Sir, there is no way anybody should be confused. Being Rhetorical is very common in apologetic talk. Your comprehension or just your refusal to really think of what I am saying is to blame.
Not really, in your view there was more then one person that did not understand what you were talking about so in order to avoid confusion don't you think you are better off speaking plainly so people can understand what it is your talking about in order to avoid misunderstandings?
Why would you think it's in relation to what I believe? Are you new to these kinds of discussions? I see you are putting verses but why can't you get to the actual point.
I have answered your questions and provided God's WORD in support. Maybe you did not like the answers given?
You are not showing anything in scripture confirming Gen-Rev as the true canon yet you reference them and give verses that talk about faith.
Your only repeating yourself now. You were provided God's WORD [sola scriptura] as to why it is I believe God's WORD is the bible *
HEBREWS 11:1;
ROMANS 14:23 and that it is a practice of faith. God's WORD teaches that tradition becomes bad when it leads people away from God's WORD to break the commandments of God.
COLOSSIANS 2:8, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the
tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness *
2 TIMOTHY 3:16. By faith we believe that God is in control of his WORD and just as he inspired men of old times to give us his WORD, by faith we believe that God inspired people through his Spirit to do the will of God in porviding the world the written Word of God (the bible).
As stated earlier many times now, there is nothing wrong with tradition if it does not lead anyone away from God's WORD to break his commandments. God's WORD teaches that tradition only becomes bad when it leads people away from God's WORD to break the commandments of God to go against his Word. Your entire premise to your question is that God is not in control because there is no scripture for the 66 books of the bible. Yet you fail to understand the scriptures that teach God is in control of his WORD and it is be faith we must believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God.
ROMANS 3:4 God forbid: yes,
let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.
ACT 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.
MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them,
Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying,
Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free.
Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8],
This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But
in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Now this is God's WORD not mine and I believe it. Do you believe that we are to obey the WORD of GOD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God?
If you are just going to tell me that you have faith then you are already destroying your entire case here because at the end of the day, your faith in these books is not confirmed in scripture, therefore by your logic you should not believe in it.
Not at all, I have provided scripture for my belief demonstrating faith and obedience to believing and following God's WORD over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. You have provided no scripture and only your words over God's WORD. You have not made a case for your view accept to state that because there is no scripture that says what books should be in the bible how do you know they are the right books of the bible.
Your premise is that God is not in control of his WORD yet the scriptures teach that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen *HEBREWS 11:1 and that God's Spirit inspire those who follow him to do his will as they have faith in his WORD *HEBREWS Chapter 11. You may not see it but God is in control of his WORD and this is the very reason we have it available today in every country and in every language of the world.
Do you not believe that God leads people through his Spirit to do his will? *1 CORINTHIANS 15:58; MATTHEW 28:20; JOHN 14:26; JOSHUA 1:9; 2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17; DEUTERONOMY 32:12; JOSHUA 24:2-3; ACTS 7:36; PSALMS 23:1-3; PSALMS 78:52-54; ISAIAH 40:11; HOSEA 11:3-4; HEBREWS 11 etc. All these scripture teach that God is in control of his people and his WORD our part is to believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; COLOSSIANS 2:8.
Lets take a look at your arguments in this thread and the other thread about Christmas. You deem these as wrong because the Bible doesn't "mention" these therefore it is all following of tradition rather than any scriptural basis.
Let's pull you up right here. Please show me where I have ever said in this thread or any where in this forum that as you say...
"You deem these as wrong because the Bible doesn't "mention" these therefore it is all following of tradition rather than any scriptural basis."
Now if I have never said the above or claimed the above then you have no argument now have you? If I have never said or cliamed the above why are you claiming that this is what I have ever said? Your whole argument has now fallen down has it not? If your argument has fallen down then you have nothing to argue about except to believe and follow the Word of God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
But these verses do not condemn the traditions that God taught his apostles. There are traditions made from man but there are also traditions made by men of God. Traditions such as worshiping on the day Jesus resurrected; keeping in memory of the last super, Pentecost, and whatever it is the early christians did that isn't found in scripture but through christian history isn't wrong nor leading God astray. Also, Sola Scriptura has broken christianity more than Apostolic tradition, just look at how many denominations of protestants are now each claiming their views of scripture is correct. You being an SDA is being biblically debated with against Non denom to Lutheran.
In your view here you are making are mixing up tradition and history with scripture. The whole meaning of the scriptures as shown already in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and COLOSSIANS 2:8 is that tradition is only bad when it leads others away from God's WORD to break the commandments of God. In this case God's WORD does indeed condemn these traditions and as Peter says we ought to obey God rather then men. The dsiciples met on every day of the week *ACTS 2:46-47.
Of couse Pentecost is in the bible. *ACTS 2:1; 20:16; 1 CORINTHIANS 16:8. If you go back and read the Old Testament, you will discover that Pentecost was one of the Jewish feast days. Only they didn't call it Pentecost. That's the Greek name. The Jews called it the Feast of Harvest or the Feast of Weeks. It is mentioned five places in the first five books—in Exodus 23, Exodus 24, Leviticus 16, Numbers 28, and Deuteronomy 16. It was the celebration of the beginning of the early weeks of harvest. It was a shadow feastival pointing to the harves of souls in the everlasting Gospel in the NEW TESTAMENT. The Lord's supper is also in God's WORD *MATTHEW 26:26-28; 1 CORINTHIANS 11:24-29. Now, lease show me one scripture that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? This is a man made teaching and tradition of men passed down by the Romand Catholic Church that has lead many to break the commandments of God.
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CONFESSIONS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
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The rest of your post is only repitition that has already been addressed here and elsewhere.
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
Hope this is helpful.
