After pro-family campaign, GA library drops drag queen storytime for kids

brinny · Oct 11, 2018

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
I don't see how reading about real issues would be scary. And is you don't want kids to be scared. Then we better slip allowing them to read the bible. Or learn about the world.

Did you read my posts and what i was responding to here in this post?

What has what you just posted got to do with my post that you just quoted?

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
I agree, no one should scare little children, so ban mentioning of hell to anyone under teens, far more traumatic and damaging then anything the majority of LGBTQ do, including the real event mentioned here.

You identify as Christian. How can one preach the Gospel and not mention the wages of sin is death?

Or omit the following Watchman on the Wall discourse YHWH gave through the prophet Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 33: NASB

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◄ Ezekiel 33 ►
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The Watchman’s Duty

1And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2“Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, 3and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, 4then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 5‘He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 6‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’
7“Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you will hear a message from My mouth and give them warning from Me. 8“When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand. 9“But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life.

10“Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’ 11“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’ 12“And you, son of man, say to your fellow citizens, ‘The righteousness of a righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression, and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he will not stumble because of it in the day when he turns from his wickedness; whereas a righteous man will not be able to live by his righteousness on the day when he commits sin.’ 13“When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die. 14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.

17“Yet your fellow citizens say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right,’ when it is their own way that is not right. 18“When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, then he shall die in it. 19“But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and practices justice and righteousness, he will live by them. 20“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways.”

I think the proposed moral equivalency you mention of equating drag queen public library awareness day with warning people of God's ultimate judgment is not valid.

loveofourlord · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
You identify as Christian. How can one preach the Gospel and not mention the wages of sin is death?

Or omit the following Watchman on the Wall discourse YHWH gave through the prophet Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 33: NASB

NASB77 • NASB95 • Strong's
◄ Ezekiel 33 ►
New American Standard Bible Par ▾
The Watchman’s Duty

1And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2“Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, 3and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, 4then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 5‘He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 6‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’
7“Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you will hear a message from My mouth and give them warning from Me. 8“When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand. 9“But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life.

10“Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’ 11“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’ 12“And you, son of man, say to your fellow citizens, ‘The righteousness of a righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression, and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he will not stumble because of it in the day when he turns from his wickedness; whereas a righteous man will not be able to live by his righteousness on the day when he commits sin.’ 13“When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die. 14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.

17“Yet your fellow citizens say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right,’ when it is their own way that is not right. 18“When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, then he shall die in it. 19“But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and practices justice and righteousness, he will live by them. 20“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways.”

I think the proposed moral equivalency you mention of equating drag queen public library awareness day with warning people of God's ultimate judgment is not valid.

The point is so many christians freak out about kids learning about [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] GAYS EXIST, and are so afraid of traumatizing kids, where as hell has long lasting tramuatizing effects especially when told at a early age. Kids should learn about reality and what is out there and not cuddle them from it.

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
Kids should learn about reality and what is out there and not cuddle them from it.

Should we expose children to inappropriate contentography, violent images and dangerous weapons so they learn more about reality?

I think my point is there are some realities which are adult content in nature. Meaning, children cannot process fully and it is why we don't expose them to sexual content and violence. Such is not cuddling or being a helicopter parent. Such is actually protecting the innocence of our children who later will grow into their own both mentally, spiritually and physically.

As Christians can we teach the Royal Law without exposing out children to adult content? Yes we can.

As Christians can we teach our children about God's Holiness and as such why He Judges and that due to this separation of mankind from their Creator, He provided us with His Greatest Love in Christ to save us? Sure we can and have been doing it for centuries.

People fear final Judgment in general because the Light has come into the world and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. (John 3:19)

loveofourlord · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
Should we expose children to inappropriate contentography, violent images and dangerous weapons so they learn more about reality?

I think my point is there are some realities which are adult content in nature. Meaning, children cannot process fully and it is why we don't expose them to sexual content and violence. Such is not cuddling or being a helicopter parent. Such is actually protecting the innocence of our children who later will grow into their own both mentally, spiritually and physically.

