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I said:
You were doing just fine until you added after the first one, "we are saved by believing in Christ".
That, I did.

There is an assumption in the above statement. That in the eye of the commentator that I am correct in one area and wrong in another.
No, there is no assumption in my statement. It is a fact. We are saved by believing in Christ. No further things to do.

And you haven't shown any.

I sincerely wish in a few sentences a walk with Christ can be summarised correctly. This propensity to judgement is damaging.
It seems to me that you are confusing how to get saved with "a walk with Christ". Why do you think they are one and the same?

What matters in love?
It seems you are also confusing/conflating love with how to get saved.

The truths we hold, the way we live, the love we share? At what point can someone call us out fairly and be right, or too soon and fall into the trap of judgementalism?
The Bible tells us to be discerning, not judgmental. And I discern a confusion in your posts.

For me I try and listen to peoples story and way of expressing everything, because I am often wrong and too hasty, and find the way they express their heart of Jesus different to mine, yet we are brothers and sisters in Christ.
We are brothers and sisters in Christ IF we both have been united IN Christ by the sealing with the Holy Spirit, on the basis of having believed.

Eph 1;1314-
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

So when someone wishes to correct me so quickly, and disown my heart and walk in Christ, I am saddened and fearful that the enemy is at work here.[/QUOT]
How does one "disown someone else's heart"? What I've done is note errors and made corrections. If you take that as having your heart disowned, then I believe you have a problem.

Simply put are we called to righteous walking, to walk as Jesus walked, to be Holy, pure, without fault or blemish?
Absolutely yes!! And this is spiritual growth, not being born again. I hope you see the difference. All who have been born again through faith in Christ are commanded to grow up in their faith. That's the only way to become Christ-like.

Yes like all children we might stumble and fall, need to pick ourselves up and walk on in faith and love, but are we called to these things?
Are you asking if we are called to stumble? Of course not. We are warned against it.

If not are we called therefore to sinful walking, to be part of the world and friends with those who hate God and His ways?
Of course not.

It strikes me this is a binary choice, reflected by the whole of scripture.
Of course every believer is faced with these choices, which Paul summarized quite clearly in Romans 6-
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Do you want to stand before the King of Kings and justify your compromises before Him on that day or humble yourself and become open to His Spirit and word to lead you into life and His ways?
Wow! Talk about "assumptions"! You are assuming that I am or have "justified my compromises", and even that I HAVE compromises, and all without a shred of evidence.

Hm. Kinda reminds me of the whole Kavanaugh debacle, where the far left presumes guilt simply on the basis of a flimsy allegation.

If you believe I have "compromises" and that I have "justified" any of them, it is your obligation to list them by quoting from my posts.

So, where is your evidence?
 
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I said:
"There are NO presuppositions in my theology. Just what the Bible SAYS."
Yes, I did say that.

God bless you.
Thank you. And may God bless you.

My view is simple, it is the direction we are walking in that matters, and listening to our Shepherd.
This is a description of one's spiritual walk, not how to get saved.

The problem in all our lives is ourselves and how our views distort us from what is really going on.
So I'm going to ask you again for evidence of my assumed distortions.

So I know we all live on presuppositions, which is the basis of our existence and how we face each day, the first one being for a believer is Jesus loves us.
It's more than a presupposition. In fact, it isn't one. It's a FACT. The Bible says so.

Are you aware of the difference between a supposition and a fact?

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good Rom 12:21
Excellent advice.

Do we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within who is greater than who is in the world or are we defeated vessels without hope?
OK, 2 questions.

To the first question, yes, of course. The Bible says so. 1 John 4:4

To the second question, it is surely possible for a believer to be a "defeated vessel", which would be based on the sad fact that they simply do not know what the Bible says. They have not been properly discipled by a grounded pastor.

However, no believer is "without hope". They may only think they are. But, then again, they simply don't know the Word of God.

Those who know the Word of God always have a confident expectation (hope) of the future.
 
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I said:

That, I did.


No, there is no assumption in my statement. It is a fact. We are saved by believing in Christ. No further things to do.

And you haven't shown any.


It seems to me that you are confusing how to get saved with "a walk with Christ". Why do you think they are one and the same?


It seems you are also confusing/conflating love with how to get saved.


