Brett Kavanaugh's faith

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At "best" such an accusation is of the form

"The judge was just fine - until grilled and under pressure made to make an inaccurate statement... had we not grilled him under such pressure there would have been no problem with the selection".

Taking an otherwise innocent person and grilling them to the point that they make an error -- then circling back to claim you finally have something on them - is transparently devious. Which is "the best" that you are arguing for.



sounds like more creative writing and not even remotely part of the bar exam. Why not stick with real life?
I'm gonna assume that you screwed up your "
" And your repeat was your other post wasn't to your lack of creative writing. Lol
I stick with facts. You should try it.
 
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Let's say that he "implied" that he was 18 when the drinking occurred and drinking legally when he was actually 17 and even 18 yr olds could not drink legally until July 1, 1982 in Maryland. He said "Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal." Now a legal person may have bought the beer but he still could not drink legally at that time.
He implied no such thing ... he said he drank beer in 1982 when he was 17.

The argument put forward by some that Kavanaugh was so drunk he does not remember trying to rape a woman is despicable.

When I was dating my Catholic wife we mingled with many young people in the Church - and the ones I still know have demonstrated a strong commitment to their faith right throughout their life. This is evident in Kavanaugh's life.
 
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He implied no such thing ... he said he drank beer in 1982 when he was 17.
Maybe you can supply that quote. He did say that he drank beer and Seniors could buy beer, which 18 yr olds could but he was 17 and drinking illegally in 1982. By the time he was a senior the age changed to 21 so he still couldn't drink legally.
The argument put forward by some that Kavanaugh was so drunk he does not remember trying to rape a woman is despicable.
In whose world? It occurs and if you had the experience in psychology that you imply at times, you would know that it occurs.
When I was dating my Catholic wife we mingled with many young people in the Church - and the ones I still know have demonstrated a strong commitment to their faith right throughout their life. This is evident in Kavanaugh's life.
There is nothing in anything that he said that sets him apart from the average Catholic, Protestant, or other Christian Church. That is evident in his yearbook.
 
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Maybe you can supply that quote. He did say that he drank beer and Seniors could buy beer, which 18 yr olds could but he was 17 and drinking illegally in 1982. By the time he was a senior the age changed to 21 so he still couldn't drink legally.

In whose world? It occurs and if you had the experience in psychology that you imply at times, you would know that it occurs.

There is nothing in anything that he said that sets him apart from the average Catholic, Protestant, or other Christian Church. That is evident in his yearbook.
The 1982 calendar that Kavanaugh submitted to the SJC for scrutiny contained a reference to going to a friends place to drink beer when he was 17.
I don't know what world you live in but I don't know anyone who got so drunk that he forgot he attempted to rape a girl.
Kavanaugh's faith was an important and consistent part of his life when he was a teenager and attested to by church friends. Drinking beer and coarse jesting are not unusual even for religious youth. Why there is a persistent attempt to impugn Kavanaugh's character by some Christians is beyond me.
 
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The 1982 calendar that Kavanaugh submitted to the SJC for scrutiny contained a reference to going to a friends place to drink beer when he was 17.
That is not him stating that he was 17, as you claim. His testimony implied that they were drinking legally when he wasn't.
I don't know what world you live in but I don't know anyone who got so drunk that he forgot he attempted to rape a girl.
You didn't get around much then. Of course, Ford testified that she "thought" he was going to rape her. That doesn't mean that there was an actual attempt.

Kavanaugh's faith was an important and consistent part of his life when he was a teenager and attested to by church friends.
His own words and what his friends testified to showed he wasn't that religious. He most likely spent a lot of time in the confessional.
Drinking beer and coarse jesting are not unusual even for religious youth. Why there is a persistent attempt to impugn Kavanaugh's character by some Christians is beyond me.
Well, there are many that didn't feel he was worthy of sitting on the highest court in the US. I don't think that he is but not because of the allegations. I am in agreement with the National Council of Churches and ex Justice Stevens.
 
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That is not him stating that he was 17, as you claim. His testimony implied that they were drinking legally when he wasn't.

You didn't get around much then. Of course, Ford testified that she "thought" he was going to rape her. That doesn't mean that there was an actual attempt.


