Third Temple Shekel Antichrist location?

ItIsFinished! · Oct 7, 2018

BABerean2 said:
The only way you can make the above work is by ignoring the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

In the passage below Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost.
Who do you think he was talking to?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

When the Church began it was made up almost entirely of Israelites.
The Gentiles were grafted in among them several years later.

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the faith.
Who do you think James was talking to?

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

The New Covenant: Bob George

I disagree.
The Church and Israel are separate.
I don't disagree with everything you stated however.
If the two were the same then the Jews (chosen ones) would be raptured as PART of the Church.
They are not .
Why? Because at this present juncture they are still waiting on the Messiah.
They rejected the humble Saviour riding in on a donkey, but many will embrace Him when He comes back on a pure white stallion as King of kings and Lord of lords.
Therefore the Church is made up of believers in Christ from the day of Pentacost till present.

BABerean2 · Oct 7, 2018

ItIsFinished! said:
If the two were the same then the Jews (chosen ones) would be raptured as PART of the Church.
They are not .
Why? Because at this present juncture they are still waiting on the Messiah.
They rejected the humble Saviour riding in on a donkey, but many will embrace Him when He comes back on a pure white stallion as King of kings and Lord of lords.

If you think only Gentiles will be raptured, you better read your Bible again.

Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew chapter 25, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, nobody will be saved at Christ's Second Coming, when He returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

If a man stands up in you church body and says that because his parents are Jewish he does not need Christ as his Messiah, would you agree with him?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am Abraham's seed and heir to the promise, through Christ.

The Apostle Paul said the Abrahamic promise was made only to Christ in Galatians 3:16.

The Jewish man in the video below found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

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keras · Oct 7, 2018

ItIsFinished! said:
Actually it isn't. Israel and the Church are separate.
And you would be in error to say they always have been when the Church wasn't instituted until the day of Pentacost.

The Jewish State of Israel and the established Church are two separate entities. No one argues otherwise.
But the true Israelites of God are every faithful Christian, from every tribe, race, nation and language. That is how it has been from the beginning; the congregation, the ekkelasia; the church of faithful believers, from Abel, to Elijah's 7000, to the few survivors after 40 years in the desert, to the Pilgrim Fathers, to todays genuine Christians.

The idea that the Jewish people still have God's favor, is sadly mistaken. They have had nearly 2000 years of God's grace for them to accept their Messiah. This has not and will not happen, as Jesus knew they wouldn't. That is why He prophesied that He would save the lost House of Israel. the other ten tribes, still in exile, who have largely accepted Jesus and are now His Overcomers, literally; the Israelites of God.

LastSeven · Oct 7, 2018

ItIsFinished! said:
Well that is what you are actually doing.

That's what I'm doing? Am I the one saying that a group of anti-Christs are God's people? You're seriously going to try to turn that around on me?

ItIsFinished! · Oct 7, 2018

LastSeven said:
That's what I'm doing? Am I the one saying that a group of anti-Christs are God's people? You're seriously going to try to turn that around on me?

Where did I state that a group of "anti-christs" are God's people?
I never stated that.
Please correct this.
Thank you.

LastSeven · Oct 7, 2018

ItIsFinished! said:
Where did I state that a group of "anti-christs" are God's people?
I never stated that.
Please correct this.
Thank you.

You said "I personally do not adhere to replacement theology. The Church has not replaced Israel. "

Usually when people say that, it means they believe national Israel is God's people. Is that what you believe?

Cis.jd · Oct 7, 2018

JohnB445 said:
I've been reading about this prophecy theory. It is Isreali Independence 70th year. There is a building of a Third Temple Shekel. And the Red Heifers have been born.

Not everything in your facebook timeline is real.

Seville90210 · Oct 8, 2018

Douggg said:
I think we are going to have to see what becomes of Trump's peace plan to see what impact it might have bible prophecy wise.

I would say this is a good idea.

Douggg said:
There have been a number of false messiah's, i.e. false christs claiming to be Jesus like Jose Miranda, Vissarion in Russia, John Miller in Australia. But those are not the same as the Anti- Jesus Christ. Videos available on You Tube

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

AntiChrist doesn't claim to be Jesus, but is instead of and against Jesus as the messiah.