The Bible tells us to be discerning, not judgmental. And I discern a confusion in your posts.


We are brothers and sisters in Christ IF we both have been united IN Christ by the sealing with the Holy Spirit, on the basis of having believed.

Eph 1;1314-
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Hi FreeGrace2,

I wish I was confused. Let me translate what you are saying.
Your world view defines truth. I do not match your world view so I must be confused.

Unless you can see things from my position and know why I express myself as
I do, how can you suggest I am confused? I am very clear how and why I believe
as I do.

I stand before Jesus, and share my heart. If you think I am confused when I hold
basic simple traditional views of theology and faith, it suggests to me you believe
in something else.

I am happy to learn your view and way of looking at the world, as long as you
respect why and how I hold mine. Without this you are just dictating a world
view, which for me is not the way of Jesus. A righteous walk is the way of God.

God bless you.
 
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I was taught that if you believe your works will save you, you are not saved even if you believe that Jesus existed and that he is lord.

The reason I got was that they didn't have faith in him, that he alone saves. They didn't believe his death on the cross was sufficient for salvation basically.

So is this true that Faith+Works=Salvation theory damns someone? But they believed, this topic gets really confusing.

So someone has to strictly believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day to be saved, anything else added damns them like if they add works in order to be saved aswell?

I'm not sure how this makes sense.

Paul said that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Do we deserve salvation? Absolutely not. We deserve just the opposite: "For the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). No one could be good enough to demand salvation. But that doesn't matter, because God is giving it to us anyway—for free! Paul also said, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8). And lest someone question whether Paul really meant that our good deeds don't earn us eternal life, he added, "Not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Ephesians 2:9).

Striving to be good is one of the effects of knowing that you're saved. God's Spirit coming into a person's life inevitably produces the fruit of a good character. We may never become quite perfect (for temptation is always there), but our lives will trend in the direction of "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" (Galatians 5:22,23). Those who are defiant of God, who neither know nor trust Him, have little interest in doing His will. But God s plan for those who do love Him is pretty clear: "We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10).

It is Christs good works, His works in the believer through the Holy Spirit .... not ours.

1 Corinthians 6:19

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

God Bless.
 
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Hi FreeGrace2,

I wish I was confused.
Not something to wish for.

Let me translate what you are saying.
Oh, you mean put words in my mouth? No thanks.

Your world view defines truth.
The Bible defines truth, which is Jesus Christ. John 14:6. And my world view is formed from the biblical view.

I do not match your world view so I must be confused.
Ok.

Unless you can see things from my position and know why I express myself as
I do, how can you suggest I am confused?
When sentences don't make sense, that's a big clue.

I am very clear how and why I believe as I do.
Of course you think so. Everyone thinks they are clear about what they believe.

I stand before Jesus, and share my heart. If you think I am confused when I hold basic simple traditional views of theology and faith, it suggests to me you believe
in something else.
Traditional from what perspective? I don't believe from the biblical perspective, as I've been explaining.

Are you understanding anything I have posted about your views? Or do you just gloss over them in order to make your own points?

I am happy to learn your view and way of looking at the world, as long as you
respect why and how I hold mine.
I've not disrespected your view. You are entitled to hold any view you desire. But I compare every view against what the Bible says. So when someone's view doesn't line up with Scripture, I point that out.

Without this you are just dictating a world
view, which for me is not the way of Jesus. A righteous walk is the way of God.

God bless you.
I "dictate" nothing. I offer the truth that the Bible speaks of.

If you don't understand something I post, then just ask and I'll try to rephrase to make it more clear.

Just remember our discussion began with your taking umbrage with my comment about your statement about how to be saved, when you added 2 things that are not biblical.

You never supported your claim with Scripture. Can you?
 
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Not something to wish for.
Oh, you mean put words in my mouth? No thanks.
The Bible defines truth, which is Jesus Christ. John 14:6. And my world view is formed from the biblical view.
Ok.
When sentences don't make sense, that's a big clue.
Of course you think so. Everyone thinks they are clear about what they believe.
Traditional from what perspective? I don't believe from the biblical perspective, as I've been explaining.
Are you understanding anything I have posted about your views? Or do you just gloss over them in order to make your own points?
I've not disrespected your view. You are entitled to hold any view you desire. But I compare every view against what the Bible says. So when someone's view doesn't line up with Scripture, I point that out.
I "dictate" nothing. I offer the truth that the Bible speaks of.
If you don't understand something I post, then just ask and I'll try to rephrase to make it more clear.
Just remember our discussion began with your taking umbrage with my comment about your statement about how to be saved, when you added 2 things that are not biblical.
You never supported your claim with Scripture. Can you?

