Israeli Army Admits to Arming Syria Rebels, Then Censors Story

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I have opined in earlier threads regard in the theory that ISIS is being covertly supported by Israel. I had stated that while there was no direct evidence to support it, it would explain a lot if it were true. Well, now there's evidence:

Israeli Army Admits to Arming Syria Rebels, Then Censors Story

Isis and the Syrian rebels are two different groups. The uprising against Al-Assad happened within Syria, and spread through the organisation of local militias. Much later, ISIS saw an opportunity to gain some further ground in the region and got involved. While they were fighting against govt forces much of the time they weren’t supporting the revolt for the sake of the Syrian fighters, just pursuing their own aims. As far as this went there was some temporary aligning of both group’s aims but it’s important not to confuse the two.

There’s nothing unusual about Israeli backing of the Syrian rebels btw. Western powers have been trying to manipulate the whole region through support of one group or leader or another over others for decades, well over a century.
 
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Even if the PDF backup is genuine, Fursan al-Joulan is not ISIS.

True, but it establishes that Israel is a source of the arms being used in the Syrian Civil War, and if they're arming one rebel faction, they could be arming another - like ISIS. Sure, the evidence is circumstantial, but there is evidence now, which is the point of the thread. Given the nature conflict, it is probable that some of those arms ultimately ended up in ISIS hands.

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There’s nothing unusual about Israeli backing of the Syrian rebels btw.

The CIA did, until the Trump administration put a stop to it last year.
 
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True, but it establishes that Israel is a source of the arms being used in the Syrian Civil War, and if they're arming one rebel faction, they could be arming another - like ISIS.
Sure, and they could be planning to infiltrate fast-food outlets in the US in order to discover the Colonel's secret recipe. There are lot's of things they could be doing. You need a great deal more evidence before that claim look even marginally plausible, let alone probable.

Sure, the evidence is circumstantial, but there is evidence now, which is the point of the thread. Given the nature conflict, it is probable that some of those arms ultimately ended up in ISIS hands.
And since some of those arms almost certainly originated in the US then, by your logic, that is circumstantial evidence that the US is also arming ISIS.
 
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Sure, and they could be planning to infiltrate fast-food outlets in the US in order to discover the Colonel's secret recipe. There are lot's of things they could be doing. You need a great deal more evidence before that claim look even marginally plausible, let alone probable.

Israel has means and motive, which makes it plausible even without direct evidence. It would also explain why Israel has not intervened against ISIS, nor has ISIS ever attacked Israel. Israel is not acting any differently than it would if it were secretly supporting ISIS, and ISIS is not acting any differently than it would if it were a Mossad front. Now we know that they are arming groups that work to undermine they Syrian government. The question then is, why wouldn't they be giving arms to ISIS for the same purpose?
 
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I have opined in earlier threads regard in the theory that ISIS is being covertly supported by Israel. I had stated that while there was no direct evidence to support it, it would explain a lot if it were true. Well, now there's evidence:

Israeli Army Admits to Arming Syria Rebels, Then Censors Story

The official Israeli stance on Syria is that all the rebels and the Syrian government are different shades of trouble for Israel but it maintains a posture of overall neutrality. That said it has a clear strategic interest in denying Iran a forward base against Israel in Syria under the protection of the Assad regime. So most Israeli strikes inside a country that it is technically still at war with have been with that in mind. It would be better if Assad and Iran did not emerge as clear victors in this conflict but Israel has no interest in blessing Daesh either. At the same time extensive humanitarian aid has been given by Israel to more than 200000 Syrian civilians. That some of these may have included injured members of the Free Syrian army is speculated and would fit the interest of Israel in support of a more moderate but less Islamist force toppling the Assad regime without opening up Syria to the prospect of a later Islamist victory. More likely than not Assad will come out on top of this conflict and Israel will find itself directly opposed to Assad and Iran/Hezbollah as has been its default position for most of the last decades. Syrian weakness and division is meanwhile a blessing to Israel in that the country is no longer a direct military threat.

Personally I regard Assad as better for the preservation of the church but have no desire that he be in the same position of strength he was before the civil war because of the threat he poses to Israel. The Iranian connection is probably a weakening factor in the long run for this regime as the majority of his population are Sunnis. The Israelis appear to trust Saudi or Turkish influence over Iranian influence in Syria but these are not so clearly better in any objective sense for the preservation of the church or indeed for the stability and well being of the region. So while I understand Israeli opposition to Iran it is not necessarily to their strategic advantage to rid the country of them. Syria will be weaker if Iran remains. Of course that does not rule out Israel managing direct threats to its security on a case by case basis.

Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia
 
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The official Israeli stance on Syria is that all the rebels and the Syrian government are different shades of trouble for Israel but it maintains a posture of overall neutrality. That said it has a clear strategic interest in denying Iran a forward base against Israel in Syria under the protection of the Assad regime. So most Israeli strikes inside a country that it is technically still at war with have been with that in mind. It would be better if Assad and Iran did not emerge as clear victors in this conflict but Israel has no interest in blessing Daesh either. At the same time extensive humanitarian aid has been given by Israel to more than 200000 Syrian civilians. That some of these may have included injured members of the Free Syrian army is speculated and would fit the interest of Israel in support of a more moderate but less Islamist force toppling the Assad regime without opening up Syria to the prospect of a later Islamist victory. More likely than not Assad will come out on top of this conflict and Israel will find itself directly opposed to Assad and Iran/Hezbollah as has been its default position for most of the last decades. Syrian weakness and division is meanwhile a blessing to Israel in that the country is no longer a direct military threat.

Personally I regard Assad as better for the preservation of the church but have no desire that he be in the same position of strength he was before the civil war because of the threat he poses to Israel. The Iranian connection is probably a weakening factor in the long run for this regime as the majority of his population are Sunnis. The Israelis appear to trust Saudi or Turkish influence over Iranian influence in Syria but these are not so clearly better in any objective sense for the preservation of the church or indeed for the stability and well being of the region. So while I understand Israeli opposition to Iran it is not necessarily to their strategic advantage to rid the country of them. Syria will be weaker if Iran remains. Of course that does not rule out Israel managing direct threats to its security on a case by case basis.

Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia

you think assad is actually a threat to israel? it's israel who got the US to intervene in syria (outlined by the 1996 paper "a clean break"). the syrian regime is secular, there's a reason the ethnic and religious minorities support assad. meanwhile israel bombed syria numerous times and also treats al nusra fighters.

US, israel, and saudi arabia are the real threat in the middle east with their warmonger and militarism. syria is mostly harmless, it's a geographically sensitive region and one of russia's only allies.

russia defeated ISIS. that's why the neocons in the US media keep fearmongering about putin.
 
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