As Christians can we teach the Royal Law without exposing out children to adult content? Yes we can.

As Christians can we teach our children about God's Holiness and as such why He Judges and that due to this separation of mankind from their Creator, He provided us with His Greatest Love in Christ to save us? Sure we can and have been doing it for centuries.

People fear final Judgment in general because the Light has come into the world and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. (John 3:19)

My point is many consider "adult" content is perfectly fine in other context, straight couple heavy kissing, fine, gay couple light kissing, "SEXUALLY EXPLICIT!." whats good for the goose, is good for the gander., Like with this cross deresser thing, looks more like a guy dressing up as a woman to play the part of a story teller. Where is the adult content in there other then the complaining about kids learning about different things. The prudeness and overeactions of the religious right taints the rest of Christianity by making us look bad.

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
The point is so many christians freak out about kids learning about [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] GAYS EXIST

I don't think profanity makes for a good argument. However, I understand it can get a bit hot in these threads from time to time.

But anger at your fellow Christians is condemned by Christ in Matthew 5:21-26

So I can't enumerate your "many Christians" as I quote you above. Is this not the same type of stereotyping, against Christians, you accuse Christians of grouping gays?

The friction with homosexuals and Christ is sin. Just as everyone of us our friction with Christ is sin.

There are repentant sinners and then there are unrepentant sinners. Unrepentant sinners will continue to have friction with Christ and His church. Repentant sinners are putting themselves under the authority and Lordship of Christ.

Now why is there so much friction in our society between those who put themselves under the authority and Lordship of Christ and the majority of LGBTQ issues? The answer is the majority of LGBTQ issues and programs stem from a sinful and unrepentant worldly philosophy. The same was the case in the New Testament church with Greco-Roman pagan society.

The Apostle tells us in Romans 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

We do well as Christians to follow the teaching here from the Apostle Paul.

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
My point is many consider "adult" content is perfectly fine in other context, straight couple heavy kissing, fine, gay couple light kissing, "SEXUALLY EXPLICIT!." whats good for the goose, is good for the gander., Like with this cross deresser thing, looks more like a guy dressing up as a woman to play the part of a story teller. Where is the adult content in there other then the complaining about kids learning about different things. The prudeness and overeactions of the religious right taints the rest of Christianity by making us look bad.

The library sessions are advertised as LGBTQ awareness with drag queens reading to the children. I know what it may look like to you and others, but there is no hidden agenda here. It is actually publically stated.

ThatRobGuy · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
The message of treating others with respect is welcomed in all quarters. Having drag queens read to children exposes them to sexualized content (in person) at a very innocent age. This is usually a sexual fetish.

It is not like the librarian or parent is transgender and reading to the kids. Kids in most schools have teachers who have transitioned or are transitioning and both parents and schools go to great lengths to explain these things in terms kids understand with professional assistance. Drag queens are not transitioning. They are men who dress like women and in many cases is a sexual fetish. This is inappropriate exposure for children.

If some folks happen to view things as a sexual fetish, doesn't mean that nobody else can do that because "that sexualizes it for everyone"?

Yes, I'm you can find people who have a fetish for that sort of thing and a sexual attraction to either cross dressers/drag queens/trans/etc...

...but just because some people have "fetishized" it, that doesn't mean it's universally applicable.

There are people who have a "Big Women" fetish...there are subsections dedicated to it on almost every adult site, and there are men who are very aroused by it.

If there were a reading at the library, from a fat woman, who was spreading the message of "Just because someone is big, that doesn't mean it's okay to make fun of them, and you should still be empathetic to them, and their situation, because we're still humans just like you"

Would you guys be referring to it as some sort of provocative "agenda" or "throwing sexualized content in kids' faces", etc...? Or is it simply another case of people choosing to disproportionately over-demonize the particular "sins" that they, themselves find it easy to abstain from, while being blasé about many of the others...

loveofourlord · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
I don't think profanity makes for a good argument. However, I understand it can get a bit hot in these threads from time to time.