Hi FreeGrace2,

Every faith position has its own perspective and assumptions. The only way
we can know whether our positions work with reference to God and the truth
is to walk righteously before God. Peter puts it like this

You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. 2 Peter 3:11-12

The unfortunate thing about scripture, is we tend to bend it to our whims.
Only by walk in purity and holiness with a clean conscience can we see the
Lords will
 
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Hi FreeGrace2,

Every faith position has its own perspective and assumptions.
Of course. Except the Christian faith. There are no "assumptions" in the Bible.

The only way we can know whether our positions work with reference to God and the truth is to walk righteously before God.
Are you aware that every believer has a choice as to which power source to plug into in order to live their life?

So, which power source do you plug into?
1. your own will power
2. the Holy Spirit

Now, if you say #2, can you explain specifically how you plug into that source?

Peter puts it like this

You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. 2 Peter 3:11-12
OK, how do you live hoy and godly lives? Specifically.

The unfortunate thing about scripture, is we tend to bend it to our whims.
There is nothing "unfortunate" about Scripture.

But, when people tend to bend it to their own whims, that is unfortunate.

Only by walk in purity and holiness with a clean conscience can we see the
Lords will
Specifically explain how one walks in purity and holiness with a clean conscience.

Can you do that?
 
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Hi FreeGrace2,

I have met people who interact like you do in the past. A few words shared of faith and I am confused in need of correction etc. It is this behaviour that speaks to me of a sensitivity which is not biblical.

Jonah preached to Nineveh. He preached repent or judgement is coming. They repented.
Revelations is full of testimony to how God will send judgements, and the people will refuse to repent. The lost know they sin, but refuse to resolve the issues. Christ comes with the solution, no longer through being a Jew and have to sacrifice animals in the temple but through faith in Him and apply love and forgiveness through repentance to our hearts.

This bring consistency in the message of holiness and purity from old testament through to the new. In the new the Kingdom of God has come to earth in His people through the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. Put simply through being cleansed we are made holy and in our holy walk we remain holy and pure. If we stumble, we repent and resolve the issues and walk on.

The principle is of building our house upon the rock of Christ and walking in obedience. This is the walk of discipleship and sanctification.

Some appear to hate these truths, and wish to create a different faith, but the realities of holiness and purity remain the same. Listen to Jesus,

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
John 3:19-21

If anyone has this light within them, there dwells God.
 
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Hi FreeGrace2,

I have met people who interact like you do in the past. A few words shared of faith and I am confused in need of correction etc. It is this behaviour that speaks to me of a sensitivity which is not biblical.
I am sensitive to biblical truth. Again, I remind you of our initial interaction.

"Just remember our discussion began with your taking umbrage with my comment about your statement about how to be saved, when you added 2 things that are not biblical."

This bring consistency in the message of holiness and purity from old testament through to the new. In the new the Kingdom of God has come to earth in His people through the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. Put simply through being cleansed we are made holy and in our holy walk we remain holy and pure. If we stumble, we repent and resolve the issues and walk on.
Could you explain how we are "being cleansed" specifically? Yes, the Bible does speak of that, but can you cite a verse that tells us how?

The principle is of building our house upon the rock of Christ and walking in obedience. This is the walk of discipleship and sanctification.
Yes, this is about spiritual growth. Our initial interaction was regarding how to be saved, in which you added 2 things that are NOT involved in getting saved.
 
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Hi Free,

Let me be very simple. Spiritual experiences and walking with the Lord is very personal.
Each believer has their own walk and revelation. What is obvious speaking to many is
some are happy to reinterpret peoples personal perspectives, condemn and destroy their
spiritual standing without any regard.

You know scripture very well and have your views. I am not here to tell you simple
issues that are foundational to following Christ.

