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While I have serious disagreements with some SDA doctrine (i.e. sabbath days are any day that happen to be a sabbath, not just a feast day), I have to say that it is nice to have an SDA on this site that can actually hold a *discussion* rather than just making programmed responses to everything that's said.

And there is no way we are work based. We do, believe in keeping the 10 commandments, as do most churches. Even Billy Graham believed that---or do you believe that you can enter into the presence of God breaking them, and being unrepentant?

The argument isn't whether or not someone can break the 10 commandments, but that we have a different "yardstick" now in the Holy Spirit. The 10 commandments was part of the Mosaic covenant made with the Israelites at Sinai. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of that law and the gift of the Holy Spirit (in our hearts) makes the stone tablets obsolete, at least for Christians who have the Spirit. The Spirit is an "upgrade" so to speak.

If it was a sin to break the seventh day sabbath, the Spirit would convict people concerning it, but the Spirit has been silent about it as the seventh day sabbath is the sign of the Mosaic covenant like circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. The signs of the new covenant are baptism and the Lord's supper and Jesus himself is our rest.

While it can be very beneficial to practice a day of sabbath, we are not condemned for *not* doing so because we are not under that covenant and never have been if not Jewish.
 
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Our doctrines are all bible based. Our health message we did get from her. But even most of those are bible based.

I guess I better bone up on my "sheep stealing"---my best friend for 30 years is still Catholic, and it took 28 years for my own husband to give his heart to the Lord--on his deathbed. I am apparently, a really lousy thief! We do not, nor can anyone, make someone dissatisfied with their church. If they are dissatisfied, they were that way to begin with! What do you think we do---hypnotize them? Perhaps you could give me a few pointers on sheep stealing. I'm not doing very well.
And there is no way we are work based. We do, believe in keeping the 10 commandments, as do most churches. Even Billy Graham believed that---or do you believe that you can enter into the presence of God breaking them, and being unrepentant?
Hyperbola rules.
Overstatements and over-reactions.
The kernel of truth in in the exaggerated-2-make-a-point phrase "sheep stealing" is that ANY group (accuser's group too) will intrinsically include an aspect of recruitment. It isn't good or bad, it's just the basic math of identity, identification, organization and the like.
Being different, distinguishing ourselves from the 'herd' is also routine.
I have basic problems most people don't relate to that help give me pause about joining groups.
Quirky stuff like steeples and institutionalized authority, etc. Novelty items in most people's minds.
 
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While I have serious disagreements with some SDA doctrine (i.e. sabbath days are any day that happen to be a sabbath, not just a feast day), I have to say that it is nice to have an SDA on this site that can actually hold a *discussion* rather than just making programmed responses to everything that's said.



The argument isn't whether or not someone can break the 10 commandments, but that we have a different "yardstick" now in the Holy Spirit. The 10 commandments was part of the Mosaic covenant made with the Israelites at Sinai. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of that law and the gift of the Holy Spirit (in our hearts) makes the stone tablets obsolete, at least for Christians who have the Spirit. The Spirit is an "upgrade" so to speak.

If it was a sin to break the seventh day sabbath, the Spirit would convict people concerning it, but the Spirit has been silent about it as the seventh day sabbath is the sign of the Mosaic covenant like circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. The signs of the new covenant are baptism and the Lord's supper and Jesus himself is our rest.

While it can be very beneficial to practice a day of sabbath, we are not condemned for *not* doing so because we are not under that covenant and never have been if not Jewish.
Mhm.
I remember getting a huge "conviction" about it as a youngster, but I also remember it being tempered with a realization my reaction was of the flesh.
And the move to Sunday worship as I remember looked authoritarian rather than inspired.
But then I'm like the JWs when it comes to birthdays & holidays so you can't really take me anywhere, lol
 
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Our doctrines are all bible based. Our health message we did get from her. But even most of those are bible based.

