Should we sell our possessions to gain eternal life?

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I think Jesus often made seemingly outrageous statements like this to give us a picture of God's character. In other words, the lofty goals portrayed in his sermon on the mount give us a goal...a target...the pinnacle of what God's love looks like.
So in one part, he says "if someone demands your coat, give them your tunic as well". Now, obviously it sounds like we should give a robber twice what he is trying to steal. Would any of us do that? Is it possible?
So let's look at this from the robbers perspective: he is just doing his thing, taking from others what is not his. The strong fight back. The weak give up easily. But who happily gives what is his to the thief along with a blessing and well wishes? Would Jesus do that? Now let's take it to the next level: the victim not only happily hands over the goods, but gives him extra stuff too. What? I can only imagine what the thief must be thinking. It almost looks as if the victim loves the robber, doesn't it? Yes, and that is exactly how we are to treat our enemies...to love them, pray for them and do good to them.
Acting like this towards the wicked gives them a taste of God's love. It may soften their heart, it may not. The only agenda we should have is love, and this is how we really share it.
So, is it a command to be like this, to just let ourselves get taken advantage of? Well, it is not a command in the sense that our failure to do it will result in punishment...it's not THAT kind of command.
He is simply giving us a goal to shoot for. The closer we can get to that sort of love will get us closer and closer to the Living God. The greatest commandment is to love God and acting like him towards others is doing just that.

So as far as money, they ultimate goal might be to sell it all and give it to the poor, but the point to the rich, young ruler was that he loved his possessions more than he loved God. Jesus showed him that following Torah was good, but not enough. Jesus wanted him to stop loving money and to do this, he needs to willingly part with it. In the same way, if we love money more than God, we might need to part with it. We don't need to give it all away, but how about some of it? How about we find someone in need and bless them with a gift, not expecting to ever be repayed? Wouldn't that sense of love for another person be more valuable to us than $50?
Isn't that what this is all about?
 
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Just to set the right context, love is not just about warm feelings and words of encouragement (these are very good things too), it is also demonstrated by actions.
I like this definition of "Love" by Rabbi Dan Juster:

Love is passionate identification with the other person, perceiving their worth and seeking their good, guided by the law of God.

Love is passionate because it really includes emotional caring. Good is defined as the destiny fulfillment of a person.
This destiny is founded upon a loving relationship with God and others. The worth of people is defined by their being created in God's image, and by the fact that God sent his Son to die for them (John 3:16). However, the good of people has to be defined as guided by law. Nothing that goes against God's foundational moral law is ever good for people in the long run. Destiny fulfillment is always in unity with the law. This is why Biblical love is always lawful. I John is full of verses on this! This means that if we love people, we seek to establish an order of righteousness or justice for their good.
 
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I did not read the article. However, I know the Bible verse and what Jesus means. It is about esteeming Christ above everything else. It does not mean one has to sell, but one should be willing to sell if the Lord wants you to do so.

For example, when I first came to the Lord I owned a state of the art video camera which I bought for use in my gymnastics business. I wanted no idols of my heart so I gave the camera to my coach (I was also an athlete at the time), who accepted the camera at first, then later changed his mind and gave it back to me. After competing in the Nationals, I walked away from gymnastics completely giving my life wholly to Christ. A few years later the Lord led me to a Bible School in another state. When I graduated, I had an African friend who was going back to his home country to minister. Without prompting from the Lord, I felt my camera would be beneficial to his ministry, so I gave it to him. He accepted the gift gladly.

The point of the story is that I had let go of the camera in my heart when I was an athlete. Later when I saw a way to further the kingdom of God, there was no hesitation in my heart in giving it away. Things mean nothing to the Lord. It is our heart attachments that matter to the Lord.
 
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I like this definition of "Love" by Rabbi Dan Juster:

Love is passionate identification with the other person, perceiving their worth and seeking their good, guided by the law of God.

Love is passionate because it really includes emotional caring. Good is defined as the destiny fulfillment of a person.
This destiny is founded upon a loving relationship with God and others. The worth of people is defined by their being created in God's image, and by the fact that God sent his Son to die for them (John 3:16). However, the good of people has to be defined as guided by law. Nothing that goes against God's foundational moral law is ever good for people in the long run. Destiny fulfillment is always in unity with the law. This is why Biblical love is always lawful. I John is full of verses on this! This means that if we love people, we seek to establish an order of righteousness or justice for their good.

1 John 3:17-18 also emphasizes action in love.

The command to love one another as we love ourselves falls into that. We don't just love ourselves emotionally. It also involves action. Especially we would make quantifiable actions for the sake of our survival for example. We don't just pray for our own surival but also involves actions and time.
 