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
James 5:16

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.
Luke 9:23-24

Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32-33

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:40

This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him
Matt 17:5

We are called to deny ourselves, to confess Christ, to confess our sins and walk in faith.
We are called to listen to Jesus and obey Him.
 
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Hi Free,

Let me be very simple. Spiritual experiences and walking with the Lord is very personal.
I don't disagree.

ach believer has their own walk and revelation. What is obvious speaking to many is some are happy to reinterpret peoples personal perspectives, condemn and destroy their spiritual standing without any regard.
Why do you think I have either destroyed or tried to destroy your "spiritual standing"?

I merely corrected a misstatement. But it seems you are not open to correction.

You know scripture very well and have your views.
Because I know Scripture very well. :)

I am not here to tell you simple issues that are foundational to following Christ.
What are you here for, then?

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
James 5:16

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.
Luke 9:23-24

Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32-33

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:40

This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him
Matt 17:5

We are called to deny ourselves, to confess Christ, to confess our sins and walk in faith.
We are called to listen to Jesus and obey Him.
I agree with all this. Yet, none of these verses are how to get saved, except John 6:40.

In order to have eternal life (be saved) we must believe in the Son.
 
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I don't disagree.


Why do you think I have either destroyed or tried to destroy your "spiritual standing"?

I merely corrected a misstatement. But it seems you are not open to correction.


Because I know Scripture very well. :)


What are you here for, then?


I agree with all this. Yet, none of these verses are how to get saved, except John 6:40.

In order to have eternal life (be saved) we must believe in the Son.
"In order to have eternal life (be saved) we must believe in the Son."
Believe what in the Son?
Believe is a word into which much can be read.
Believing in something, has implications, some of which result in behaviour,
hearing, trust, relationship, change, development.
The Son is a positional statement, but many have different views on what this
position and role actually is.

So one can say these words and mean very different things.
I am cautious to know what people mean before I respond.
You seem no reticence. You share this with many who I do not
want to interact with, because they have cold closed hearts, carrying much
hurt and anger from their past which is unresolved.
The problem is, one becomes the victim of this past, with no way of resolution.
I would hope this is not you, but then I am always open to asking
 
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As a comment,
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:40

If one has knowledge of Jesus, this verse describes exactly how you get saved.
1. You look to the Son
2. You believe in Him

God is summarising repentance, confession, faith, love etc. into one sentence.
But those who do not see this, obviously this is not true for them, because they
must be seeing and reading another meaning.....
 
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"In order to have eternal life (be saved) we must believe in the Son."
Believe what in the Son?
Great question! Same as "what is saving faith?"

Saving faith requires 2 aspects:
Object: Jesus Christ
Goal: salvation from hell

Now, there are 3 things that must be believed in order to be saved:

1. who is Jesus Christ? He's the Son of God (Deity)
2. what did He do for us? He died on the cross for our sins
3. why did He do that? So that He could save those who believe in Him for salvation

If ANY of the 2 aspects aren't met, or any of the 3 things, then one does NOT have saving faith.

Believe is a word into which much can be read.
People read a lot of things into things. Doesn't make any of it real.

Believing in something, has implications, some of which result in behaviour,
hearing, trust, relationship, change, development.
See above for what saving faith is.

The Son is a positional statement
How so? "The Son" isn't even a statement. The words ARE a Person. Not a statement.

but many have different views on what this position and role actually is.
Again, "The Son" isn't a statement but a Person.

So one can say these words and mean very different things.
The Bible has only one meaning.

I am cautious to know what people mean before I respond.
You seem no reticence.
Because I have no reticence.
 
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As a comment,
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:40

If one has knowledge of Jesus, this verse describes exactly how you get saved.
1. You look to the Son
2. You believe in Him
From your last post, what is one supposed to believe about Him to be saved?

God is summarising repentance, confession, faith, love etc. into one sentence.
Which sentence in the Bible does this?
 
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Great question! Same as "what is saving faith?"

Saving faith requires 2 aspects:
Object: Jesus Christ
Goal: salvation from hell

Now, there are 3 things that must be believed in order to be saved:

1. who is Jesus Christ? He's the Son of God (Deity)
2. what did He do for us? He died on the cross for our sins
3. why did He do that? So that He could save those who believe in Him for salvation

If ANY of the 2 aspects aren't met, or any of the 3 things, then one does NOT have saving faith.