Matthew 24:24 was the primary verse I thought your idea of a false messiah could possibly have originated from, however it doesn't completely add up. The Jews in Israel are practicing Judaism don't read the new testament, so how can they draw to a conclusion of a future false messiah based on Matthew 24:24? Secondly, the verse speaks of "false Christs", not about a single false messiah who declares himself to be a Jewish messiah.

Are there other verses this theory is based upon?

Has the possibility that this false messiah some people claim will appear soon could be the real Messiah since Jesus is returning soon? The Jews missed Jesus the first coming time He came 2000 years ago. It would be extremely bad if they repeat the same mistake twice don't you think?

Seville90210 · Oct 8, 2018

Douggg said:
Your concept of the Antichrist will have to change in order to realize the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not a peace treaty - but the Mt. Sinai covenant, which the Jews hold to.

Douggg, both your theories are starting to get bizarre. Daniel wrote his prophetic book about the end time around 6th century BC. Moses wrote the book of Deuteronomy around 1400 BC. Daniel's prophecy is about the future from his time, not about Moses in the past.

Douggg said:
Why would I think that? Jesus returns to Jerusalem to rescue the Jews there in Zechariah 14.

Half the city goes into captivity at that time when the armies come down from gathering at Armageddon and surround the city, and the women raped. The rest of city is not cutoff. What it means is the plan of the beast, false prophet, and kings of the earth - is they are going to take Jerusalem as hostage - so Jesus doesn't execute judgment on them.

This is bizarre too Douggg. Jesus destroys the A/C at Armageddon. The A/C is dead, he can't invade Jerusalem or any other city if he's dead now can he?

And Jerusalem was destroyed at the midpoint of the tribulation during the AoD. Did these scriptures not mean anything to you?

Amos 9:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Jeremiah 7:34 King James Version (KJV)
34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem,the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Isaiah 64:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 Be not wroth very sore, O Lord, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.
10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.
11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.

Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Matthew 24:24 was the primary verse I thought your idea of a false messiah could possibly have originated from, however it doesn't completely add up. The Jews in Israel are practicing Judaism don't read the new testament, so how can they draw to a conclusion of a future false messiah based on Matthew 24:24? Secondly, the verse speaks of "false Christs", not about a single false messiah who declares himself to be a Jewish messiah.

Are there other verses this theory is based upon?

Seville - I always refer to the person as the Antichrist when he is in his perceived messiah role. I often refer to the person as "the person"... because I don't yet know what he name is.

I don't use the tem "false messiah" - except in explaining what false messiah means in Matthew 24:24, like I did in responding to you.. If you find some place where I used "false messiah" instead of Antichrist - please let me know what post, and I will go back and fix it.

I use the term antichrist, although I capitalize it, as that is the term John used in 1John2:18...

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

"anti" is a prefix meaning "against" and/or "instead of". "christ" is a greek word for the hebrew word for messiah, which goes back as meaning anointed. See John 4:25 below....

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

The function role of "the" messaih, i.e. Christ, was to be the King of Israel. I gave three passages below that associate Jesus as being the promised King of Israel.

Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Douggg, both your theories are starting to get bizarre. Daniel wrote his prophetic book about the end time around 6th century BC. Moses wrote the book of Deuteronomy around 1400 BC. Daniel's prophecy is about the future from his time, not about Moses in the past.

The Antichrist role - is being the perceived messiah and anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate). Thus, he will be in the role of being the leader of Israel who's responsibility will be to confirm the covenant.

Daniel 9:27 is something that will be fulfilled in the end times, 2500 years from Daniel.

Daniel, in Daniel 9, was praying about how his people had transgressed the law God gave through Moses, at Mt Sinai. That is the covenant being referred to in Daniel 9:27.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

So there is Moses right there in Daniel 9. It is the Mt. Sinai covenant being talked about. And the Jews, who are looking for the messiah, go by the Mt. Sinai covenant... i.e "the covenant".

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So you can go and research the law of Moses and see if it has anything about 7 years.

And Lo and behold ! It is right there in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

As they were about to cross over the Jordan and possess the promised land, Moses himself would not be allowed to go into the promised land.