I guess I better bone up on my "sheep stealing"---my best friend for 30 years is still Catholic, and it took 28 years for my own husband to give his heart to the Lord--on his deathbed. I am apparently, a really lousy thief! We do not, nor can anyone, make someone dissatisfied with their church. If they are dissatisfied, they were that way to begin with! What do you think we do---hypnotize them? Perhaps you could give me a few pointers on sheep stealing. I'm not doing very well.
And there is no way we are work based. We do, believe in keeping the 10 commandments, as do most churches. Even Billy Graham believed that---or do you believe that you can enter into the presence of God breaking them, and being unrepentant?
While I appreciate you speaking from your own life, I do feel it’s a little disingenuous to present that SDA doesn’t steal sheep based only on your own experience.

IMHO every Old Covenant based denom tries to steal sheep from grace based denom s using the letter of the Law to show grace is ineffective to pleasing God.

You’ve been doing it in this thread.
 
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If it was a sin to break the seventh day sabbath, the Spirit would convict people concerning it, but the Spirit has been silent about it as the seventh day sabbath.
Amen!

The Holy Spirit is not convicting us. The Spirit of Truth!

Enough said.
 
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While I have serious disagreements with some SDA doctrine (i.e. sabbath days are any day that happen to be a sabbath, not just a feast day), I have to say that it is nice to have an SDA on this site that can actually hold a *discussion* rather than just making programmed responses to everything that's said.



The argument isn't whether or not someone can break the 10 commandments, but that we have a different "yardstick" now in the Holy Spirit. The 10 commandments was part of the Mosaic covenant made with the Israelites at Sinai. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of that law and the gift of the Holy Spirit (in our hearts) makes the stone tablets obsolete, at least for Christians who have the Spirit. The Spirit is an "upgrade" so to speak.

If it was a sin to break the seventh day sabbath, the Spirit would convict people concerning it, but the Spirit has been silent about it as the seventh day sabbath is the sign of the Mosaic covenant like circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. The signs of the new covenant are baptism and the Lord's supper and Jesus himself is our rest.

While it can be very beneficial to practice a day of sabbath, we are not condemned for *not* doing so because we are not under that covenant and never have been if not Jewish.

It is not until the Spirit convicts that it then becomes sin. Said that before. The problem lies with those that once they are convicted, they deem it such an inconvenience, that they will not change. I can not convince or convict--Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And only God knows when that line has been crossed. But yes, we do believe there will come a day when a choice will have to be made.
 
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Those who can't tolerate a wall of text (me!) will bypass most of this!
It is a study on certain words--put them all together.
Destruction: end of existing
Exodus 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
One friendly suggesting for those of us who use worn out mouse scroll wheels.
For very long posts, wrap it in quotes.
See how it looks when I quote your above post?
Then all one has to do to read it is "click to expand". It also shortens the thread.......

Those who can't tolerate a wall of text (me!) will bypass most of this!
It is a study on certain words--put them all together.
Destruction: end of existing
Exodus 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
Numbers 21:3 The LORD heard the voice of Israel and delivered up the Canaanites; then they utterly destroyed them and their cities. Thus the name of the place was called Hormah.
Deuteronomy 2:34 "So we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed the men, women and children of every city. We left no survivor.
Deuteronomy 3:6 "We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city.
Joshua 2:10 "For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.
Joshua 6:21 They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 8:26 For Joshua did not withdraw his hand with which he stretched out the javelin until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
Joshua 10:1 Now it came about when Adoni-zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had captured Ai, and had utterly destroyed it (just as he had done to Jericho and its king, so he had done to Ai and its king), and that the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel and were within their land,
Joshua 10:28 Now Joshua captured Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it He left no survivor Thus he did to the king of Makkedah just as he had done to the king of Jericho.
Joshua 10:35 They captured it on that day and struck it with the edge of the sword; and he utterly destroyed that day every person who was in it, according to all that he had done to Lachish.
Joshua 10:37 They captured it and struck it and its king and all its cities and all the persons who were in it with the edge of the sword. He left no survivor, according to all that he had done to Eglon. And he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it.
Joshua 10:39 He captured it and its king and all its cities, and they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person who was in it. He left no survivor. Just as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir and its king, as he had also done to Libnah and its king.
Joshua 10:40 Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.
Joshua 11:12 Joshua captured all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, and he struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed them; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
Joshua 11:21 Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.
Judges 1:17 Then Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they struck the Canaanites living in Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. So the name of the city was called Hormah.
1 Samuel 15:8 He captured Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
1 Samuel 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1 Samuel 15:15 Saul said, "They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed."
1 Samuel 15:20 Then Saul said to Samuel, "I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
1 Samuel 15:21 "But the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God at Gilgal."
1 Kings 20:42 He said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I had devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people.'"
1 Chronicles 4:41 These, recorded by name, came in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and attacked their tents and the Meunites who were found there, and destroyed them utterly to this day, and lived in their place, because there was pasture there for their flocks.
2 Chronicles 31:1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.
2 Chronicles 32:14 'Who was there among all the gods of those nations which my fathers utterly destroyed who could deliver his people out of my hand, that your God should be able to deliver you from my hand?
Isaiah 34:2 For the LORD'S indignation is against all the nations, And His wrath against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to slaughter.
Isaiah 60:12 "For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will be utterly ruined.
Zechariah 14:11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
Devoured:
Mat_13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mar_4:4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
Luk_8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk_15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Stubble
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa_33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
Isa_47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Joe_2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Oba_1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Nah_1:10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
"Utterly" gets a pretty good work out, too.
:)
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"utterly"
occurs 91 times in 87 verses in the NKJV.
Page 2 / 2 exact matches (Psa 89:33–Rev 18:8) Last time used:

