Is Hell A Real?


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I have heard that many Christians do not believe that hell is real. I found this to be absurd, but I am open to hearing both sides of the argument. So that is what has lead me to proposing this question, is Hell real?
If it is or is not please explain.

P.S. I for one do believe it exist. Sorry for the pun in the poll but is just too much for me to resist.
 

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Hell is very real to the one who fears it. One cannot tell another that their fear does not exist..... Just like the ones who are deathly afraid of the butterfly, cannot be comforted by your exclamations of their inability to do harm.

For an educated(non-spiritual) answer, you must first give us the idea of hell that you want us to focus on....e.g. a place of fire run by a red man with a pitch fork.....or a place of extreme mental anguish etc...

Other than that, we know how important, what we believe, is to our future.....
 
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Hell is very real to the one who fears it. One cannot tell another that their fear does not exist..... Just like the ones who are deathly afraid of the butterfly, cannot be comforted by your exclamations of their inability to do harm.

For an educated(non-spiritual) answer, you must first give us the idea of hell that you want us to focus on....e.g. a place of fire run by a red man with a pitch fork.....or a place of extreme mental anguish etc...

Other than that, we know how important, what we believe, is to our future.....

First of all, there is a huge difference between a justified fear of a real place and an irrational fear. As for the definition of hell, I'm referring to it as defined in the Bible:
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42
 
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Hell is very real to the one who fears it. One cannot tell another that their fear does not exist..... Just like the ones who are deathly afraid of the butterfly, cannot be comforted by your exclamations of their inability to do harm.

For an educated(non-spiritual) answer, you must first give us the idea of hell that you want us to focus on....e.g. a place of fire run by a red man with a pitch fork.....or a place of extreme mental anguish etc...

Other than that, we know how important, what we believe, is to our future.....

Are you saying, hell is not real if I do not fear it?
 
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First of all, there is a huge difference between a justified fear of a real place and an irrational fear.

Is there really a difference? If you are deathly afraid of dogs and I told you there was a big one standing right outside the bathroom you have to come out of....... would it really matter to you if the dog was real, or a stuffed animal? Wouldn't you feel the same inner turmoil until you met with this fear/dog and saw it was only a stuffed animal? While in the bathroom....was the fear justified or irrational?

As for the definition of hell, I'm referring to it as defined in the Bible: "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42

So you believe that there is a literal oven of fire that people will be thrown into that is full of people weeping and grinding their teeth? If so, adding this to the OP should getting narrow down the focus of responders.
 
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In all honesty, it really depends on what "theology" you were taught way back.

I've had this discussion many times, and I can't count the number of times that "Separation from God is the hell described".

If you take what is said by Jesus Himself about that place, then you'd have no question.

However, I have also been told that:

"Eternal life in hell is still eternal life. So how can the unsaved have eternal life without accepting Jesus Christ?"

An eternity in the "Lake of Fire" is not life by any stretch of the imagination. If you compare it to what is promised to the Redeemed.

Hell, Hades, whatever you call it, is only temporary. (Rev. 20:13: "and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:") What is to follow is far worse.

Do I believe hell is real? Yes, yes I do.

God Bless

Till all are one.”
 
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"Eternal life in hell is still eternal life. So how can the unsaved have eternal life without accepting Jesus Christ?"

You have posted a truth that few understand or attempt to explain if they believe in "the unsaved have eternal life "

Matthew 7:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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I have heard that many Christians do not believe that hell is real. I found this to be absurd, but I am open to hearing both sides of the argument. So that is what has lead me to proposing this question, is Hell real?
If it is or is not please explain.

P.S. I for one do believe it exist. Sorry for the pun in the poll but is just too much for me to resist.

I choose to believe there is a place called the Lake of Fire, because it is part of the Revelation Jesus gave. That wasn't the only time that Jesus shared about what we call "hell' either. Others, who would have known what Jesus meant also talked about that judgment (like Peter and Jude, for example).

That being said, the KJV translated into hell three different New Testament Greek words: Sheol, Gehenna, and Tartarus. I believe Gehenna is the one that we would consider hell. I believe Sheol is the holding place of dead before judgment. I believe Tartarus is the pit. Only Peter spoke of Tartarus. Jesus spoke predominately of Gehenna (when translated hell).

And, what exactly happens is a question I'm not sure is answered in Scripture. Are people thrown in and tormented while being sustained or do they get thrown in without being sustained, so they die? Put another way are all people resurrected--brought into eternal life--so then they can be judged and some live in eternal conscious torment OR are they judged and some are given eternal life and others are destroyed OR is there another option that we don't have all the information on and is only hinted at? That may be a little less clear.
 
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Can you tell me when this physical place was created, or when it will be...?

Is heaven real? Do you know where the physical place is? What if, we are all given spiritual bodies--like angels--and in the spiritual dimension there is a place called hell that doesn't need physical boundaries?
 
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Is heaven real? Do you know where the physical place is? What if, we are all given spiritual bodies--like angels--and in the spiritual dimension there is a place called hell that doesn't need physical boundaries?
The OP is talking about a Furnace of fire, when he refers to hell......People are literally thrown in there and then cry and grind their teeth, once there.