So Moses on that day, made a requirement, so future generation would not forget all the children of Israel went through, and the reason they are living in Israel, of a big remembrance speech - which confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant that God gave the children of Israel the land of Israel as theirs forever.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
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I have talked to the Jews about this requirement made by Moses and asked if it has been done in recent times. They told me "no" because the big speech has to be done from the Temple Mount - which they consider the place of God's choosing. Well, the muslims are never going to allow that - that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews forever!

Following Gog/Magog, when the muslims are evacuated from the Temple Mount, it will be possible. And the prince coming from the EU, north and west of Israel, will be perceived, by the Jews, to be their long awaited messiah - and he will be anointed the King of Israel... making him the Antichrist.

And he will proceed to make the big speech confirming the Mt Sinai covenant, the same covenant Daniel was referring to in his prayer, for the 7 year cycle Moses set up. That same covenant laws of Moses also established the animal sacrifices - that will be stopped by the Antichrist, when he goes betrayal mode, in the midde of the 7 years.

It is not a peace treaty. I am pretty sure you are, by no fault of your own, a victim of long term bible prophecy uninformed teachings - which have merit, although wrong, based on "he shall destroy many by peace" in Daniel 8, linked to 1Thessalonians5, the peace and safety.

The peace and safety, though, of 1Thessalonians5 will be because the Jews will be thinking the person is their messiah and that that they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Not because they have entered a peace treaty.
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Now there may be some sort of peace treaty, like Trump's, that may set the Jews up for the living in peace right before Gog/Magog. We will see. To me, the Jews are already living in peace compared to what they came out of during WWII, but it is a tentative peace for sure.

But the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9 - will be the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

You have been conditioned by the bible prophecy teachers, from way back - that it is a peace treaty. Not so. They miss the point because they don't understand the role of the Antichrist... to be anointed King of Israel, perceived messiah... the crown he is given in Revelation 6, the rider on the white horse, by whom the 7 years in Revelation begin.

Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
This is bizarre too Douggg. Jesus destroys the A/C at Armageddon. The A/C is dead, he can't invade Jerusalem or any other city if he's dead now can he?

And Jerusalem was destroyed at the midpoint of the tribulation during the AoD.

Jerusalem will not be destroyed at any time in the end times. The beast and his armies will occupy it for 42 months, the second half of the seven years. And the nations will join in and come up against Jerusalem to make war against Jesus at the very end of the 42 months. But Jerusalem will not be destroyed.

Did these scriptures not mean anything to you? Amos 9:8-10 King James Version (KJV), Jeremiah 7:34 King James Version (KJV), Isaiah 64:9-11 King James Version (KJV)

Amos 9:8-10, Jeremiah 7:34 - both refer to judgement on Israel back at the time the second temple was destroyed because they grown corrupt, money and power hungry, idol worship, following false gods, heartless in dealing with the less fortunate, and departed from the ways of God.

Isaiah 64:9-11 is Isaiah's plead for God to restore them from the judgment they received.

It is not about saying that Jerusalem in the end times will be destroyed.

BABerean2 · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
The Jews in Israel are practicing Judaism don't read the new testament, so how can they draw to a conclusion of a future false messiah based on Matthew 24:24?

Modern Orthodox Judaism is based on the Babylonian Talmud, instead of the Old Testament.

The Talmud is made up of the writings of the rabbis who lived after 70 AD.

The Talmud claims that Christ is the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera.
(See the book "Jesus in the Talmud", by Dr. Peter Schafer. Dr. Schafer is Jewish.)

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Talmud...-1&keywords=jesus+in+the+talmud+peter+schäfer

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Seville90210 · Oct 8, 2018

Douggg said:
Jerusalem will not be destroyed at any time in the end times. The beast and his armies will occupy it for 42 months, the second half of the seven years. And the nations will join in and come up against Jerusalem to make war against Jesus at the very end of the 42 months. But Jerusalem will not be destroyed.

Impossible and virtually illogical. If the A/C and his army stays in Jerusalem for 42 months during the entire second half of the tribulation, how is he suppose to go out to conquer many nations the bible many times prophesied? He also has to go to Armageddon approximately 50 miles north of Jerusalem to fight his last battle. Armageddon is not fought at Jerusalem. He can't stay in Jerusalem the entire second half of the tribulation and fulfill all the prophecies about him in the bible.

