The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

Lazarus Short · Oct 5, 2018

Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. Those who walk on their own strength will do a faceplant.

Pneuma3 · Oct 5, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. Those who walk on their own strength will do a faceplant.

not exactly a faceplant, but tis as close as I could find. lol

FineLinen · Oct 5, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. Those who walk on their own strength will do a faceplant.

Dear Lazarus: I have never heard the term "faceplant" in all my wee experience.

I do know however, waiting on God is a disposition of constant vigil in the realm of "be being", which is a present continuous operation of His working within us who follow the Lamb in the withersoever.

he-man · Oct 6, 2018

FineLinen said:
Dear he-man: you must pay more attention. If you persist in bolding all of your post you will continue to give us headaches, and we shall simply ignore the entire mess!

You need to focus on quietly contemplating the Source of the ta panta and the Goal of the ta panta. He will not give you a headache and will transform you from the inside out.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

1223 διά on account of, by occasion of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of (that), by means of, by, for, through, with

Entry for Strong's #1223 - διά

c. of means 1. by 2. by the means of 2. through a. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done 1. by reason of

2. on account of 3. because of for this reason 4. therefore 5. on this account

1 of persons, thanks to, in Prose, by reason of, on account of, δ' ἡμᾶς Th. 1.41, cf. X. An. 7.6.33, D. 18.249; οὐ δι' ἐμαυτόν

2. of things, to express the Cause, Occasion, or Purpose freq. also with neut. Adjs., δ. τί; wherefore?; δ. τοῦτο, δ. ταῦτα on this account; δι' ὅ, δι' ἅ on which account; δ. πολλά for many reasons, etc.

with the genitive of thing, "by means of 1 Corinthians 11:12

2. of the reason or cause on account of which anything is or is done, or ought to be done; on account of, because of;

a. in the phrases διά τοῦτο, for this cause; for this reason; therefore; on this account; since this is so: Matthew 6:25; Matthew 12:27, 31; Matthew 13:13, etc.; Mark 6:14; Mark 11:24; Luke 11:49; Luke 14:20; John 6:65; John 9:23; Acts 2:26; Romans 1:26; Romans 4:16; Romans 5:12; Romans 13:6; Romans 15:9; 1 Corinthians 4:17; 1 Corinthians 11:10, 30; 2 Corinthians 4:1; Ephesians 1:15; Ephesians 5:17; Ephesians 6:13; Colossians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 3:5, 7; 2

Thessalonians 2:11; 2 Timothy 2:10; Hebrews 1:9; Hebrews 2:1; 1 John 4:5; 3 John 1:10; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 12:12; Revelation 18:8. followed by ὅτι, for this cause ... because, therefore ... because: John 5:16, 18; John 8:47; John 10:17; John 12:18, 39; 1 John 3:1

of any other cause on account of which one is said to do or to have done something — as in Matthew 14:3, 9; Matthew 15:3, 6; John 4:39, 41; John 12:11; John 14:11; Acts 28:2; Romans 3:25 (διά τήν πάρεσιν τῶν προγεγονότων ἁμαρτημάτων because of the pretermission etc., i. e. because he had left the sins unpunished); Romans 6:19; Romans 15:15; 2 Corinthians 9:14; Galatians 4:13 (δἰ ἀσθένειαν τῆς σαρκός, on account of an infirmity of the flesh, i. e.

διά with the accusative of a person is often equivalent to for the benefit of (English for the sake of): Mark 2:27; John 11:42; John 12:30; 1 Corinthians 11:9; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 6:7 διά τούς ἐκλεκτούς, Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; 2 Timothy 2:10; διά Χριστόν for Christ's sake, to promote his cause, 1 Corinthians 4:10; δἰ ὑμᾶς, John 12:30; 2 Corinthians 4:15; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Philippians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:5. διά τινα, because of the example set by one: 2 Corinthians 2:10; Romans 2:24; 2 Peter 2:2; διά τόν Χριστόν, for Christ, to become a partner of Christ, Philippians 3:7 (equivalent to ἵνα Χριστόν κερδήσω, Philippians 3:8). Thayer's Expanded Greek Definition, Electronic Database

2. C. acc; (i) rarely, as c. gen., through (Hom), δ . μέσον Σαμαρίας (ICC, in l; Bl., § 42, 1; Robertson, Gr., 581), Luke 17:11. (ii) by reason of, because of, for the sake of; (a) c. acc pers. (M, Pr., 105), Mark 2:27, John 6:57; John 11:42, Romans 8:20;

(b) c. acc rei, δ . φθόνον , Matthew 27:18, Mark 15:10; δ . φόβον , John 7:13; John 20:19; δ . ἀγάπην , Ephesians 2:4; δ . τοῦτο , freq., for this cause, therefore, Matthew 6:25, Mark 6:14, Luke 11:49, John 6:65, al.; id. seq. ὅτι , John 5:16; John 10:17, al.; δ . τί , why, Matthew 9:11; Matthew 9:14, Mark 2:18, John 7:45, al.; δ . τό , c. inf., Mark 5:4, Luke 9:7, James 4:2 Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

FineLinen · Oct 6, 2018

"And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

This Scripture is foundation for why I believe what I do.

