Who were these other people in Genesis?

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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?
 
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Where did gentiles come from? There are 2 groups. Jews and Gentiles.
Not if you’re a Christian there isn’t! The ground is level at the foot of the cross—there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:28).

I don’t know exactly when in the Old Testament the first Gentiles came to be. Certified Old Testament Historians, anyone? :)
 
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Wasn't the question "who were the other people who might have killed Cain?"

From Genesis 4: Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." But the LORD said to him, "Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

So both Cain and God agree that there are other people who might kill Cain.
Buy wait...
The only people alive at that time are Adam, Eve and Cain. Would his own parents kill him? He had no siblings. Who are these other people?
I know about much speculation and I won't suggest any more, but I will say that we all need to dig into this. It may lead you to a surprising discovery.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?

Many Bible students see (2) separate creaction accounts in Genesis.

In chapter 1 you have the account of a GENERAL CREATION (i.e. the heavens, earth, light, sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, etc.). There is also a general creation of mankind in chapter 1, male and female.

Genesis 1

26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

In chapter 2 you see a SPECIFIC CREATION of the Garden of Eden where he placed a specific human Adam.

Genesis 2

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

So the "other people" you refer to could have been those people creatd by God in the GENERAL CREATION ... apart from Adam/Eve in the Garden of Eden.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.
Adam and Eve had other children, and one of their offspring would have been out for his blood, whether it be in a few days or decades later.

So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?
Sorry, but Adam and Eve were NOT Jews, the Jews came about with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Jacob having 12 sons which became the twelve tribes.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?

How does the bible start?

Do you believe it?

If you don't, please give the biblical reason why you don't believe that 'In the begining God created the heavens and the earth. and why you don't, biblicaly, believe the rest of genesis 1.

If Genesis is true, then what you've suggested is a lie.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?

Jew defined:

a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

Genesis 17

17 When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am El Shaddai. Walk with me and be trustworthy. 2 I will make a covenant between us and I will give you many, many descendants.” 3 Abram fell on his face, and God said to him, 4 “But me, my covenant is with you; you will be the ancestor of many nations. 5 And because I have made you the ancestor of many nations, your name will no longer be Abram but Abraham.

From there came the 12 tribes of Judah (ie Judaism)

That's my understanding anyway.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?
Adam and Eve were the first humans. By the time of Cain and Abel, there are a lot of other people from children of Cain and Abel. Remember, they lived a really long time so there was a really long time available for there to be lots of other people.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve.
Yep. Genesis 2:21-25.

They had Cain and Abel,
Yep. Genesis 4:1-2.

but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him.
Yep.

Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.
Nope.

Who were the other people? Adam's and Eve's other children:

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

There were no other human beings around other than the children of Adam, for the scripture says, that Adam is the "first" man, and even the Hebrew (OT; Genesis) speaks in the definite article "the man" or "the Adam":

1Co_15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

There can be no other human beings around, at that time, for notice God's actions and questions to Adam in regards a wife, an "helpmeet":

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Why was an "helpmeet" needed to be created from Adam's rib, if there were other people already around? Why create more animals in front of Adam in the garden, and bring them before Adam?

The woman, "Eve" is even called the "mother of all living":

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Not some living, but "all" living. The scriptures further confirm this by saying:

Act_17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

If not, then what you have is "racism" among humans. Differing "races", but the scripture says there is onlya single race of mankind, stemming from Adam, see the geneaologies in scripture.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well.
Not so. Most of the ancient chronologies are based upon the faulty (and greatly expanded) Egyptian, which has been shrinking in 'time' ever since it was first postulated, the further the archeology has uncovered.

Egyptians (then), came from the descendants of Noah, the children of "Ham".

Gen_10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

1Ch_1:8 The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Mizraim are the Egyptians (then, today they are basically of an Arab (through Arabian conquest, and a mix) descent).

Psa_78:51 And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:
Psa_105:23 Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
Psa_105:27 They shewed his signs among them, and wonders in the land of Ham.
Psa_106:22 Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea.