Jerusalem very much does get destroy at the middle of the tribulation, during the AoD. Why would Jesus warn readers in Matthew 24:15-21 to flee if Jerusalem remains intact?

Matthew 24:15-21 King James Version (KJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The battle at Jerusalem will involve so much bloodshed and casualties, more so than any other cities in the history of war.

Revelation 14:20 New Living Translation (NLT)
20 The grapes were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress in a stream about 180 miles long and as high as a horse’s bridle.

Isaiah 29:1-7 New Living Translation (NLT)
1 “What sorrow awaits Ariel, the City of David.
Year after year you celebrate your feasts.
2 Yet I will bring disaster upon you,
and there will be much weeping and sorrow.
For Jerusalem will become what her name Ariel means—
an altar covered with blood.
3 I will be your enemy,
surrounding Jerusalem and attacking its walls.
I will build siege towers
and destroy it.
4 Then deep from the earth you will speak;
from low in the dust your words will come.
Your voice will whisper from the ground
like a ghost conjured up from the grave.
5 “But suddenly, your ruthless enemies will be crushed
like the finest of dust.
Your many attackers will be driven away
like chaff before the wind.
Suddenly, in an instant,
6 I, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, will act for you
with thunder and earthquake and great noise,
with whirlwind and storm and consuming fire.
7 All the nations fighting against Jerusalem
will vanish like a dream!
Those who are attacking her walls
will vanish like a vision in the night.

And at the end of a huge bloody battle at Jerusalem, do you know why all her enemies suddenly and instantly vanishes off the face of the earth?

Zechariah 14:12 New Living Translation (NLT)
12 And the Lord will send a plague on all the nations that fought against Jerusalem. Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

Everything in Jerusalem gets destroy, not one stone standing on top of another from the prophecy of Zechariah 14:2. Now why else would Jesus tells readers to flee in Matthew 24:15-22? Now why else would Jesus compares Jerusalem to the days of Lot? The whole city and everyone in it gets destroy.

Matthew 24:21-22 King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Luke 17:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Douggg said:
Amos 9:8-10, Jeremiah 7:34 - both refer to judgement on Israel back at the time the second temple was destroyed because they grown corrupt, money and power hungry, idol worship, following false gods, heartless in dealing with the less fortunate, and departed from the ways of God.

Isaiah 64:9-11 is Isaiah's plead for God to restore them from the judgment they received.

It is not about saying that Jerusalem in the end times will be destroyed.

Well it doesn't seem like you're familiar with old testament prophecies. The last 17 books of the OT are prophetic centered on the second coming with less than 1% on the first coming. If you read those scriptures thoroughly in the entire chapter, you'll know they were NOT fulfilled during the first century.

Amos 9:8-12 New Living Translation (NLT)
8 “I, the Sovereign Lord,
am watching this sinful nation of Israel.
I will destroy it
from the face of the earth.
But I will never completely destroy the family of Israel,”
says the Lord.
9 “For I will give the command
and will shake Israel along with the other nations
as grain is shaken in a sieve,
yet not one true kernel will be lost.
10 But all the sinners will die by the sword—
all those who say, ‘Nothing bad will happen to us.’
says the Lord.
9 “For I will give the command
and will shake Israel along with the other nations
as grain is shaken in a sieve,
yet not one true kernel will be lost.
10 But all the sinners will die by the sword—
all those who say, ‘Nothing bad will happen to us.’
11 “In that day I will restore the fallen house of David.
I will repair its damaged walls.
From the ruins I will rebuild it
and restore its former glory.
12 And Israel will possess what is left of Edom
and all the nations I have called to be mine.”
The Lord has spoken,
and he will do these things.

After Jerusalem's destruction in the 1st century, God never immediately restore Israel and gave new land to the Jews. (Amos 9:11-12)

Jeremiah 7:34 New Living Translation (NLT)
I will put an end to the happy singing and laughter in the streets of Jerusalem. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard in the towns of Judah. The land will lie in complete desolation.