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In Acts the church practiced "Jerusalem Communism". Abraham Kuiper explains that Jerusalem "communism" says "what's mine is yours." Modern communism says "what's yours is mine."

So giving in love is good. But giving reluctantly and legalistically yields nothing.

“And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.” (1 Corinthians 13:3)
 
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In Acts the church practiced "Jerusalem Communism". Abraham Kuiper explains that Jerusalem "communism" says "what's mine is yours."
Which avoided a lot of problems when a persecution rose up after a while and everyone's real estate was seized.

But for the rest of the NT, Paul was taking up collections to help the impoverished believers in Jerusalem. IOW, it did not work in the long run.
 
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Which avoided a lot of problems when a persecution rose up after a while and everyone's real estate was seized.

But for the rest of the NT, Paul was taking up collections to help the impoverished believers in Jerusalem. IOW, it did not work in the long run.
Paul's collections were part of the same..........
 
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Context is important. Jesus told the rich guy to do so. Not to me, you, the masses or Steve. No, to this guy. Why? Because his riches stood between himself and God. It is written that if you eye offends you, cut it out. Same thing here. The message to you and me and the masses is that if your belongings stand between you and God, the possessions have to go. Why? Because you can't serve both God and money. You can only have one master. Conversly, if money doesn't stand in the way and you are able to use it for the glory of God, then you are good to go. However, a word of warning. More possessions means temptation, so this is why it is generally to own what you need. Much simpler ;)
 
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Yes clearly. If you own anything, you will go to hell.

:rolleyes:
Those who interpret these verses literally to mean to give all of your material possessions away, should be respected just as much as those who take verses about hell, literally to mean a burning human oven.......
 
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Those who interpret these verses literally to mean to give all of your material possessions away, should be respected just as much as those who take verses about hell, literally to mean a burning human oven.......

I was being sarcastic you doofus. Look at my rolling eye emote.

I do not take that verse literally but ironically you took what I said literally.

:rolleyes:
 
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These verses werent for the rich man.....they are for us.....the readers of the story, to understand and gain eternal life.

Notice that after Jesus stated that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye..... than for a rich man to enter heaven, the disciples were shocked and felt that, because of this statement....NO ONE could get to heaven....NO ONE. Therefore, it would appear that they felt the whole world is equally Rich. so no one could be saved.... This would not make sense if they were thinking money and possessions.

Also notice that the "rich" man, knew enough about the Scriptures to know that he followed all the commandments......yet this wasnt enough.....so why are some giving us more commandments to remain poor in hopes of this being enough to enter heaven?

This scriptures are to help us......as long as it is only history, it will remain a mystery....
 
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I was being sarcastic you doofus. Look at my rolling eye emote.

I do not take that verse literally but ironically you took what I said literally.

:rolleyes:
My post would not make any sense, if i felt you were being serious...... it is clear you seldom think before you respond.
 
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My post would not make any sense, if i felt you were being serious...... it is clear you seldom think before you respond.

It would help if you typed in coherent English.
 
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Won't work. The article should have discussed the other half of those scriptures as well. Only Christ can save us (Mark 10:26-27), and that was exactly what the Lord was trying to explain to the rich ruler, that only God can do the impossible by saving our souls. Besides, even if I sell everything I have and give it to the poor, I'd still have no love apart from Christ and the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 13:3). We'll also end up becoming a burden to society, because now someone else will have to care for us. But, after we're saved, those of us who're being materially blessed have the responsibility of redistributing those blessings in holy fear (1 Timothy 6:17-19, James 2:15-17). Peace in Christ :).
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1 Cor 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

It is not about how religiously you can impoverish yourself.
...and this!
 
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Jesus advised a rich man to sell all he had to become his student. The man decided it was not a very good deal.

Proverbs 21:13 WEB "Whoever stops his ears at the cry of the poor,
he will also cry out, but shall not be heard."

Luke 6:38 WEB "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will be given to you. For with the same measure you measure it will be measured back to you."

Judas donated money he got for betraying Jesus to the chief priests to the temple treasury. God was not pleased with Judas' offering.

Galatians 2:10 WEB "They only asked us to remember the poor—which very thing I was also zealous to do." Paul was taking alms for the poor saints in Jerusalem. During his stay in Jerusalem he was arrested and handed over to the Romans.

While I know being poor is not a sign of sainthood, neither is being rich a sign of sainthood.
 
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Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, (9) not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
 
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