Revelation 18:8
“Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.


OC Jerusalem, Lake of Fire the Same?




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It is not until the Spirit convicts that it then becomes sin. Said that before. The problem lies with those that once they are convicted, they deem it such an inconvenience, that they will not change. I can not convince or convict--Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And only God knows when that line has been crossed. But yes, we do believe there will come a day when a choice will have to be made.
So a Sat Sabbath is more inconvenient than say “thou shalt not kill” or “honor your mother and father”?

Not a good argument with billions of Christians walking the earth.

Every commandment of God is inconvenient. Also, the Holy Spirit does not stop convicting. So under your premise, those who have listened to the Spirit say a longer amount of time, should in effect see the light of a Sat Sabbath so to speak, but that doesn’t happen.

This argument falls flat.
 
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While I appreciate you speaking from your own life, I do feel it’s a little disingenuous to present that SDA doesn’t steal sheep based only on your own experience.

IMHO every Old Covenant based denom tries to steal sheep from grace based denom s using the letter of the Law to show grace is ineffective to pleasing God.

You’ve been doing it in this thread.

It is not based on my own experience---shall we say just plain old common sense also.
What in the world constitutes sheep stealing?? How is that done--swing a lasso and rope you in, drug you at potluck? Really? I have been presenting my take on what I read in the bible, which also happens to be in agreement with what the SDA church believes--If my believes were different, I would look elsewhere. And that is what the majority of those "sheep" are doing--They had been reading the bible on their own, without their pastor, their priest, their leader telling them what the bible says and when they heard our point of view, they found it was the same as they had been reading for themselves. I've lost count of how many people said that. I had a former Catholic friend who at 13 said she no longer believed in Sunday as the Sabbath---her family hit the roof and so did her priest and she shut up, until she was older. Then she got married and he was Catholic, but then she kept going back to the bible and eventually she ran across an SDA church and she kept coming. Her husband was not happy, but he came a few times--we didn't rope her in, she found us. She died from cancer, and I don't know what happened to the husband.
I've never said that grace is inefficient at pleasing God--He gives that away. At the same time---you can't get into the kingdom while being an unrepentant sinner. Nobody has been able to say that. As to what constitutes conviction, that is between God and the individual.
 
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One friendly suggesting for those of us who use worn out mouse scroll wheels.
For very long posts, wrap it in quotes.
See how it looks when I quote your above post?
Then all one has to do to read it is "click to expand". It also shortens the thread.......


:)
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"utterly"
occurs 91 times in 87 verses in the NKJV.
Page 1 / 2 exact matches (Exo 17:14–Psa 73:19)

Didn't think of that--thanks.



Every commandment of God is inconvenient. Also, the Holy Spirit does not stop convicting. So under your premise, those who have listened to the Spirit say a longer amount of time, should in effect see the light of a Sat Sabbath so to speak, but that doesn’t happen.