But anger at your fellow Christians is condemned by Christ in Matthew 5:21-26

So I can't enumerate your "many Christians" as I quote you above. Is this not the same type of stereotyping, against Christians, you accuse Christians of grouping gays?

The friction with homosexuals and Christ is sin. Just as everyone of us our friction with Christ is sin.

There are repentant sinners and then there are unrepentant sinners. Unrepentant sinners will continue to have friction with Christ and His church. Repentant sinners are putting themselves under the authority and Lordship of Christ.

Now why is there so much friction in our society between those who put themselves under the authority and Lordship of Christ and the majority of LGBTQ issues? The answer is the majority of LGBTQ issues and programs stem from a sinful and unrepentant worldly philosophy. The same was the case in the New Testament church with Greco-Roman pagan society.

The Apostle tells us in Romans 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

We do well as Christians to follow the teaching here from the Apostle Paul.

*laughs* weird profanity filter, I said oh my god gays exist :> the acronym was filtered, I wouldn't overtly swear here :> though there are maybe some words they might consider profanity that I wouldn't.

well the point sort of here is that not everyone shares the christian idea of whats sin or isn't or what shouold or shouldn't be public, many non Christians consider the idea of hell to be far worse then anything mentioned in this topic, should they be allowed to ban it because they don't like it, we live in a pluralistic society where everyone has to get along, we don't get to just shutout the stuff we want to pretend don't exist.

To me where I draw the line on whats adult, or sexually explicit and such is like with gays, is would anyone have a issue if it was a straight couple.

And to my earlier comment about many Christians, please don't fall into the trap of assuming, "Many = all." but it's very common to see topics like this, because gays are added to lists of groups protected, or anti bullying topics and such. Suddenly treating gays as humans because offensive, and a agenda, rather then lets treat everyone equally.

loveofourlord · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
The library sessions are advertised as LGBTQ awareness with drag queens reading to the children. I know what it may look like to you and others, but there is no hidden agenda here. It is actually publically stated.

and? A guy in a dress, as some transgender or such might do is some how offensive? What if it wasn't for some LGBTQ thing, and instead, a guy playing, "Granny's story time." just playing the part as a costume?

RestoreTheJoy · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
I agree, no one should scare little children, so ban mentioning of hell to anyone under teens, far more traumatic and damaging then anything the majority of LGBTQ do, including the real event mentioned here.

This would be terrifying. I can't believe anyone would take children to see something like this at all. But I'm not into terrifying kids.

From this story: Meanwhile, Pride.com, a pro-homosexual website, complimented the drag queen for being dressed as a “beautiful satanic goddess,” a description that didn’t make it into the Snopes story.

Be Ready for ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ at Your Local Library

SilverBear · Oct 11, 2018

redleghunter said:
Why would they be scared of drag queens? Where would children actually see drag queens, except the public library that is?

The message of treating others with respect is welcomed in all quarters. Having drag queens read to children exposes them to sexualized content (in person) at a very innocent age. This is usually a sexual fetish.

no it's not. I get that you want it to be but it isn't.

SilverBear · Oct 11, 2018

RestoreTheJoy said:
This would be terrifying. I can't believe anyone would take children to see something like this at all. But I'm not into terrifying kids.

From this story: Meanwhile, Pride.com, a pro-homosexual website, complimented the drag queen for being dressed as a “beautiful satanic goddess,” a description that didn’t make it into the Snopes story.

Be Ready for ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ at Your Local Library

if you are going to claim this then you should actually quote pride.com

brinny · Oct 11, 2018

RestoreTheJoy said:
This would be terrifying. I can't believe anyone would take children to see something like this at all. But I'm not into terrifying kids.

From this story: Meanwhile, Pride.com, a pro-homosexual website, complimented the drag queen for being dressed as a “beautiful satanic goddess,” a description that didn’t make it into the Snopes story.

Be Ready for ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ at Your Local Library

It's traumatizing.

It would give ME nightmares.

