You are thinking from a human pov. Apparently it was good enough for the Holy Spirit to infill a fetus and His is God.
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Pro-Life means sex creates souls?
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You are thinking from a human pov. Apparently it was good enough for the Holy Spirit to infill a fetus and His is God.
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You are thinking in cartoon Superman form rather than of Christ as a real human being. Both fully divine AND fully human.
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Nope' You should feel your baby's first movements, called "quickening," between weeks 16 and 25 of your pregnancy. This is the second trimester.
Whether it is 13 weeks or 6 months of leaping and the Holy Spirit abiding i thought you said a soul wouldnt want to be a fetus.
Who caused John to leap and why if he was just bones? Why was his mom filled with the HS?
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I am pointing out John being filled with the Holy Spirit in his mother's womb. Apparently it is good enough for the Holy Spirit to chill and move in a fetus.
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Quickening is a Biblical term, not scientific. And you're using it out of it's usual context:
†Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity;
quicken thou me in thy way.
Psalm 119:37
I used the wrong term. Human embryos are indistinguishable from chieck embryos.
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I stand corrected, fetuses begin moving at 18 weeks, however, they don't even have the brain activity of a mouse until 28 weeks when the 1st signs of REM dreaming brain activity appear.
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Baptism, We do this God does that. The power to bind and loose is a promise to respond faithfully to human acts. The Sacraments are like the creation of human souls in response to procreative acts.
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It still prevails. There is no accepted philosophical solution to the soul being created at conception. Waiting on science for some new find that will show that the one celled human zygote possesses the organization necessary to receive an intellect. I have a theory that involves self determination. That is inherent to rational creatures.
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The fact of Holy Ordained. The fact that a unique DNA is fabricated the moment of conception and the outcome will be a human. Not animal or rock, nor wind nor the sun or moon..., but a unique human being. The Bible is clear that the body is the vessel for the soul, the soul was before the body, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. But your thoughts don't seem to concentrate on the New Birth. That being, if you were born again you are a new creation. Do you know your worth? 1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: No, you would not have been born elsewhere to another. You Grandfather simply voiced the Holy Spirit so that others would know that you were worth something, but that you were to be born to your mother and raised by your Grandfather was a fact known by God before the universe was created. Get into the scripture with an open mind and heart and the desire to hear God's blessings in the word, not what you make up in your own mind.
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If your theory does not find scripture to support it, you might be thinking too much of self and not enough of Christ. What you are, who you are was known before creation. We can't make up anything new under the sun. That is were the Holy Spirit makes us unique. Seek not the understanding of self. That is what selfish means. Instead, seek and desire the understanding of Christ through the Holy Spirit. Do unto others, means get out and do. Don't sit contemplating what you think Christ meant for you. What He meant by the spilling of his Holy blood was for you and has been done. You don't have to earn it.
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Right, Sheol, "the grave". The realm of the dead.
Not depicted as vertical? A chasm is never vertical. It is a deep valley, a separation. (horizontal) In this context, two separate two different destinations in the afterlife. What happened while the individual was alive determined their fate. Not a single location full of individuals waiting for a judgment of works to determine their fate. Two places. One of torment, the other of comforting.
And I wasn't referring to verse 29.
Acts 2:27
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.
Acts 2:31
Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay.
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And the NT does contain some Hebrew words. A quick search yields these. I'm sure there are many more.
Revelation 9:11
They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
Revelation 16:16
Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
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That's an interesting question.
We certainly can grow as individuals in many ways over time. But does the soul actually "change" or "grow"? Obviously we change and grow physically. And it could be argued that we can change and grow spiritually. But what about the soul?
Just to be clear, I define the soul as our personal identity, who we are as a person, an individual soul. I'm not using the term to be synonymous with our human spirit. And in reference to salvation, it is our soul that is saved. Who we are as an individual, whether in a physical body or having departed in our spiritual body.
Everything we are talking about in this topic is a mystery. That is why it is a good topic for discussion. There are many points of view.
But back to the question.
I think that just as the physical body has a genetic code that is a fixed set determined at birth as a mesh of our parents DNA (determined as a random set of both dominant and recessive traits) that does not change as the physical body grows and changes, so our soul (individual self) is also a fixed identity. At birth you are given a name. Typically your name does not change as you change and grow over time. Your personality and interpersonal relationships may effect what you are called. A boy with the birth name of Andrew may be called Andy by those who know him, and Spike when he was an active toddler. But the individuality of the child is retained, and his given name is still Andrew.
But, does this indicate that the soul itself has changed and grown over time? Or is it fixed like DNA, and the changes have been in life experience? Perhaps our soul does change and grow over time, but our core identity remains. Interesting question.
I think that just as the physical body has a genetic code that is a fixed set determined at birth as a mesh of our parents DNA (determined as a random set of both dominant and recessive traits) that does not change as the physical body grows and changes, so our soul (individual self) is also a fixed identity. At birth you are given a name. Typically your name does not change as you change and grow over time. Your personality and interpersonal relationships may effect what you are called. A boy with the birth name of Andrew may be called Andy by those who know him, and Spike when he was an active toddler. But the individuality of the child is retained, and his given name is still Andrew.
But, does this indicate that the soul itself has changed and grown over time? Or is it fixed like DNA, and the changes have been in life experience? Perhaps our soul does change and grow over time, but our core identity remains. Interesting question.
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You were making a point about the human soul coming with the first breath. If you apply that to anyone but A&E, you are claiming that we do not have a soul at conception. What becomes of a still born ______ in your opinion? (fill in the blank - child/human/fetus/blob of tissue/undeveloped growth) Yes, that matters.
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Christ was not conceived by the sperm meeting with the egg. Joseph did not have sex with Mary at the incarnation of Christ, so this is a false assumption. Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. How that precisely worked we cannot know since it was a supernatural event.
Key words, we are made, created. We have not eternally existed as we are not the Creator. He is the only one who is "I AM". The soul is created/begins at the moment of conception by the power of God.
Referring to Strong's Concordance as a Hebraic lexicon is not the purpose of Strong's. And context defines the meaning of words.
How do you know this to be true? Especially the latter part of the this comment?
How do you know this to be true? You did not find this from the Bible.
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AAhh, thank you my brother in Christ. Not to worry, the theological solution is easy. The philosophical solution is sought because secular governments use philosophy to justify abortion laws.
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One thing to consider is that a great many pregnancies end in silent, spontaneous abortions, even before the woman is aware she is pregnant. In the real world, it's not such a nice, neat process. It's more like there are alot of rejects to actually come out with a healthy baby.
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