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Dave L said:

Most of what people believe about the end times today has no scriptural support. It comes from a theory based on what would happen if we insert a gap between Daniels' 69th and 70th weeks. And then they imagine a revived Roman empire to provide the same setting the original 70th week had. And then a 7-year tribulation to fill out the week. With "Antichrist" ruling instead of Jesus, who fulfilled the 70th week. A rebuilt temple and return to animal sacrifice, which Hebrews solidly condemns... and more. If anyone ever made a giant Rorschach Test of the scriptures, it is these folks.

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Out of the 70 /70s only 69 have been fullfilled.
The last one has not .
That one will be the 7 year tribulation which has not happen yet, but surely will.
God can pause His time table if He so chooses.
After all He is slow to anger and very merciful.
It is His will that all come to repentance and receive salvation.
Unfortunately all will not , but many more will due to this brief pause in God's time table of prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.

ItIsFinished! said:

Out of the 70 /70s only 69 have been fullfilled.
The last one has not .
That one will be the 7 year tribulation which has not happen yet, but surely will.
God can pause His time table if He so chooses.
After all He is slow to anger and very merciful.
It is His will that all come to repentance and receive salvation.
Unfortunately all will not , but many more will due to this brief pause in God's time table of prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.

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there is no gap.

ItIsFinished! said:

Out of the 70 /70s only 69 have been fullfilled.
The last one has not .

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Jesus disagrees.

Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

jgr said:

Jesus disagrees.

Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

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No where in that verse does Jesus disagree regarding the topic at hand.

Meester-Chung said:

there is no gap.

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Never said there was.
Just a pause.
Can you be less vague in your response as to why you state what you stated?

ItIsFinished! said:

No where in that verse does Jesus disagree regarding the topic at hand.

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Daniel's 70th week is written in the prophet Daniel concerning Christ. It is one of the "all things" which are fulfilled.

jgr said:

Daniel's 70th week is written in the prophet Daniel concerning Christ. It is one of the "all things" which are fulfilled.

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I understand that .
Only 69 of the 70's have been fulfilled.
The last one has not, yet.

ItIsFinished! said:

I understand that .
Only 69 of the 70's have been fulfilled.
The last one has not, yet.

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Jesus disagrees.

ItIsFinished! said:

Never said there was.
Just a pause.
Can you be less vague in your response as to why you state what you stated?

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there is no 2000+ year pause pause between the 69th and 70th week in Daniel 9 it is illogical. the messiah that is cut off is Jesus Christ who was crucified the prince that will invade the city is a Roman leader with his armies that destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. the abomination of desolation is Aeilia Capitolina

Futurism was invented by Jesuit Francisco Ribera that came up with the pause betweem the 69th and 70th week of Daniel 9 who also invented the Idea of the 7 year tribulation with a future AntiChrist desecrating a physical rebuilt 3rd temple in Jerusalem

Sabertooth said:

No doubt, but a thorough narrative constructed entirely of Biblical prophecies would, necessarily, require unconfirmed conjecture [read fiction] to fill in the gaps.

The reason that Jesus was rejected by so many at His FIRST Advent was that they were expecting a revolutionary Messiah (from their misreading of prophecy, and wishful thinking) rather than the sacrificial Lamb. It was anticlimactic, to say the least!

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I disagree that the Prophetic Word has gaps and requires conjecture to establish a continuous thread.
I have intensively studied the Prophesies and written many articles on what God has planned for our future. It all comes together in a coherent and logical narrative. Free at; logostelos.info

The main difficulty that most have is assigning the prophesies for Israel to the Jewish State of Israel. The Bible prophets always carefully separate Judah and Israel and they remain separate today. Judah, the Jewish people, who wrongly call their country Israel, have many specific prophesies of how God will deal with them in these end times.
But Israel is different, one of the best examples is Amos 2:4-5; for Judah and Amos 2:6-16 for Israel.
So the question is: Who is the true Israel? We know the answer; it is every born again Christian, the Lord's chosen people, 1 Peter 2:9-10, and those bought by His blood, Revelation 5:9-10.
THEY are the faithful Israel of God, Galatians 6:14-16, His Overcomers, literally: Israelites.
With that truth in mind, the prophesies make sense and we can know our destiny, how the Lord promises to save and Bless all who put their trust in Him.

Meester-Chung said:

there is no 2000+ year pause pause between the 69th and 70th week in Daniel 9 it is illogical. the messiah that is cut off is Jesus Christ who was crucified the prince that will invade the city is a Roman leader with his armies that destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. the abomination of desolation is Aeilia Capitolina

Futurism was invented by Jesuit Francisco Ribera that came up with the pause betweem the 69th and 70th week of Daniel 9 who also invented the Idea of the 7 year tribulation with a future AntiChrist desecrating a physical rebuilt 3rd temple in Jerusalem

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I never said a 2,000 year pause.

Dave L said:

$$$$ says you cannot produce one scripture saying there is a gap.

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I do not gamble and I never said there was a gap.
Not the wording I would use.
Do you believe there will be a 7 year tribulation?

Dave L said:

No scripture supports a 7 year tribulation. I was offering a big reward if you can produce even one scripture directly mentioning a gap between Daniel's 69th and 70 weeks..

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Let me ask you, what happen to the last week?

ItIsFinished! said:

I understand that .
Only 69 of the 70's have been fulfilled.
The last one has not, yet.

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Have you cut Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18 out of your Bible?

These three passages reveal that the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

If you want fiction, read anything written by the Dispensational Futurists.

Some of the posts here are a good example of that fiction.

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BABerean2 said:

Have you cut Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18 out of your Bible?

These three passages reveal that the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Please refrain from asking ridiculous questions because some one (many) do not agree with you.
Not cool.