Malachi the Prophet

keras · Oct 14, 2018

Malachi 4:1-6 This prophecy deals with what will happen to the people of Judah; the Jews and Israel; the Christians, in the last days. Read and carefully consider his Words:

For lo, the sun comes, glowing like a furnace and all the audacious sinners and all the perpetrators of wickedness will be like stubble. And the sun that comes shall burn them up... But the sun [Son] of mercy shall rise with healing in its wings for you who fear My Name...
[In the future, God will use the sun; the wicked will be judged by fire and all the righteous will be protected by Jesus. Isaiah 30:26 It will be the Sixth Seal event]

Keep in remembrance the teaching of Moses, My servant, and the laws and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
(The prophet tells them in the name of God; ‘Remember forever the Commandments of Moses, My servant: in every time and situation. )

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the Lord, that he may return the heart of the fathers through the children, and the heart of the children through their fathers — lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction.
(This means that to prevent a situation in which I will have to come and destroy the earth, I will send Elijah the prophet to arouse the people to repentance. Once they choose to obey, they will merit to be counted among those who fear My Name and their names will be Written in the Book of Life. Malachi 3:16-17)

The above prophecy “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet ... that he may return the heart of the fathers…” means that Elijah’s role to provide spiritual assistance to people living in This World, will take on immense proportions before the great and fearful Day of God, and he will awaken the heart of the people to repentance.
Indeed, what other convincing explanation do we have were for the wonderful commitment to the faith in these days, in which many youths and young adults are tenaciously swimming against the stream of hedonism and lusts which are part of our modern culture.

Elijah will return the heart of fathers; to the Almighty, through the children, by the children. They will show their parents by their joy and love; the right way to live.
Throughout Jewish and Christian history, the parents educated their children to observe Torah, the Bible and its Commandments. To come and say that a period will arrive when the sons will teach their fathers to repent, seems absurd.

But it is materializing before our eyes, as we see many parents becoming religious by the example of their children. “He will return the heart of fathers to the Almighty through the children.”

There is very little time left now, for people to repent and have their names Written in the Book of Life. The forthcoming great and terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible, is near and coming fast. Zephaniah 1:14-18

Hank77 · Oct 14, 2018

Malachi prophecy fulfilled per Jesus.

Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

A brief look at the ministry of John the Baptist reveals many notable ways that he was “Elijah.” First, God predicted John’s work as being like that of Elijah (Luke 1:17). Second, he dressed like Elijah (2 Kings 1:8 and Matthew 3:4). Third, like Elijah, John the Baptist preached in the wilderness (Matthew 3:1). Fourth, both men preached a message of repentance. Fifth, both men withstood kings and had high-profile enemies (1 Kings 18:17 and Matthew 14:3).
Why must Elijah return before the end times (Malachi 4:5-6)?

shilohsfoal · Oct 14, 2018

Im many instances the children will be deliverd to death by thiet parents because of thier testimony of jesus and many of the patents willbe deliverd to death by thier children for thiet testimony of jesus.

Matthew 10:21 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rise against their parents and have them put to death.
Matthew 10:22 You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Luke 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you will be put to death.
Luke 21:17 And you will be hated by everyone because of My name.

But asJesus said.This takes place in Israel.He doesnt say it takes place anywhere else.

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

keras · Oct 14, 2018

Hank77 said:
Malachi prophecy fulfilled per Jesus.

The preterists response.
You omitted this: Matthew 11:14 John is the destined Elijah, IF you will but accept him.
The Jews didn't accept John, so he wasn't the final Elijah.

shilohsfoal said:
But asJesus said.This takes place in Israel.He doesnt say it takes place anywhere else.

The 'for the Jews only' response.
Where does Jesus say that?
His teachings are for us today, as much as they were for the people then.

Both responses are made from the denial of forthcoming events that may cause difficulty and hardship. Tough!

Hank77 · Oct 14, 2018

keras said:
The preterists response.

I'm not a preterist, if you are basing your assumption on this. Unless you consider Clarke, Gill, and many others to be preterists

keras said:
You omitted this: Matthew 11:14 John is the destined Elijah, IF you will but accept him.
The Jews didn't accept John, so he wasn't the final Elijah.

Which commentators share your view of this scripture?

keras · Oct 14, 2018

Hank77 said:
Which commentators share your view of this scripture?

I threw my Commentaries into the bin years ago. None of them have the truth of end time prophesies, proved by Daniel 12:....only a few will understand. And by Matthew 11:25
Why need Commentators? The scripture is plain; IF the Jews accepted John the Baptist, THEN, he would have been the Elijah to come. They didn't, so he wasn't.

It is only now, as we are so close to the time when the Lord will act in His Creation once again, that the veil is being lifted for those few to understand God's plans for our future.
I do not claim any special insights, but I do read the Prophetic Word with an open mind and it all makes sense to me, in a coherent narrative.

Hank77 · Oct 14, 2018

keras said:
I threw my Commentaries into the bin years ago. None of them have the truth of end time prophesies, proved by Daniel 12:....only a few will understand. And by Matthew 11:25
Why need Commentators? The scripture is plain; IF the Jews accepted John the Baptist, THEN, he would have been the Elijah to come. They didn't, so he wasn't.