This argument falls flat.[/QUOTE]
 
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So a Sat Sabbath is more inconvenient than say “thou shalt not kill” or “honor your mother and father”?

Not a good argument with billions of Christians walking the earth.

Every commandment of God is inconvenient. Also, the Holy Spirit does not stop convicting. So under your premise, those who have listened to the Spirit say a longer amount of time, should in effect see the light of a Sat Sabbath so to speak, but that doesn’t happen.

This argument falls flat.

Really? I've found otherwise. It is very inconvenient to uproot your job if you can't get Saturdays, off, your whole schedule is messed up. I've known many who quite their jobs and in fact ended up changing their whole careers. It is very inconvenient! Some change their shopping days even. It is far more inconvenient than thou shall not kill---or honor you mother and father--of course, that depends on how intolerable your parents are! And as one woman said when asked about how she stayed married to one man for 60 years---"Back then, one did not even think of divorce---murder yes--divorce never!"
Well---so far over 20 million have been convicted.
 
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You’ve been doing it in this thread.

Missed that one---so---how am I doing? With only my husband so far, a few more sheep would be nice---nobody has been PMing me in a hypnotic state wanted to join up---bummer.
 
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It is not until the Spirit convicts that it then becomes sin. Said that before. .
What are you saying? Christians commit sin constantly, and after a certain amount of time this has been happening, The Holy Spirit then convicts them they are sinning? Why would the Holy Spirit want people to continue in sin, in ignorance of the fact they are sinning?

Sin is still sin. If I took the Lords name in vain without knowing I am committing sin(not possible if you are truly born again) I would still be committing sin for I would be transgressing the law
Non Christians are still sinners, without the conviction of the Holy Spirit they are committing sin
 
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Didn't think of that--thanks.



Every commandment of God is inconvenient. Also, the Holy Spirit does not stop convicting. So under your premise, those who have listened to the Spirit say a longer amount of time, should in effect see the light of a Sat Sabbath so to speak, but that doesn’t happen.

This argument falls flat.
You cannot hide from law placed in your most inward parts. What is in your mind you in your mind must know, and law in your heart must bring heartfelt conviction of sin when you wilfully transgress it. For:
Sin is the transgression of the law (1John3:4)
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
 
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mmksparbud said:
Those who can't tolerate a wall of text (me!) will bypass most of this!
It is a study on certain words--put them all together.
Destruction: end of existing
Exodus 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
One friendly suggesting for those of us who use worn out mouse scroll wheels.
For very long posts, wrap it in quotes.

Revelation 18:8
“Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.


OC Jerusalem, Lake of Fire the Same?
.
Didn't think of that--thanks.
And thank you.
As far as "utterly destroy" goes, it is the Hebrew word #H2763
[corresponding to the Greek word #G331 for "anathema"]

[Because of the detailed length of this post, I am going to wrap the rest of it in "quotes".
Just "click to expand"]

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
2763 charam khaw-ram' a primitive root;
to seclude; specifically (by a ban) to devote to religious uses (especially destruction); (utterly) destroy, physical and reflexive, to be blunt as to the nose:--make accursed, consecrate, devote, forfeit, have a flat nose, utterly (slay, make away)
2764 cherem khay'-rem or (Zecheriah 14:11) cherem {kheh'-rem}; from 2763;
physical (as shutting in) a net (either literally or figuratively); usually a doomed object; devoted (thing), abstr. extermination:--(ac-)curse(-d, -d thing), dedicated thing, things which should have been utterly destroyed, (appointed to) utter destruction, net.
History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews
The Hebrew word translated "utterly destroy" is 'cherem.'
Both the people and the land of Canaan were 'cherem,' meaning FORCIBLY dedicated to God as withdrawn from His service and worship wherein He was not glorified, and by the hands of another, devoted to Him for destruction whereby He will be glorified.
The equivalent Greek word is "anathema."
In the case of the Canaanites who were natural Serpent's seed, cherem is the consecration to God of His enemies (Hebrew "hated ones" - Isaiah 34:1-8; Malachi 1:2-3; Romans 9:13), and their belongings by means of fire and sword.
Genesis 1:1 (NASB)
Strong's Number H2763 matches the Hebrew חָרַם (charam), which occurs 95 times in 48 verses.


