jesus on the nature of the kingdom and Israel, you'll never understand Zechariah.

DavidPT · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
Scripture mentions only one rapture. It happens after the resurrection on the last day.

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–18)

After what resurrection though? After the resurrection of the just and unjust, or after the resurrection of the just? Which resurrection would these fit----the dead in Christ shall rise first? The resurrection of the just? Or the resurrection of the unjust?

There might only be one rapture but that hardly means there is not more than one resurrection then, each taking place at a different time. The chronology would be like this. The resurrection of the just. The rapture. The resurrection of the unjust. Or better yet----The resurrection of the just. The rapture. The resurrection of the unjust. The great white throne judgment. But that doesn't necessarily mean the latter two occur immediately after the former two though.

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

DavidPT said:
After what resurrection though? After the resurrection of the just and unjust, or after the resurrection of the just? Which resurrection would these fit----the dead in Christ shall rise first? The resurrection of the just? Or the resurrection of the unjust?

There might only be one rapture but that hardly means there is not more than one resurrection then, each taking place at a different time. The chronology would be like this. The resurrection of the just. The rapture. The resurrection of the unjust. Or better yet----The resurrection of the just. The rapture. The resurrection of the unjust. The great white throne judgment. But that doesn't necessarily mean the latter two occur immediately after the former two though.

It all happens on the last day, not before.

Ken Rank · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
The commentary answers better than I can. But unless you understand Jesus on the nature of the kingdom and Israel, you'll never understand Zechariah.

Dave, with respect... if you are going to come on a forum and argue vehemently against people who have studied, and can only do it by copying and pasting the thoughts of somebody else... then you have no right to argue because you don't even have a thought on the matter. You're a kind man I am sure, you love the Lord... but you have this really narrow window of what can and can't be acceptable and anything outside of it you simply have to ignore. You can live in that realm if that is where you need to live, but to take up a place to argue from when you can even give your own answer... don't hold any weight at all.

James Honigman · Oct 15, 2018

As Peter tells us in 11 Peter chapter 3 there is a new heaven and a new earth about to take place. I believe this will be at the end of the seventh day, the millennial day, which is about to begin. However, no one will be in their physical bodies when it does. We must believe the Holy Spirit, Who tells us through Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 that we have two bodies. We all inherit our spiritual bodies at the return of our Beloved. As Paul says, those who are alive and remain will be changed. I'm enjoying the spirited discussion. Carry on. James.

Dave L · Oct 15, 2018

Ken Rank said:
Dave, with respect... if you are going to come on a forum and argue vehemently against people who have studied, and can only do it by copying and pasting the thoughts of somebody else... then you have no right to argue because you don't even have a thought on the matter. You're a kind man I am sure, you love the Lord... but you have this really narrow window of what can and can't be acceptable and anything outside of it you simply have to ignore. You can live in that realm if that is where you need to live, but to take up a place to argue from when you can even give your own answer... don't hold any weight at all.

Let me put it into my own words then. Zechariah 14 depicts the New Covenant era but needs New Covenant definitions of Old Covenant terms before we can understand it. So essentially you cannot know the meaning of the passage until you understand who Israel is (according to the NT). Or the nature of the Kingdom. Or what Jesus means by the Restoration of Israel.

DavidPT · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
It all happens on the last day, not before.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The text indicates satan is cast into the LOF where the beast and fp already are already dwelling. What then is the chronology? When do the beast and fp and satan get cast into the LOF? At the same time? Or at different times? Does Revelation 19 make any mention of anyone getting cast into the LOF at that time? Yes. Who does the text indicate gets cast into the LOF at that time? Does it not indicate it is the beast and fp who do? What about satan? Does the text in Revelation 19 indicate he also gets cast cast into the LOF at the time? No. So when does satan get cast into the LOF then, since we know from Revelation 20 that he does?

I know, I know---I wasted my time yet again asking all of these things because your response will likely be your typical one liner you often give, thus not actually addressing nor answering anything asked of you.

Ken Rank · Oct 15, 2018

Dave L said:
Let me put it into my own words then. Zechariah 14 depicts the New Covenant era but needs New Covenant definitions of Old Covenant terms before we can understand it. So essentially you cannot know the meaning of the passage until you understand who Israel is (according to the NT). Or the nature of the Kingdom. Or what Jesus means by the Restoration of Israel.

You mean the renewed covenant? Chadashah... the verb chadash which means 'to renew' being used as an adjective to describe the covenant?

And I know who Israel is... I would love to tell you but you won't give it a chance.

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