"Much more"

"Even so"

"Much more abounded"

Dear friends: the predestined Lord of the universe has a plan for your life. It is a plan that is much more abounding than you or I can imagine. It exceeds anything we can ask or even think. It reaches to the farthest edge of experience. It is a salvation that is to the uttermost. How good He is!

Lazarus Short · Oct 6, 2018

Looking at the thread title again, I think of this verse, which sums it all up:

"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new..." -the Revelation 21:5

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 6, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
Looking at the thread title again, I think of this verse, which sums it all up:

"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new..." -the Revelation 21:5

I decided to look at 2 major Bible versions.

Revelation 21:5
New American Standard Bible
And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new."
And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."
Hort and Westcott
kai eipen o kaqhmenoV epi tw qronw idou kaina poiw panta
kai legei grayon oti outoi oi logoi pistoi kai alhqinoi eisin
King James Bible
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai eipen o kaqhmenoV epi tou qronou idou kaina panta poiw
kai legei moi grayon oti outoi oi logoi alhqinoi kai pistoi eisin

Then I looked at a favorite verse of mine and and noticed a few variances....

ISA)
2 Corinthians 5:17
So-that any in Christ, a new creation
the first-things passed-away
Behold! has become new-things [*behold! has become new the all things]

The H-W[NASB] leaves out "the all-things"

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

King James Bible
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
wste ei tiV en cristw kainh ktisiV ta arcaia parhlqen
idou gegonen kaina ta panta

New American Standard Bible
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Hort and Westcott
wste ei tiV en cristw kainh ktisiV ta arcaia parhlqen
idou gegonen kaina ** *****

FineLinen · Oct 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
I decided to look at 2 major Bible versions.

Revelation 21:5
New American Standard Bible
And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new."
And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."
Hort and Westcott
kai eipen o kaqhmenoV epi tw qronw idou kaina poiw panta
kai legei grayon oti outoi oi logoi pistoi kai alhqinoi eisin
King James Bible
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai eipen o kaqhmenoV epi tou qronou idou kaina panta poiw
kai legei moi grayon oti outoi oi logoi alhqinoi kai pistoi eisin

Then I looked at a favorite verse of mine and and noticed a few variances....

ISA)
2 Corinthians 5:17
So-that any in Christ, a new creation
the first-things passed-away
Behold! has become new-things [*behold! has become new the all things]

The H-W[NASB] leaves out "the all-things"

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

King James Bible
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
wste ei tiV en cristw kainh ktisiV ta arcaia parhlqen
idou gegonen kaina ta panta

New American Standard Bible
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Hort and Westcott
wste ei tiV en cristw kainh ktisiV ta arcaia parhlqen
idou gegonen kaina ** *****

Dear LittleLamb: The word you and Lazarus are referring is another powerful word from our God.

"Behold I make ALL things new"

New= kainos=

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- new, fresh

Yes, think of our God making new in a dimension of unprecedented!

he-man · Oct 7, 2018

FineLinen said:
Dear he-man: you must pay more attention. If you persist in bolding all of your post you will continue to give us headaches, and we shall simply ignore the entire mess!

You need to focus on quietly contemplating the Source of the ta panta and the Goal of the ta panta. He will not give you a headache and will transform you from the inside out.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

Don't complain1 Corinthians 10:10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.

FineLinen · Oct 7, 2018

Dear friends: Please take a few moments and read the following....

"The Father Who Lost Two Sons" by Robert Farrar Capon

The Focus= The Father

Lazarus Short · Oct 7, 2018

That is an amazing take on a deceptively simple story. I note that the father, sitting down, was able to see his son returning, but the elder brother, occupied with running the farm, missed his brother's arrival.

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
That is an amazing take on a deceptively simple story. I note that the father, sitting down, was able to see his son returning, but the elder brother, occupied with running the farm, missed his brother's arrival.

Dear Lazarus: A deceptively "simple" story indeed, with the Father the Central figure of the narrative (as He should be).

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

Welcome to the Ultimate recovery program

"God rescued us from dead-end alleys and dark dungeons. He’s set us up in the kingdom of the Son he loves so much, the Son who got us out of the pit we were in, got rid of the sins we were doomed to keep repeating.

