SDA

Original Happy Camper said:

Could you please elaborate a little more on this answer.

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The ten commandments were written by God, and though they do reflect God's character, they are in and of themselves not God. They are something he wrote for a particular purpose under the old covenant he made with the Israelites at Sinai.

However, the Holy Spirit is God *himself* and resides within the hearts (inner selves) of those who believe in Jesus and seek to do his will. The old law had a purpose of convicting us of sin. Now the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, which makes the written law redundant for that purpose. The old covenant law was just a shadow that pointed towards Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Benjamin Calvary said:

I want an exact citation from scripture please.

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Can't give you it, if I got drunk I would consider that going against the law in my heart.

Karola said:

The law God desires you to follow. Love God and love your fellow man/neighbour would pretty much sum it up

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And "THIS IS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Hence Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

BobRyan said:

True and Jesus is not "at war with His own Word"

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It's not his Word that is the problem. It's the interpretive lens that some use that seem to suggest that his grace is not enough.

Benjamin Calvary said:

I gave you the answer, it only requires you to read and understand.

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But you don't understand--they don't know how---They are waiting for the Spirit to tell them what we said!!
I think we need some popcorn!! This is better than any comedy I've seen in a long time. They can't read even with the large font. I think my computer is hot enough to pop the corn---see ya!

Karola said:

Can't give you it, if I got drunk I would consider that going against the law in my heart.

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Don't worry...getting drunk isn't breaking the ten commandments.

BobRyan said:

And "THIS IS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Hence Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

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As the law, is a law written in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and not written in ink, how did you become convicted you must obey a Saturday sabbath?

bekkilyn said:

The ten commandments were written by God,

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That is true.

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Rebellion against the Word of God - is not a sign of love for God.

When quoting God's Word we say "The SPIRIT SAYS..."

Hebrews 3 "

7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today if you hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me,
And saw My works for forty years.
10 “Therefore I was angry with this generation, "

bekkilyn said:

The old covenant law was just a shadow that pointed towards Christ

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The Ten Commandments are not the old covenant, and moreover they are never "shadow", never "carnal", not of this "earth" but rather "light" (Proverbs 6:23: Isaiah 8:20), "spiritual" (Romans 7:14) and spoken from "heaven" (Exodus 20:22), and the Sabbath of the LORD is a memorial (pointing to the perfect rest, of sinlessness and at-one-ment with God, and of the peace we now have again with the Father in Christ Jesus, by and through the Holy Spirit).

Karola said:

As the law, is a law written in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and not written in ink, how did you become convicted you must obey a Saturday sabbath?

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So then you have or have not read the moral law of God - that includes the TEN Commandments.

Ex 20:10 "but the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

Karola said:

As the law, is a law written in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and not written in ink, how did you become convicted you must obey a Saturday sabbath?

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No such thing as a "Saturday sabbath".

The word of God is spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:13), and the Holy Ghost speaks to my heart that which He hears, from Jesus, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6. The same Holy Ghost that wrote in stone, writes upon the fleshy tables of the heart/mind, which if you look at the brain from the front, looks like two tables of flesh.

BobRyan said:

So then you have or have not read the moral law of God - that includes the TEN Commandments.

Ex 20:10 "but the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

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But it is not a law written in ink is it, it is a law written on the heart by the Spirit of God, for you though it is a law written in ink. Sola scripture?

mmksparbud said:

But you don't understand--they don't know how---They are waiting for the Spirit to tell them what we said!! !

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I had some Mormons stop by my house and try that one out on me a few years ago.

BobRyan said:

That is true.

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Rebellion against the Word of God - is not a sign of love for God.

When quoting God's Word we say "The SPIRIT SAYS..."

Hebrews 3 "

7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today if you hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me,
And saw My works for forty years.
10 “Therefore I was angry with this generation, "

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And you intentionally left out "written by God for a particular purpose" and what that purpose was.

