Brett Kavanaugh's faith

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Couples therapy comes under the category of psychotherapy. "Psychotherapy aims to improve an individual's well-being and mental health, to resolve or mitigate troublesome behaviors, beliefs, compulsions, thoughts, or emotions, and to improve relationships and social skills." (Wikipedia).
Being in the category doesn't make it the same thing. Couples therapy focuses on the relationship between the man and woman while psychotherapy is a long term process to help change an individual's behavior.
it is important that therapists do not try to impose their thoughts on to the client. This happens very easily because everyone has a personal bias which must be recognized.
There is no evidence that this occurred.
 
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Being in the category doesn't make it the same thing. Couples therapy focuses on the relationship between the man and woman while psychotherapy is a long term process to help change an individual's behavior.
You seem to be confusing psychoanalysis and psychotherapy. Psychotherapy is usually not long (less than 10 sessions) and can be used to address situations which may be impacting a couples relationship. In this case, Ford's recall of a sexual assault was considered pertinent.

Some people who undergo psychotherapy get worse, some experience no change, and some benefit.

Every psychotherapist works from a theoretical background which can influence the outcome of therapy.

Because the named witnesses did not corroborate Ford's account, it is relevant to question how she arrived at her 100% certainty that it was Kavanaugh who assaulted her when memories that could identify other witnesses are so confused.
 
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I'm just glad that the no corroboration circus is over. It's very sad that a good man had to go through so much. We should all be ashamed that this happened in our country. Yelling and screaming mobs is NOT corroboration. We must remember that this is America, and a person is innocent until proven guilty.
 
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You seem to be confusing psychoanalysis and psychotherapy.
Nope. I checked with psychologists.
Psychotherapy is usually not long (less than 10 sessions) and can be used to address situations which may be impacting a couples relationship.
Couples therapy is usually about 10-12 session but it really all depends on the problems. Some may be resolved in 6 sessions but some couples may be seen much longer. Psychotherapy usually last much longer than couples therapy but Psychologists usually won't say because it depends on how deep the problem is.
In this case, Ford's recall of a sexual assault was considered pertinent.

Yes, she was in couples therapy with her husband when she revealed the incident.
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Because the named witnesses did not corroborate Ford's account, it is relevant to question how she arrived at her 100% certainty that it was Kavanaugh who assaulted her when memories that could identify other witnesses are so confused.[/QUOTE]
Yes but there is no indication that therapists imposed these thoughts on Ford as you have claimed. She was in couples therapy with her husband when she revealed the assault. She continued her therapy, which have may have changed to one on one psychotherapy, but I haven't seen her therapist's notes detailing her therapy. That is key to understanding just what the psychologist may have used during sessions with her.
 
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Yes but there is no indication that therapists imposed these thoughts on Ford as you have claimed.
I have not "claimed" that, I suggested the possibility ... which is very different.

Ford was certain she had only had one beer at the party, was not taking any medication, and that her friend was at the party (a friend who is just as certain that she does not know Kavanaugh) which suggests that confused memories are being recalled as facts. Ford somehow acquired "100%" certainty that Kavanaugh was her assailant ... that could have occured during sessions with her psychotherapist.
 
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I have not "claimed" that, I suggested the possibility ... which is very different.
Sorry, I should have said "implied".
Ford was certain she had only had one beer at the party, was not taking any medication, and that her friend was at the party (a friend who is just as certain that she does not know Kavanaugh) which suggests that confused memories are being recalled as facts. Ford somehow acquired "100%" certainty that Kavanaugh was her assailant ... that could have occured during sessions with her psychotherapist.
It "could" have but we have no indication that it did. As far as evidence shows, she recovered her memories during therapy. All else is just speculation.
 
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It "could" have but we have no indication that it did. As far as evidence shows, she recovered her memories during therapy. All else is just speculation.
"recovered her memories during therapy" ... that reflects what I said in my post that you first responded to.

To suggest that these memories are facts is "just speculation" especially as it is thought that people with anxiety, depression or trauma are more susceptible to false memories. These false memories can be "recovered" by the psychotherapist asking a seemingly innocuous question like "Did such & such happen to you?"
 
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"recovered her memories during therapy" ... that reflects what I said in my post that you first responded to.
No it doesn't. You wrote, "A member of my family went to a psychotherapist with a weight problem and came away thinking her obesity could have been the result of being sexually abused as a small child by her father. This false notion was conclusively disproved but the damage lingered. "

There is nothing in my post that reflects what you wrote. You have been "implying" false memories while I have said that there is no evidence of that.
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To suggest that these memories are facts is "just speculation" [/quote]
I agree and haven't implied this.
These false memories can be "recovered" by the psychotherapist asking a seemingly innocuous question like "Did such & such happen to you?"
" Can be recovered" doesn't imply that they were. Most Psychologists know not to ask such questions.
 
