Yes, this has been fascinating reading.This is a fascinating topic with ample scriptural support.
You are describing the most common variations on the doctrine of creationism of souls. I assert that this reduces God to nothing more than an automation. You press the button and God automatically responds. I see nothing else in the Bible that portrays God in such a weak and impotent manner.A human being has a physical/biological nature and a spiritual nature/soul. The sexual act brings the biological nature of a new human being into existence, while God Himself provides the spiritual nature/soul. Which is why the formation of a new human being is a cooperative act between human beings and God, whether the humans are aware of that fact or not. Without God's interaction, humans beings would just be smart animals, nothing more.
Not interested. I didn't see this in you before.Atheists believe that existence begins at conception too. Why do you bring up science when I ask about souls and spirits? What does science know about that?
Then why does one's nephesh (soul) go to Sheol after death in the Old Testament?
None of your verses even address the subject of spirit, and you clearly don't understand the original languages. In Hebrew, the spirit (ruach) is the breath of life, while in Greek the soul (psyche) is the breath of life. As soon as someone starts using the word "breath" to describe the soul or spirit without being aware of this distinction, automatically reduces their credibility in my mind.
Simplistic theological deduction, and then I discovered it is what Jews believed. Jesus was a Jew after all.
Judaism is not a cult. Jesus was never a member of a cult! LOL Blind faith in something you can't accurately describe even the most orthodox aspects of, is significantly more cultish.
Thanks for the sermon. None of that address my question at all.
The reference to a secret is a *place* not knowledge. There is no secret knowledge in understanding that omniPotence includes creating souls and spirits whenever he wants. You are trying to put constraints on God and are contradicting his omnipotence.Your response makes no sense, what are you trying to say? What does omnipotence have to do with what the psalmist (a person) said?
Because God created the universe in an order, and one of those is that when a man and a woman have sex, they will form a baby.You are describing the most common variations on the doctrine of creationism of souls. I assert that this reduces God to nothing more than an automation. You press the button and God automatically responds. I see nothing else in the Bible that portrays God in such a weak and impotent manner.
You are describing the most common variations on the doctrine of creationism of souls. I assert that this reduces God to nothing more than an automation. You press the button and God automatically responds. I see nothing else in the Bible that portrays God in such a weak and impotent manner.
The reference to a secret is a *place* not knowledge. There is no secret knowledge in understanding that omniPotence includes creating souls and spirits whenever he wants. You are trying to put constraints on God and are contradicting his omnipotence.
And many are , if the Holy Spirit is not at work in them .A human being has a physical/biological nature and a spiritual nature/soul. The sexual act brings the biological nature of a new human being into existence, while God Himself provides the spiritual nature/soul. Which is why the formation of a new human being is a cooperative act between human beings and God, whether the humans are aware of that fact or not. Without God's interaction, humans beings would just be smart animals, nothing more.
That is the classic philosophical "Question of Evil" and why God allows it. I've never had this debate with a Christian before, so I have exclusively used scientific analogies in the past, especially evolution, which might not go over so well here! lolI could say God is also weak because he doesn't want people to sin but he doesn't do anything to stop it.
You are presuming that God has no control over whether or not conception occurs.My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body.
Psalm 139:15
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
Don't spirits and souls exist before conception? Why would two people having sex, force God's hand to automatically pop out a soul & spirit? That seems to me to go against divine omniPotence.
I assert your view reduces man "made in the image of God" to nothing. Your view of reproduction puts man in the same power and authority as animals.I assert that this reduces God to nothing more than an automation. You press the button and God automatically responds. I see nothing else in the Bible that portrays God in such a weak and impotent manner.
Souls are the life of the flesh. In order for one to realize the full salvation of God, one must become born again.My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body.
Psalm 139:15
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
Don't spirits and souls exist before conception? Why would two people having sex, force God's hand to automatically pop out a soul & spirit? That seems to me to go against divine omniPotence.
That is the classic philosophical "Question of Evil" and why God allows it. I've never had this debate with a Christian before, so I have exclusively used scientific analogies in the past, especially evolution, which might not go over so well here! lol
I'll give it some thought but here's off the top of my head QoE for Christians: It's like friction and Newton's 2nd law of motion (in plain speak it means you have to push off of something to move). Spiritual maturation requires adversity. Without anguish, joy would have no meaning to us. We would take it for granted. If things are too spiritually easy people will NEVER consider the hard moral and ethical question involved in the battlefield of the soul. We have to have something to push off of or it's like we're stuck on the ice wearing slippers. Without evil, there would be no contrast to good, nothing pointing the way to good.
I understand that this is a view that we could have. The problem is that most, well maybe not most, times people, these days, are having sex.... creating another life is the furthest thing from their minds and totally unwanted.Why should two people having sex not think that the responsibility of a baby could be an outcome of their self-centered desire to have sex?
I don't know if there is any scripture that talks about when a soul is created. If they exist before conception or if they are created at the point of conception, which is the very moment a life is created... a human life..My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body.
Psalm 139:15
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
Don't spirits and souls exist before conception? Why would two people having sex, force God's hand to automatically pop out a soul & spirit? That seems to me to go against divine omniPotence.
Only in cases of medical issues or monthly timing. For the vast majority, sex during ovulation automatically leads to pregnancy.
WOW... how did you get there?So then it was God's fault and not Charles Manson's? You would make a terrible defense lawyer for God.
My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body.
Psalm 139:15
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
Don't spirits and souls exist before conception? Why would two people having sex, force God's hand to automatically pop out a soul & spirit? That seems to me to go against divine omniPotence.