Then you make the assumption that Jesus is talking about the ten commandments rather than *his* commandments under the new covenant, which are to believe in him (trust) and to love other people as he loves us.

Benjamin Calvary said:

No such thing as a "Saturday sabbath".

The word of God is spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:13), and the Holy Ghost speaks to my heart that which He hears, from Jesus, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6. The same Holy Ghost that wrote in stone, writes upon the fleshy tables of the heart/mind, which if you look at the brain from the front, looks like two tables of flesh.

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I know, it is a law written in ink for you too

Karola said:

But it is not a law written in ink is it, it is a law written on the heart by the Spirit of God, for you though it is a law written in ink. Sola scripture?

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Jeremiah says "This IS the NEW Covenant... will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

There is such a thing as accurately studying the Bible so as not to "insert feelings into it" instead of "letting God speak". We call it "exegesis".

And key to that entire idea -- is context... the meaning that the Author had and that his words would have conveyed to his readers.

Jeremiah and his readers all knew that the TEN were included in the moral law of God... and that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

bekkilyn said:

The ten commandments were written by God,

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That is true.

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Rebellion against the Word of God - is not a sign of love for God.

When quoting God's Word we say "The SPIRIT SAYS..."

Hebrews 3 "

7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today if you hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me,
And saw My works for forty years.
10 “Therefore I was angry with this generation, "

bekkilyn said:

And you intentionally left out "written by God for a particular purpose" and what that purpose was.
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On the contrary - I love pointing to that purpose

And that purpose is "doctrine, correction and instruction in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16

2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV) 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2 Timothy 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;


That "moral law of God" includes ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments as we see in Eph 6:2 and as all of Christendom freely admits "not - just SDAs"

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Benjamin Calvary said:

The Ten Commandments are not the old covenant, and moreover they are never "shadow", never "carnal", not of this "earth" but rather "light" (Proverbs 6:23: Isaiah 8:20), "spiritual" (Romans 7:14) and spoken from "heaven" (Exodus 20:22), and the Sabbath of the LORD is a memorial (pointing to the perfect rest, of sinlessness and at-one-ment with God, and of the peace we now have again with the Father in Christ Jesus, by and through the Holy Spirit).

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Which means that Jesus *himself* is our sabbath rest and is who the old covenant and was pointing to. It's not about a day of the week. If our trust is in Jesus, then even though we are under no obligation to the law, are held in obedience to the law, because of *his* righteousness. It's not about diligently observing a ritual day of the week.

Benjamin Calvary said:

No such thing as a "Saturday sabbath".

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And just what day is day seven under our current calendar? Sunday? Wednesday? Friday?

Ohh...look...it's Saturday!

BobRyan said:

Jeremiah says "This IS the NEW Covenant... will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

There is such a thing as accurately studying the Bible so as not to "insert feelings into it" instead of "letting God speak". We call it "exegesis".

And key to that entire idea -- is context... the meaning that the Author had and that his words would have conveyed to his readers.

Jeremiah and his readers all knew that the TEN were included in the moral law of God... and that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

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You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2cor3:3

Where did your creative thinking come from?
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin

BobRyan said:

Jeremiah says "This IS the NEW Covenant... will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

There is such a thing as accurately studying the Bible so as not to "insert feelings into it" instead of "letting God speak". We call it "exegesis".

And key to that entire idea -- is context... the meaning that the Author had and that his words would have conveyed to his readers.

Jeremiah and his readers all knew that the TEN were included in the moral law of God... and that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

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He isn't talking about the ten commandments, but the Holy Spirit. Everything in the old covenant (which we call the new testament) points towards Jesus and the indwelling of the Spirit. Not towards law, law, and more law.

BobRyan said:

On the contrary - I love pointing to that purpose

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The purpose being for a covenant specifically made between God and the Israelites at Sinai. For the most part, they didn't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit on any sort of permanent basis, so God gave them the written law as a guide.