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(snip) Yelling and screaming mobs is NOT corroboration. We must remember that this is America, and a person is innocent until proven guilty.
well...but only as long as there's an "R" after their name, right?
tulc(just reminding people) :wave:
 
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I'm just glad that the no corroboration circus is over. It's very sad that a good man had to go through so much. We should all be ashamed that this happened in our country. Yelling and screaming mobs is NOT corroboration. We must remember that this is America, and a person is innocent until proven guilty.
It is also sad that good women had to go through what they went through. Yelling and screaming isn't corroboration but it is common to both left and right and hopefully our Christian brethren remember how Tea Party members disrupted town hall meeting, screaming and yelling so that most people couldn't ask questions or get responses.

This is America and Americans have the right to voice their opinion, pro or con. In America, innocent until proven guilty is a matter in criminal cases, not political appointments.

I don't know which person was telling the facts but they had the opportunity to give their testimony.
 
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There is nothing in my post that reflects what you wrote. You have been "implying" false memories while I have said that there is no evidence of that.
The situation I described referred to memories recovered in therapy that the person believed were real.
There is good evidence that Ford's memory of the incident is faulty which was accurately presented in Rachel Mitchell's report.
Additionally, people who criticized Kavanaugh for heavy drinking did not witness any inappropriate behaviour towards women and his record of behaviour as an adult has not been faulted.
I also factor in what I said in the OP as evidence Kavanaugh was not responsible for whatever happened to Ford.

The therapeutic process still remains the most likely source of Ford's "100%" certainty that Kavanaugh assaulted her.
 
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The situation I described referred to memories recovered in therapy that the person believed were real.
Yes, but not mine.
There is good evidence that Ford's memory of the incident is faulty which was accurately presented in Rachel Mitchell's report.
And? Most people who try to relate an incident which occurred 30 years ago is faulty, including Kavanaugh's. In my investigation into work place incidents I stressed writing down the details as soon as possible. A few days, a week, a month, etc. affects the facts.
Additionally, people who criticized Kavanaugh for heavy drinking did not witness any inappropriate behaviour towards women and his record of behaviour as an adult has not been faulted.
Except the women who alleged he assaulted them. Those that confirmed his drinking provided evidence that he has no problem lying to investigators.
I also factor in what I said in the OP as evidence Kavanaugh was not responsible for whatever happened to Ford.
We'll probably know what the truth is. I pray for them both.
The therapeutic process still remains the most likely source of Ford's "100%" certainty that Kavanaugh assaulted her.
That is just your speculation. There are many places that those memories originate. They could be fact or they could have been a dream she had after watching a suspended filled movie while a youth. Memories have a way of morphing into something which never occurred.
 
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Kavanaugh admitted under questioning that he drank too much ... he is a very experienced judge, he is not so stupid as to lie under penalty of perjury.

After considering the case as I can understand it from the media, and my experience with therapy & false memory, my opinion remains that Ford most likely arrived at her "100%" conclusion during the therapeutic process.
 
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I had sex sort of once when I was a senior in high school. I also had sex twice with one lady while I was 19.

You don't dredge up crap like this over 30 years ago, and just NOW come out? The man was a sitting judge for years. The women had plenty of time to come out with their allegations. Why wait until the prime chance as he is nominated for SCOTUS? Why wait?

Answer: To make an impact on him now, to foul his nomination, and foul his reputation. To cause an outrage.

Glad the FBI did their investigation. Calm down. It went well as it should have. It's over.
 
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Glad the FBI did their investigation. Calm down. It went well as it should have. It's over.
No matter how long the FBi investigation continued it would never have satisfied the Left. No witness has corroborated any of the allegations against Kavanaugh, except for vague "I heard someone say" comments. My favourite is the guy who said 'someone' told him about the Ramirez accusation but when that 'someone' was questioned the 'someone' denied knowing anything about it.
 
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Kavanaugh admitted under questioning that he drank too much ... he is a very experienced judge, he is not so stupid as to lie under penalty of perjury.

After considering the case as I can understand it from the media, and my experience with therapy & false memory, my opinion remains that Ford most likely arrived at her "100%" conclusion during the therapeutic process.
Where did Kavanaugh get his false memories?
 
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Where did Kavanaugh get his false memories?
Your feeling is that Kavanaugh is guilty, my feeling is that he is innocent. Feelings are ok - much of life is based on whether we trust someone or not - but it is helpful to explore plausible explanations that support those feelings.
 
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