In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth......It is written....therefore one can use this to say that it is real and exist because we know that it was created and when. I'm asking if you have the same or similar reference to the creation of this furnace.
 
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Hell is most definitely real.
We even get to experience some of it in our normal everyday lives since the fall of man.
For instance sickness, poverty, rape, insomnia. All these exist in hell.

Hell is HOT. It also smells like the worst sewer and the screams are ridiculous to the point it would cause physical pain. It's also manure and urine that people rarely talk about.
The walls have demons in them and it moves.
Terrible stuff.
That's why we need to stay close to GOD.

 
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I have heard that many Christians do not believe that hell is real. I found this to be absurd, but I am open to hearing both sides of the argument. So that is what has lead me to proposing this question, is Hell real?
If it is or is not please explain.

P.S. I for one do believe it exist. Sorry for the pun in the poll but is just too much for me to resist.

What is Hell

Hell is simply the grave, as taught in the Bible. Where do we go when we die? The Bible is very clear on this subject. Christ, the apostles, and the prophets teach that when a person dies they are asleep in a state of inactivity until the time of their resurrection.

Some clergy explain that when someone dies, good people go to heaven and bad people go to "hell", being tortured by demons for all eternity. This mis-teaching has been passed on as an accepted belief for centuries.

Some clergy say the deceased are now "looking down from heaven, watching over you". Have you ever been to a funeral where the clergyman says, "This man didn't quite live up to the standard and is now screaming at us from below, being tortured by a fiery landscape of brimstone and dwelling among devils?" Probably not. To condemn an individual this way would be to judge him, and the Bible says it’s not time for judgment" (Ecclesiastes 3:17, Ecclesiastes 12:14). If they declare a person is in heaven, is that not also making a judgment on them? It is not for us to judge.

Reason this, that the Bible teaches that we either live forever or die forever (Deuteronomy 30:19). If a person was being tortured for all eternity, wouldn't he or she still be alive (immortal)? When a person dies, they are asleep in the grave until their time of resurrection (Daniel 12:2).

Hell Is Simply the Grave

The Grave Hell (Strong’s Concordance #7585) in the Hebrew translation meaning Sheol or “grave”.

Ecclesiastes 3:18-20
When people die, they sleep in the grave until the time of judgment.

Ecclesiastes 9:10
When people are dead, they have no thoughts or actions.

Jonah 1:17, 2:1-2
Jonah cried to God from his would-be grave.

Acts 2:25-31

When Jesus Christ died, he was put into his tomb, but was not left in hell (the grave). His Father brought him back to life after three days and three nights.
(See also 1 Kings 2:10 and Matthew 12:40.)

Revelation 20:13-14
Death and the grave (hell) are eliminated.

State of the Dead

Psalms 90:3-6

You turn man back into dust And say, "Return, O children of men." For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.

Job 7:21

"Why then do You not pardon my transgression And take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust; And You will seek me, but I will not be."

Job 14:10-12

"But man dies and lies prostrate Man expires, and where is he? "As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, So man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, He will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.

Psalm 13:3

Consider and answer me, O LORD my God; Enlighten my eyes, or I will sleep the sleep of death,

Daniel 12:2

"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 9:24

He said, "Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him.

Mark 5:39

And entering in, He said to them, "Why make a commotion and weep? The child has not died, but is asleep."

Luke 8:52-53

Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.

1 Kings 2:10

Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David.

Deuteronomy 31:16

The LORD said to Moses, "Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers; and this people will arise and play the harlot with the strange gods of the land, into the midst of which they are going, and will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them.

2 Samuel 7:12

"When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom.

1 Kings 11:43

And Solomon slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of his father David, and his son Rehoboam reigned in his place.

1 Kings 14:20

The time that Jeroboam reigned was twenty-two years; and he slept with his fathers, and Nadab his son reigned in his place.

1 Kings 16:6

And Baasha slept with his fathers and was buried in Tirzah, and Elah his son became king in his place.

1 Kings 22:50

And Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers and was buried with his fathers in the city of his father David, and Jehoram his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 14:16

So Jehoash slept with his fathers and was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel; and Jeroboam his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 15:7

And Azariah slept with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David, and Jotham his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 16:20

So Ahaz slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David; and his son Hezekiah reigned in his place.

2 Kings 20:21

So Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and Manasseh his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 21:18

And Manasseh slept with his fathers and was buried in the garden of his own house, in the garden of Uzza, and Amon his son became king in his place.

Revelation 14:13

And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."


John 11:11-14

This He said, and after that He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep." The disciples then said to Him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover." Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep.

Acts 7:60

Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:6

After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;

John 5:28-29

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Job 14:13-15

"Oh that You would hide me in Sheol, That You would conceal me until Your wrath returns to You, That You would set a limit for me and remember me! "If a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my struggle I will wait Until my change comes. "You will call, and I will answer You; You will long for the work of Your hands.

Psalm 17:15

As for me, I shall behold Your face in righteousness; I will be satisfied with Your likeness when I awake.

Isaiah 26:19

Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.


