Announcement by Eastern Orthodoxy's Eucemenical Patriarch ratchets up dispute with Moscow

Michie said:

A long-simmering dispute between two of the world's leading Orthodox Churches got ratcheted up this week when the Eucemenical Patriarch, considered "first among equals" among the leaders of Orthodoxy, renewed a decision to grant Ukrainian Orthodox faithful ecclesiatical independence from the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Lord have mercy.

Michie said:

A long-simmering dispute between two of the world's leading Orthodox Churches got ratcheted up this week when the Eucemenical Patriarch, considered "first among equals" among the leaders of Orthodoxy, renewed a decision to grant Ukrainian Orthodox faithful ecclesiatical independence from the Russian Orthodox Church.

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It seems like a lot of Catholics forget about that kind of nonsense when they start waffling on the Catholic Church and look at the EO with hungry eyes.

Fenwick said:

It seems like a lot of Catholics forget about that kind of nonsense when they start waffling on the Catholic Church and look at the EO with hungry eyes.

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Yes. They have their troubles too. We should pray for them in earnest. They need us as we need them, if only ....

chevyontheriver said:

Yes. They have their troubles too. We should pray for them in earnest. They need us as we need them, if only ....

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Their troubles and ours come from the same source.

LivingWordUnity said:

Their troubles and ours come from the same source.

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I think so too. I suspect pope John Paul II also thought so, in his saying about beginning to breathe again with both lungs instead of only one lung. I know the Orthodox scorn that particular image, because they are sure they have all the lung they need.

We can have a curious hyperpapalism and they can have either a frozen xenophobic attitude or as we see now a schismatic attitude. We need each other for balance, them needing us more than we need them, but still we are incomplete without each other, and have been for a thousand years.

Our curious hyperpapalism is now practiced by the left, in love with every wword of pope Francis. In the recent past it was practiced by the right, in love with every word of the last few popes. In neither case was it a smart practice based on actual conciliar teaching. More on the Cliff's Notes version of Vatican I.

I once hoped for union between Orthodox and Catholics. I've given up on that after encountering more actual Orthodox. Shame, because we need it. They need it. It will be another thousand years IMHO.

chevyontheriver said:

I think so too. I suspect pope John Paul II also thought so, in his saying about beginning to breathe again with both lungs instead of only one lung.

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This is heterodox theology within our very own church too. Until pope JPii came up with the idea it didn't exist and it should have either.

87. "How do we teach traditional Christianity so it is accessible to culture without selling out to culture?"- Part 1 - Father Bill's Blog

So how will we settle, for example, the current “dust-up” over the Ukraine between the Ecumenical Patriarch and the Patriarch of Moscow? God only knows. The New York Times called this worst Christian division since 1054. Wrong. We’re forever having “jurisdictional” disputes like this. No big deal. It will work out somehow. In principle the solution comes by “consensus”, and sometimes it actually does! For now, unless the patriarchs take to shooting at each other, few Orthodox (except Russian and Ukrainian nationalists) will pay much attention to the commotion. Why not? Because Russia and Constantinople have no disagreement whatsoever about the Faith. That’s what matters.

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