Why would ANYONE dress as a satanic demon to "read to children"?

It's sick, twisted, and sadistic.

loveofourlord · Oct 11, 2018

RestoreTheJoy said:
This would be terrifying. I can't believe anyone would take children to see something like this at all. But I'm not into terrifying kids.

From this story: Meanwhile, Pride.com, a pro-homosexual website, complimented the drag queen for being dressed as a “beautiful satanic goddess,” a description that didn’t make it into the Snopes story.

Be Ready for ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ at Your Local Library

You do realize thats not the actual picture related to the story from my understanding, pointing to that as the reality of the story is just disengenous. And I'm sure you will be happy to show the story on pride.com just looked there and saw nothing about the story teller, trans, or cross dresser going back to july.

RestoreTheJoy · Oct 11, 2018

SilverBear said:
if you are going to claim this then you should actually quote pride.com

How about quoting the guy who did it:

Xochi Mochi on Instagram: “I got to read to the children today and it was one of the best experiences I’ve been given as a drag queen. It’s so important to have…”

RestoreTheJoy · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
You do realize thats not the actual picture related to the story from my understanding, pointing to that as the reality of the story is just disengenous. And I'm sure you will be happy to show the story on pride.com just looked there and saw nothing about the story teller, trans, or cross dresser going back to july.

Xochi Mochi on Instagram: “I got to read to the children today and it was one of the best experiences I’ve been given as a drag queen. It’s so important to have…”

RestoreTheJoy · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
You do realize thats not the actual picture related to the story from my understanding, pointing to that as the reality of the story is just disengenous. And I'm sure you will be happy to show the story on pride.com just looked there and saw nothing about the story teller, trans, or cross dresser going back to july.

This Drag Queen Dressed as a Satanic Goddess to Read to Kids
"She was dressed as what can only be described as a beautiful satanic goddess."

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

SilverBear said:
no it's not. I get that you want it to be but it isn't.

I truly get you don't want it to be but it is true. We use the same public library. Who is right and who is wrong and whose will should be imposed?

redleghunter · Oct 11, 2018

loveofourlord said:
well the point sort of here is that not everyone shares the christian idea of whats sin or isn't or what shouold or shouldn't be public, many non Christians consider the idea of hell to be far worse then anything mentioned in this topic, should they be allowed to ban it because they don't like it, we live in a pluralistic society where everyone has to get along, we don't get to just shutout the stuff we want to pretend don't exist.

There is obviously controversy and differing views. Who is right and who is wrong? I agree we are to get along, but who really today in the US is setting what is right and what is wrong and what is acceptable in public?

loveofourlord said:
To me where I draw the line on whats adult, or sexually explicit and such is like with gays, is would anyone have a issue if it was a straight couple.

Neutrality is key to peace. We can only have peace if there is true respect on all sides. Do you think that in the US today there is such respect? I don't. And who draws those lines (defines) on what is or is not adult and sexually explicit? Is there some objective standard to go by? The one standard is worldly and relative and the other is godly and objective in nature. These are polar opposites. The apostle Paul advises us to seek peace where we can without compromising our ideals. Pretty tough stuff these days when there is hostility towards Christians for even preaching the Gospel.

loveofourlord said:
And to my earlier comment about many Christians, please don't fall into the trap of assuming, "Many = all." but it's very common to see topics like this, because gays are added to lists of groups protected, or anti bullying topics and such. Suddenly treating gays as humans because offensive, and a agenda, rather then lets treat everyone equally.

You have a good heart. Yes we are to live by the Royal Law and treat others as we want to be treated. In fact Jesus raised the bar by telling His followers to love one another as He loved them. No person, group etc should be bullied or have violence against them. I think there are other venues to teach this to children and drag queen awareness events is not one children should be subject to.

We are all made in the image and according to the likeness of God--Imago Dei (Genesis 1:26-27). Yet we are a fallen race humankind and tainted by sin and the wages of sin is death. Thanks be to God, in His Grace He provided a way to be reconciled to Him.

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