It is only now, as we are so close to the time when the Lord will act in His Creation once again, that the veil is being lifted for those few to understand God's plans for our future.
I do not claim any special insights, but I do read the Prophetic Word with an open mind and it all makes sense to me, in a coherent narrative.

Matt. 11:14 not 11:25

Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Many did receive it, in fact thousands of Jews received it. If they hadn't Jesus wouldn't have been declared the Messiah and we wouldn't be Christians today.

shilohsfoal · Oct 14, 2018

keras said:
The preterists response.
You omitted this: Matthew 11:14 John is the destined Elijah, IF you will but accept him.
The Jews didn't accept John, so he wasn't the final Elijah.

The 'for the Jews only' response.
Where does Jesus say that?
His teachings are for us today, as much as they were for the people then.

Both responses are made from the denial of forthcoming events that may cause difficulty and hardship. Tough!

Matthew 10:5 KJV: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

If you will have kept what i said in the context of the chapter it was taken you would have found Jesus hhimself said "go not the way of the gentiles" and that they will not have gone over all the cities of Israel till he comes.

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

You need to pay closer attention to detail.These are the words of our Lord afterall.

BABerean2 · Oct 14, 2018

keras said:
The scripture is plain; IF the Jews accepted John the Baptist, THEN, he would have been the Elijah to come. They didn't, so he wasn't.

By that same logic Jesus was not really the Messiah...

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keras · Oct 14, 2018

BABerean2 said:
By that same logic Jesus was not really the Messiah...

Interesting.
Are you going to renounce Christianity then?

shilohsfoal said:
Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

You need to pay closer attention to detail.These are the words of our Lord afterall.

As the House of Israel was scattered abroad then, John 7:35, and is still today, then Jesus was right there will be towns with Israelites in them, having not had the Gospel preached to them.
You also avoid the truth of how the Jews, in the Land and abroad, rejected the Gospel, so the Apostles went to the Gentiles. Acts 13:47

Hank77 said:
Many did receive it, in fact thousands of Jews received it.

Where does the Bible say that 'thousands' followed John the Baptist?
He had a few disciples, that's it.
Isn't it plain that we await Elijah, or he is here working spiritually now?

shilohsfoal · Oct 15, 2018

keras said:
Interesting.
Are you going to renounce Christianity then?

As the House of Israel was scattered abroad then, John 7:35, and is still today, then Jesus was right there will be towns with Israelites in them, having not had the Gospel preached to them.
You also avoid the truth of how the Jews, in the Land and abroad, rejected the Gospel, so the Apostles went to the Gentiles. Acts 13:47

Where does the Bible say that 'thousands' followed John the Baptist?
He had a few disciples, that's it.
Isn't it plain that we await Elijah, or he is here working spiritually now?

Try to keep the passages in context.
When you take jesus words out of context like you do ,you cant understand them,properly.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

BABerean2 · Oct 15, 2018

keras said:
Interesting.
Are you going to renounce Christianity then?

No. Because I do not use the same logic.

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Hank77 · Oct 15, 2018

keras said:
Where does the Bible say that 'thousands' followed John the Baptist?

I didn't say that thousands followed John the Baptist. I said that thousands 'received/accepted his message'.

YLT
Mat 3:5 Then were going forth unto him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about the Jordan,
Mat 3:6 and they were baptized in the Jordan by him, confessing their sins.

Joh 3:23 and John was also baptizing in Aenon, nigh to Salem, because there were many waters there, and they were coming and were being baptized--

Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitudes coming forth to be baptised by him, `Brood of vipers! who did prompt you to flee from the coming wrath? note:speaking to the Pharisees

Luk 3:10 And the multitudes were questioning him, saying, `What, then, shall we do?'

Luk 3:12 And there came also tax-gatherers to be baptised, and they said unto him, `Teacher, what shall we do?'

Jesus' words....
Mat 11:12 `And, from the days of John the Baptist till now, the reign of the heavens doth suffer violence, and violent men do take it by force,
Mat 11:13 for all the prophets and the law till John did prophesy,
Mat 11:14 and if ye are willing to receive it , he is Elijah who was about to come;
Mat 11:15 he who is having ears to hear--let him hear.

keras · Oct 15, 2018

Hank77 said:
I didn't say that thousands followed John the Baptist. I said that thousands 'received/accepted his message'.

Thousands were baptized by John, but for repentance; as they awaited the One who would baptize them with the holy Spirit. Matthew 3:11
John's ministry was mainly to baptize Jesus and prepare the way for Him. John did not do what Malachi prophesied the future Elijah would do.

BABerean2 · Oct 17, 2018

keras said:
John did not do what Malachi prophesied the future Elijah would do.

Mal_3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Luk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
Luk 1:12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Luk 1:18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
Luk 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luk 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
( I would not argue with the angel Gabriel, if you want to keep your ability to speak.)
Luk 1:21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.
Luk 1:22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.
Luk 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
Luk 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luk 1:25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luk 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Luk 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
Luk 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Luk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Luk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luk 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

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Lost4words · Oct 17, 2018

Disagree with the OP once again. Its all pure conjecture and fantasy. Interpreting scripture to suit your own 'personal' beliefs.

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