In 70AD, only Jerusalem was destroyed, not all of Israel and all her cities. The entire nation was not a complete desolation. (Jeremiah 7:34) But you can bet your bottom dollars all of Israel will be a complete desolation when the nuclear war hits the Middle East.

Isaiah 64:9-10 New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Don’t be so angry with us, Lord.
Please don’t remember our sins forever.
Look at us, we pray,
and see that we are all your people.
10 Your holy cities are destroyed.
Zion is a wilderness;
yes, Jerusalem is a desolate ruin.

In 70AD, only Jerusalem was destroyed, not all of Israel and all her cities. The entire nation was not a complete desolation. (Isaiah 64:9-11) But you can bet your bottom dollars all of Israel will be a complete desolation when the nuclear war hits the Middle East.

Seville90210 · Oct 8, 2018

Douggg said:
The Antichrist role - is being the perceived messiah and anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate). Thus, he will be in the role of being the leader of Israel who's responsibility will be to confirm the covenant.

Daniel 9:27 is something that will be fulfilled in the end times, 2500 years from Daniel.

Daniel, in Daniel 9, was praying about how his people had transgressed the law God gave through Moses, at Mt Sinai. That is the covenant being referred to in Daniel 9:27.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

So there is Moses right there in Daniel 9. It is the Mt. Sinai covenant being talked about. And the Jews, who are looking for the messiah, go by the Mt. Sinai covenant... i.e "the covenant".

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So you can go and research the law of Moses and see if it has anything about 7 years.

And Lo and behold ! It is right there in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

As they were about to cross over the Jordan and possess the promised land, Moses himself would not be allowed to go into the promised land.

So Moses on that day, made a requirement, so future generation would not forget all the children of Israel went through, and the reason they are living in Israel, of a big remembrance speech - which confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant that God gave the children of Israel the land of Israel as theirs forever.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
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I have talked to the Jews about this requirement made by Moses and asked if it has been done in recent times. They told me "no" because the big speech has to be done from the Temple Mount - which they consider the place of God's choosing. Well, the muslims are never going to allow that - that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews forever!

Following Gog/Magog, when the muslims are evacuated from the Temple Mount, it will be possible. And the prince coming from the EU, north and west of Israel, will be perceived, by the Jews, to be their long awaited messiah - and he will be anointed the King of Israel... making him the Antichrist.

And he will proceed to make the big speech confirming the Mt Sinai covenant, the same covenant Daniel was referring to in his prayer, for the 7 year cycle Moses set up. That same covenant laws of Moses also established the animal sacrifices - that will be stopped by the Antichrist, when he goes betrayal mode, in the midde of the 7 years.

It is not a peace treaty. I am pretty sure you are, by no fault of your own, a victim of long term bible prophecy uninformed teachings - which have merit, although wrong, based on "he shall destroy many by peace" in Daniel 8, linked to 1Thessalonians5, the peace and safety.

The peace and safety, though, of 1Thessalonians5 will be because the Jews will be thinking the person is their messiah and that that they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Not because they have entered a peace treaty.
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Now there may be some sort of peace treaty, like Trump's, that may set the Jews up for the living in peace right before Gog/Magog. We will see. To me, the Jews are already living in peace compared to what they came out of during WWII, but it is a tentative peace for sure.

But the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9 - will be the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

You have been conditioned by the bible prophecy teachers, from way back - that it is a peace treaty. Not so. They miss the point because they don't understand the role of the Antichrist... to be anointed King of Israel, perceived messiah... the crown he is given in Revelation 6, the rider on the white horse, by whom the 7 years in Revelation begin.

Douggg, the A/C is not Jewish. The OT bible addresses him as the Assyrian and as coming from the north. This alone completely refutes any possibility of a Jewish A/C. And I figured out your propaganda using the Sinai Covenant as an argument, you want him to be Jewish. Wasn't hard to figure out after reading your theories about Moses. Was kinda an easy giveaway.

I'm sorry Douggg, but here the A/C: Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the president of Turkey who's a Muslim that very much hates the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. There's also numerous prophecies about the A/C coming out of Turkey.

Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Douggg, the A/C is not Jewish

The person has to be a Jew to become the Antichrist.

When he is killed and finds himself in hell, in Isaiah 14, he is likened as an abominable branch. Jesus is considered the righteous branch of Jesse, David's father.