Christ Holds It All Together

We look at this Son and see the God who cannot be seen. We look at this Son and see God’s original purpose in everything created. For everything, absolutely everything, above and below, visible and invisible, rank after rank after rank of angels—everything got started in him and finds its purpose in him. He was there before any of it came into existence and holds it all together right up to this moment. And when it comes to the church, he organizes and holds it together, like a head does a body.

He was supreme in the beginning and—leading the resurrection parade—he is supreme in the end.

From beginning to end he’s there, towering far above everything, everyone. Everything of God finds its proper place in him without crowding. Not only that, but>>>

all the broken and dislocated pieces of the universe—people and things, animals and atoms—get properly fixed and fit together in vibrant harmonies, all because of his death, his blood that poured down from the cross."

-The Message-

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

"The fire does not "begin a new regime" or alter the form of being as your author claims."

Dear Fundy: The essence of our God is Fire (also Light/Spirit/Love/Saviour/Propitiation). I assure you the Fire of His essence transforms everything it touches, EVERYTHING!

"Behold I make ALL things new"

New= kainos=

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- new, fresh

Kainos= Unprecedented.

Without previous instance; never before known or experienced; unexampled or unparalleled.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 8, 2018

Hey FL.
I am doing a little harmonizing with Luke and Revelation, but did you notice the greek word #2411 used for "Temple" is never once used in Revelation?![or maybe I am missing something?]

LUKE, REVELATION AND JERSALEM 70AD CONTROVERSY

2411. hieron hee-er-on' neuter of 2413;
a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere):--temple.

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,<2411>
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher!
behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple<2411>
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings it has been adorned

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G2411 matches the Greek ἱερόν (hieron),
which occurs 71 times in 67 verses

The 1st time it is used is when the Devil put Jesus on a pinnacle of the Temple:

Matthew 4:5
Then the Devil taketh him up into the holy City, and setteth Him on a pinnacle of the Temple<2411>

Last time used:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Have ye not known that those working about the things of the Temple<2411> -- of the Temple<2411> do eat,
and those waiting at the Altar -- with the Altar are partakers?

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Hey FL.
I am doing a little harmonizing with Luke and Revelation, but did you notice the greek word #2411 used for "Temple" is never once used in Revelation?![or maybe I am missing something?]

LUKE, REVELATION AND JERSALEM 70AD CONTROVERSY

2411. hieron hee-er-on' neuter of 2413;
a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere):--temple.

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,<2411>
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher!
behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple<2411>
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings it has been adorned

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G2411 matches the Greek ἱερόν (hieron),
which occurs 71 times in 67 verses

The 1st time it is used is when the Devil put Jesus on a pinnacle of the Temple:

Matthew 4:5
Then the Devil taketh him up into the holy City, and setteth Him on a pinnacle of the Temple<2411>

Last time used:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Have ye not known that those working about the things of the Temple<2411> -- of the Temple<2411> do eat,
and those waiting at the Altar -- with the Altar are partakers?

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

Dear LittleLamb: I believe the word "temple" is used in the Revelation in a couple of passages. (occurs 16 times in 13 verses in your custom selection 'Revelation' in the KJV.)

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Temple - Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words - Bible Dictionary

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 8, 2018

FineLinen said:
Dear LittleLamb: I believe the word "temple" is used in the Revelation in a couple of passage.

https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/ved/t/temple.htmls

Nope.....#2411.....

Only the SANCTUARY is mentioned

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G3485 matches the Greek ναός (naos),
which occurs 46 times in 40 verse

used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of the god was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)
any heathen temple or shrine
metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

FineLinen · Oct 8, 2018

Dear LittleLamb: Get down to earth. Exit that flying contraption now. Do not say "nope".

Temple - Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words - Bible Dictionary

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

Dear Little Lamb: Are you going to take "nope" back? I must go friend, my wife of 55 years has threatened me with an ultimatum, her face is very red, and smoke is flowing from her eyes.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 8, 2018

FineLinen said:
Dear LittleLamb: Get down to earth. Exit that flying contraption now. Do not say "nope".

Temple - Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words - Bible Dictionary

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Hi FL.......Please notice it is #3485 in Revelation, not #2411.
The Sanctuary was inside the Temple and contained the holy place and most holy place. Only the High priest could enter thru the 2nd veil where the Ark was and that once a year......

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

Rev 3:12
He who is overcoming -- I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and without he may not go any more, and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, that doth come down out of the heaven from my God -- also my new name.

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485>of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold[water lavar/Altar of Sacrifice], without of the Sanctuary<3485>, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
and the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) 42 months months.

The Court in Revelation 11:2
The Court in Revelation 11:2
Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

The Camp--The Gate--
The Court--The Bronze Altar--The Water Laver
The Tabernacle--
The First Veil--
The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--
The Second Veil
The Mercy Seat and Ark--
The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

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