People read a lot of things into things. Doesn't make any of it real.


See above for what saving faith is.


How so? "The Son" isn't even a statement. The words ARE a Person. Not a statement.


Again, "The Son" isn't a statement but a Person.


The Bible has only one meaning.


Because I have no reticence.

Jesus is the Son of God - again this means different things to different people.
Jesus dying for our sins, does not mean we are saved.
Believing in Jesus to save us from what?

Imagine I say a few words, feel elated, am I then saved?
I have a few ideas, have I arrived, passing from death to life.

We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14

So passing from death to life is shown by us loving our brothers.
Not loving means we are not saved, ie remains in death.

For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Colossians 3:3-5

We have died. Jesus is our life. We have put to death our earthly nature.
Things appear not a simple as your attempt at summaried faith and walk.

I am reminded of someone trying to tell me all I needed was Jesus.
The bible is a big book, and if God gave it all, we need it all. It is simply
not simple...... but the start is do you want to follow and listen to Jesus.
When believers claim Jesus's words should be dismissed, I know they are
wrong, because Jesus's words are eternal.

Are you worried that you might have missed something?
I am because I know God has no favourtism

the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
james 3:17

Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.
Colossians 3:25
 
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The bible has only one meaning

This sentence means what? Every statement has a single outcome or understanding.
I find this an unusual statement. I hope you know Jesus and His parables. The reason why parables have power is because their meaning is so varied and complex they may actually be infinite. Jesus said His words are eternal, He being the eternal word of God. So I am sure He means they have significance even in heaven and in the age to come.

What is stunning about the prophets and Psalms, is a passage can be applied to a historical situation and also apply to Jesus and other things. So I would not use the singular definition of meaning.

In my humanity I often think, why did God not do this...... I then realise I am mortal and very limited, so in time I will learn why things are as they are and like most of what I have learnt it is much more involved than I could ever imagine.

May you walk in His ways and have His blessing in your Life.
 
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Jesus is the Son of God - again this means different things to different people.
It shouldn't.

Jesus dying for our sins, does not mean we are saved.
Correct.

Believing in Jesus to save us from what?
The lake of fire. Rev 20:15

Imagine I say a few words, feel elated, am I then saved?
Nope.

I have a few ideas, have I arrived, passing from death to life.
Nope. Those who want to pass from death to life should read John 5:24.

We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14
Nope. 1 Jn 3:14 refers to loss of fellowship with the Lord, thus, their fellowship has died. This requires discernment because believers HAVE eternal life and cannot lose it, per John 10:28.

So passing from death to life is shown by us loving our brothers.
While it does demonstrate this, loving our brothers isn't the way to pass from death to life.

Not loving means we are not saved, ie remains in death.
No it doesn't. One either believes what Jesus said about eternal security in John 10:28 or they don't believe what He said.

For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Colossians 3:3-5

We have died. Jesus is our life. We have put to death our earthly nature.
Things appear not a simple as your attempt at summaried faith and walk.

I am reminded of someone trying to tell me all I needed was Jesus.
The bible is a big book, and if God gave it all, we need it all. It is simply
not simple...... but the start is do you want to follow and listen to Jesus.
When believers claim Jesus's words should be dismissed, I know they are
wrong, because Jesus's words are eternal.

Are you worried that you might have missed something?
I am because I know God has no favourtism

the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
james 3:17

Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.
Colossians 3:25
And none of this leads to the conclusion that salvation can be lost.
 
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We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 John 4:8

No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 John 4:12

Love is the core issue to do with God and to do with us. To the hurt, defended, in denial, closed off, protected, certain of things which make them safe against the evil world, this love is a utopian dream, of sugar coated deception.

But Jesus's love is the cross, is openness and vulnerability, is sharing despite loss, is empathy and giving, is a heart flowing with life and abundance. So to those who cling to life and desire to stay as they are with a religious belief that will save them Jesus says this

For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.
Mark 8:35

To know where we are inside ourselves is hard, harder still if we are defended and protected and no one really knows us behind the masks. Listen to Jesus and humble yourself before the cross to die to sin and defence of all one has obtained and ask Jesus to come and give you life.

It is here eternity begins.
 
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