God in disdain for the person - because he is a Jew of all people - doesn't allow he to be buried, but brings him back to life. Because he will have destroyed his land and slain his people, when they reject him in his first bid to claim to be God in 2Thessalonians2:4. The person will be a Jew.

Isaiah 14:
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

The OT bible addresses him as the Assyrian and as coming from the north. This alone completely refutes any possibility of a Jewish A/C. And I figured out your propaganda using the Sinai Covenant as an argument, you want him to be Jewish. Wasn't hard to figure out after reading your theories about Moses. Was kinda an easy giveaway.

The role of the Assyrian is unclear imo. The Assyrian likely is the leader of Gog/Magog.

Propaganda? I am not antisemitic. Nor replacement theology.

BABerean2 · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Douggg, the A/C is not Jewish.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Impossible and virtually illogical. If the A/C and his army stays in Jerusalem for 42 months during the entire second half of the tribulation, how is he suppose to go out to conquer many nations the bible many times prophesied? He also has to go to Armageddon approximately 50 miles north of Jerusalem to fight his last battle. Armageddon is not fought at Jerusalem. He can't stay in Jerusalem the entire second half of the tribulation and fulfill all the prophecies about him in the bible.

Jerusalem very much does get destroy at the middle of the tribulation, during the AoD. Why would Jesus warn readers in Matthew 24:15-21 to flee if Jerusalem remains intact?

Occupying Jerusalem, doesn't mean the beast has to be there the whole time. The temple mount will be where the false prophet will center the worship of him.

At the end of the 7 years, in Daniel 11:40-45 when he is attacked from the south and then the north and then the east - there will be war raging all over the middle east. At the very end, he plants his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain - Zion which is Jerusalem - where he will make his stand against Jesus.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Armageddon is the gathering location of the world's armies - 50 miles north of Jerusalem as you say. But it is not where the beast and false prophet meet their end... which is at the temple mount in Jerusalem. Daniel 11:45._

The size of the armies gathered will spread the length of Israel, 200 miles.

Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

NeedyFollower · Oct 8, 2018

Seville90210 said:
That's kind of a yes and no answer. I'm pretty sure if you ask 100 people on this forum with a futurist view, they will all say yes too. It's because of tradition and I was one of them that use to believe that too up until a year ago when I realized an error. What got me started was when I noticed the blood stains on Jesus' robe in Isaiah 63:1-6 and Revelation 19:13.

But I'm not really interested in getting into a lengthy debate about when the second coming actually begins, so "yes" the a/c will sit in the temple and commit blasphemy at the middle of the 7 year tribulation. Before that is the "no" but
I'll leave out this part of the discussion except have a look at Revelation 19:13 and Isaiah 63:1-6 which shows Jesus was already on earth executing judgment - God's wrath - before Revelation 19. In short, Revelation 19 is the final stage of the second coming.

I have numerous other scriptures to support this but as I said, I'm not interested in any lengthy debate because it'll just shock a lot of people. However, I would like to hear other people's opinions who believes there will be a coming false messiah.

Yes .....I believe there is a false messiah for the enemy of the truth is subtle and if it were possible , even the very elect would be deceived ..in other words , nominal believers may not be the elect ...Here is a clue ...Saul , Saul ..why persecutest thou me ? Who are you Lord ? I am Jesus of Nazereth who thou persecutest ...Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it ....Know ye not the ye are the temple of the living God ? The living temple has a corner stone ..a true corner stone who sits on the right hand of the Father ...Jesus has a true body and a false body ....Humanism is when "man" sets himself up as God in the temple of God so that he himself is God ...secular humanism is dangerous ..Christian humanism is fatal for it can be completely orthodox while simultaneously apostate ...cloaked with a "form" of religion and traditions that go back 1300 years or more . The scribes who knew scriptures did not recognize Christ for they had been taught to look for something else ...Many will miss the anti-christ for they are similarly looking for "a" man as they have been taught .

Douggg · Oct 8, 2018

BABerean2 said:
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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Those verses tell a lot about the coming Antichrist. He will not be claiming to be Jesus.
He will be against that Jesus is God. He will question that Jesus existed.

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