Luke 16:22-23

"Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

1 Corinthians 15:20

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Jeremiah 51:57

"I will make her princes and her wise men drunk, Her governors, her prefects and her mighty men, That they may sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up," Declares the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.


Psalms 7:3-5

O LORD my God, if I have done this, If there is injustice in my hands, If I have rewarded evil to my friend, Or have plundered him who without cause was my adversary, Let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it; And let him trample my life down to the ground And lay my glory in the dust. Selah.

Psalm 76:5

The stouthearted were plundered, They sank into sleep; And none of the warriors could use his hands.

Jeremiah 51:39

"When they become heated up, I will serve them their banquet And make them drunk, that they may become jubilant And may sleep a perpetual sleep And not wake up," declares the LORD.

Is God torturing people in "hell"? No Will God torture people in "hell" for eternity? No
and "hell no" (I can't resist either ;o) )

What loving God would do such a thing? He doesn't. He does totally destroy them and they will never live again. Total destruction in order to totally annihilate sin.

Another mis-teaching. Now, this is very condensed, there is a lot that happens, I'm trying to keep from getting too much on one post.

1st Resurrection - all the saved dead and saved living at the time will be caught up in the air changed into their new immortal bodies and from then on will be with the Lord. The unsaved dead remain in "hell" the grave, the unsaved living at the time are destroyed and lay dead upon the earth. Satan and his fallen angels are on a desolate earth and have nobody to tempt, for 1,000 years ... then the 2nd Resurrection happens.

2nd Resurrection - All the unsaved dead are resurrected (not immortal}, and the Great White Throne judgement, God sets the entire earth on fire and the fire totally consumes everything. (all the unsaved and satan and his angels) and the entire earth and that's the total end of sin.

God, then makes everything new, establishes his perfect kingdom on earth and there is no sin.

Understanding the State of the Dead is very important. What a person believes in this regard, will lead them down mis-teachings of other beliefs and belief systems and a bunch of confusion trying to explain a lot of teachings in the bible.

Nobody is immortal until they are resurrected from the grave. If one believes that any part of them continues beyond the grave before the 1st Resurrection, then the original lie of Satan is being perpetuated. Satan to Eve: "You will not surely die." (ie you are immortal).

1 Timothy 6


16 He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him.

To those who disagree ... I agree to disagree.

May the Lord lead all to the truth in His Holy word. Amen.
 
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There are many different takes on this issue.
I grew up in a time when the rapture was about to happen and save the middle classes from the rein of the enemy, so you should go to church.

I have a problem with believers who feel anyone who does not know Jesus or a narrow theology will be tortured for eternity for their sins, when their lives are little different from the believers.

A different narrative is we live in a kind of hell here now. The question is based on the promises Jesus offers if you willing to open ones heart and let Him in.

Without this new life, at the end of life, one is just a wreak, a broken building, worthy just to be destroyed. Now this matches better the realities we see around us. We are born separate from God and conflicted and defended, slaves to sin and behaviours that hold us captive.

In much of history there has been true abuse of individuals and injustice, which for a time deserves punishment and suffering.

The description of chaff and wheat is used to describe the lost and redeemed. Jesus's picture of His people, loving, freely sharing and being open, is a picture of a living caring community living in harmony and growing in grace.

The more I learn about emotional conflict, internal contradictions and hypocracies, the life image we have of ourselves seems to fall apart if these are not healed and resolved in Jesus.

What God warns is His perfect nature, purity and holiness, when once seen it will destroy us unless we are in Christ, reborn, remade, consistent, pure and holy. It is a warning. So the emphasis is on how different this place is to the world, not on the destruction sin brings to the sinner.

A fire is for destruction, to consume something so it cannot return. We should fear this and learn the road of life Jesus offers.

So I reject the rapture theology that emphasis fear and escapism, and open to Jesus, life changing emotional honesty and resolution through community in the Kingdom of God.
 
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A fire is for destruction, to consume something so it cannot return. We should fear this and learn the road of life Jesus offers.

You realize that that statement can be interpreted as supporting "Annihilationism" don't you?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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You realize that that statement can be interpreted as supporting "Annihilationism" don't you?

God Bless

Till all are one.

There is a problem in the teaching of the church, historically that it emphasised fear of Hell and buying people out of purgatory through say masses etc.

Scripture supports directly torture for people who support the beast and take its mark.
What is missed for this to be a step up in the general situation, it implies mortal man will just be destroyed after a set period of punishment.

So there is support for both positions.

A further moral problem is how can a child who is born but dies before they have reached the age of moral responsibility, should be punished and tortured for all eternity for something they could do nothing about, by not choosing life, by not choosing Christ, because they could not assent to this, and being held accountable for the position of their parents.

The alternative is these children enter heaven, as innocents.
So one is caught between universalism and cruelty.

The other realisation is if heaven is about consistent relationship with Jesus which is impossible without new birth, the idea of entering heaven without this become absurd and meaningless.

It is not disimilar to the idea to believers accepting a rebellious God hating individual will enter heaven because they had faith at another point in their lives. If this is possible, then why not everyone, if God can turn rebellious sinners into redeemed saints against their conscious will without destroying them.

So the issues are not without problems if one wants to be honest with what one is buying into.
 
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