At the Tower of Babel, the "nations" (Gentiles) were split, for before the whole world was of "one language":

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?
Neither Adam, nor Eve were "Jews", of the lineage of "Judah", a son of Jacob/Israel, a son of Isaac, a son of Abraham ... a son of Noah ... a son of Adam.

Even Abraham was not a "Jew", but "Hebrew" of the lineage of "Eber":

Gen_14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Gen_10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

There were no other lineages of humanity, other than the progeny of Adam, Eve. Even the Flood of Noah is a delineation marker, all mankind today are related to Noah, related to Adam.

The word "gentiles" just means "nations", and so see Genesis 11.

Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

That is the first time it is used in all of scripture.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?
Yes, but not Jews. Jews were called Jews because they were those who returned from the Bablylonian captivity which involve the captivity of the Southern Kingdom of Judah.

If you go through the lifespans mentioned in Genesis, Adam lived about 4000 BC. Plenty of scientific evidence of others being around then.
 
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Cain was banished from the face of the earth in Genesis 4:14. If he left the face of the earth then he traveled into space or went below ground. Notice also it said his face would be hid from God. The sons of men lived in the nether parts of the earth in Eden (Ezekiel 31:14). That would be below ground.
Notice also that the "people of earth" in Eden (Ezekiel 31:12) are different from the sons of men in Ezekiel 31:14. Cain was afraid of the sons of men.
 
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The sons of men lived in the nether parts of the earth in Eden (Ezekiel 31:14).


That verse says they were dead not living or alive.

Eze 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.
 
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That verse says they were dead not living or alive.

Eze 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.
Its saying the children of men are noy dead but the trees that are fallen are.
 
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Its saying the children of men are dead but the trees that are fallen.


You said the men were alive and living under ground and cited that verse but in fact you were wrong, the verse does not support the men spoken of were alive living under ground.
 
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God created Adam, then with Adam's rib he created Eve. They had Cain and Abel, but when Cain killed Abel and went to wander the Earth he was fearful of people killing him. So what I'm seeing here Adam and Eve were the first from the messianic line, the rest were gentiles.

From studying other ancient religion there were Zoroastrians, Egyptians, and Hindu around the Earth as well. So Adam and Eve were the first Jews but not necessarily the first humans in a sense?


and Eve were the onky people god crested--Eve the only woman--Gen_3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Cain and Able were the first males that were born. Females in the bible were not mentioned unless they were of importance to the story line. Genealogy was from eldest male to eldest male, females weren't included in the genealogy. Adam and Eve were perfectly healthy. Even today a woman in about 40-45 years can have over 20 children. Adam and Eve started spitting them out right away--she could have had many female children before Cain and Abel, and more after them. There is no record of the age of Cain and Abel at the time of the murder. They were offering to God which is generally the role of the patriarch of a family, so they may have had many children by then. Cain could have had females as only the males are mentioned starting with Enoch. Abel could have had many of both, none of which would have been named. Cain and Abel would have married their sisters. There was no sin in that back then, there was no genetic defects to pass on. It doesn't say that Cain married after this, it says that Cain knew his wife, so he was probably already married. The rule of inheritance was 1st born male to 1st born male---Cain was first born, With Abel's murder and Cain's expulsion, next in line from Adam would be Seth. Because of the wording, there are those that feel that Cain and Abel were twins. Reason being that generally, when the bible says someone knew his wife, it is followed by "and she conceived and bore...."With Eve, it says right after Cain---"and she again bare his brother Abel." Possibility.
By the time of Cain's expulsion from the family clan---there could have been many, many children from Abel's children which would also have had children of their own. These were perfectly healthy people living hundreds of years---if a woman today can give birth to over 20---one woman back then could pop out a whole city--not to mention multiple births. By the time Adam and Eve died--they would have been chin deep in progeny.

There were no Jews until after Abraham-He is considered the father of the Jews--the first would have been Isaac. And actually, the Jews are said to descended from the 12 sons of Jacob, which was the son of Isacc.
 
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and Eve were the onky people god crested--Eve the only woman--Gen_3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


Who was she the mother of?
 
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All humans after her!


Yeah except she was the mother of all living before she had any children unless the bible doesn't mention some of her children by name. I always thought Adam named her after Cain but I guess not.
 
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