His own words and what his friends testified to showed he wasn't that religious. He most likely spent a lot of time in the confessional.

Well, there are many that didn't feel he was worthy of sitting on the highest court in the US. I don't think that he is but not because of the allegations. I am in agreement with the National Council of Churches and ex Justice Stevens.
What stronger evidence there could be than what Kavanaugh wrote on his 1982 calendar, I do not know. The attempt to twist what he said in the Fox interview is ignoring the whole context of the interview which was the summer of 1982 when he was 17, and this was mentioned several times.

I socialized with intelligent, religious youth who attended parties where there was drinking, and sometimes excessive drinking. I see nothing in Kavanaugh's history that indicates he was guilty of what is charged by those intent on harming his reputation for partisan reasons. My respect for those who try to destroy a man's character & career, and damage his family, without any evidence, has evaporated, so I will not prolong this exchange any further.
 
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People still argue about this like he's not already confirmed. Isn't there some other outrage we can discuss? I hear some people are offended by Melania's hat. ;)
I take your point, though there are many who argue that attitudes towards Brett Kavanaugh could determine the midterm election. That is why there are attempts to foster hostility towards his appointment by spreading salacious insinuations.
 
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I did drink a bit when I was 19, and sort of had a necking relationship with a woman then.

At 23, I was involved in a physical relationship with a woman, and again with another at 26.

I am up for a promotion to lieutenant at my police department. Both the women are happily married and have their own lives.

I have taken a page from Brett Kavanaugh's book. I have sworn letters from all three ladies stating I never acted in any way untowardly to them.

I knew Emmy (my wife) understood the truth long before we were married. Her response was, "Ok I understand. At least one of us will know what we're doing."
 
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What stronger evidence there could be than what Kavanaugh wrote on his 1982 calendar, I do not know.
Exactly. He wrote about a beer party or parties during 1982 with the four boys that Ford said were at the small gathering, of which she dated one. Kavanaugh was 17 but he didn't testify to being 17, he said "The drinking age as I noted was 18, so the seniors were legal. Senior year in high school, people were legal to drink.”
The attempt to twist what he said in the Fox interview is ignoring the whole context of the interview which was the summer of 1982 when he was 17, and this was mentioned several times.
I'm not twisting anything, I am talking about testimony. Kavanaugh testified as the quote I gave you says about his drinking in high school. He didn't admit to drinking Illegally in his testimony, though the calendar that he introduced later showed he did during 1982.
I see nothing in Kavanaugh's history that indicates he was guilty of what is charged by those intent on harming his reputation for partisan reasons.
I haven't implied that he was guilty or that there was enough proof.
My respect for those who try to destroy a man's character & career, and damage his family, without any evidence, has evaporated, so I will not prolong this exchange any further.
My respect for Kavanaugh evaporated, with full evidence, when he went on his right wing rant. In full view of the world he disqualified himself to sit on the High Court. What he said wasn't what a good Catholic man would say but it was what a right wing conspiracy nut would say.

So long.
 
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I did drink a bit when I was 19, and sort of had a necking relationship with a woman then.

At 23, I was involved in a physical relationship with a woman, and again with another at 26.

I am up for a promotion to lieutenant at my police department. Both the women are happily married and have their own lives.

I have taken a page from Brett Kavanaugh's book. I have sworn letters from all three ladies stating I never acted in any way untowardly to them.

I knew Emmy (my wife) understood the truth long before we were married. Her response was, "Ok I understand. At least one of us will know what we're doing."
wise words

It seems some are prepared to believe Kavanaugh was guilty of sexual assault because in their world those things happened.
I can identify with Kavanaugh's years as a teenager & young man - although we misbehaved, drank too much and used vulgarity, our Christian faith kept us from evil acts such as sexual assault.
 
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Just remember that's a 2 way street.
...and if I make a claim about him I could see your point. But you're the one who seems to have the idea they know him well enough to make claims about him, not me. So again:
...so you've sat down with the Judge on several occasions over many years and know him well enough to be able to support the OP? :scratch:
tulc(is curious how often you've met with him and for how long) :wave:
 
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