1st time used:

Exodus 22:20

“He who sacrifices to H2763 destroyed. H2763

Last time used:

Micah 4:13
“Arise and thresh, daughter of Zion,
For your horn I will make iron And your hoofs I will make bronze, That you may pulverize many peoples,

That you may devote H2763 to the LORD their unjust gain And their wealth to the Lord of all the earth.

The equivalent Greek word is #G331/334.
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon


331. anathema from 394;
a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person):--accused, anathema, curse, X great.
332. anathema-tizo from 331;
to declare or vow under penalty of execration:--(bind under a) curse, bind with an oath.
334. anathema from 394 (like 331, but in a good sense);
a votive offering:--gift.

Luke uses it in reference to the 70ad Temple

Luke 21:5
And certain-ones saying about the Temple, that to goodly stones
and to devoted-things/anaqhmasin <334> it has been adorned/kekosmhtai <2885> (5769). He said,.........

Note the greek word #G2885 used in Revelation 21:

Revelation 21:2
And I John, perceived the holy city, the New Jerusalem descending from the God out of the Heaven,
having been made ready as a bride having been adorned/kekosmhmenhn <2885> (5772) to the man/husband of Her.

It is used in Acts concerning the corrupt murderous Judean rulers wanting to kill my bro Paul


Acts 23:14
Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say "to-anathema/anaqemati <331> we anathemtize/aneqematisamen <332> (5656) ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killing Paul.


It is used in Revelation:

Revelation 22:3
and every anathema/kat-anaqema> <2652> not shall be still. And the throne of the God and of the Lamb-kin in Her shall be,
and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him
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Really? I've found otherwise. It is very inconvenient to uproot your job if you can't get Saturdays, off, your whole schedule is messed up. I've known many who quite their jobs and in fact ended up changing their whole careers. It is very inconvenient! Some change their shopping days even. It is far more inconvenient than thou shall not kill---or honor you mother and father--of course, that depends on how intolerable your parents are! And as one woman said when asked about how she stayed married to one man for 60 years---"Back then, one did not even think of divorce---murder yes--divorce never!"
Well---so far over 20 million have been convicted.
How is it easier to get off every Sun then it is every Sat?

You don’t think getting off on a weekend is inconvenient for everyone?

Wow. You make such a great case for the great sacrifices of people in SDA.

I almost want to chuckle in how niave it is to say.
 
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1) They view themselves to be the one and only true remnant church.

No, that is Mormans that say that exact quote. SDA believes in keeping the 7th day Sabbath, but there are other denominations that do the same, they are not the "only" denomination to keep the Sabbath. Messianics, 7th day Baptist, etc.

Jesus came to seek and to save the lost.
The SDA has come to seek and to enslave the saved.
And to steal their grace-based salvation by replacing it with a works-based system.

That is what they are doing on this forum. I stand against this.

I stand against Judaizing, just as Paul did. In other words, their condemning of those who keep all days alike. But I do not condemn them for keeping the letter of the old law, as their heart is for God, not against Him.

I do not consider them a cult.
 
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Missed that one---so---how am I doing? With only my husband so far, a few more sheep would be nice---nobody has been PMing me in a hypnotic state wanted to join up---bummer.
I think the best recruitment is getting goats and letting Christ make them sheep anyways.

I hope you have been well.
 
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No, that is Mormans that say that exact quote. SDA believes in keeping the 7th day Sabbath, but there are other denominations that do the same, they are not the "only" denomination to keep the Sabbath. Messianics, 7th day Baptist, etc.
I stand against Judaizing, just as Paul did. In other words, their condemning of those who keep all days alike. But I do not condemn them for keeping the letter of the old law, as their heart is for God, not against Him.

I do not consider them a cult.
So do I.........

Edit to add:
The SDA's do not practice full blown OC Judaism.......
However, if I am not mistaken, Messianic Jewish Christians do.
Here is their board for those interested.

Messianic Judaism
Messianic Jews and Gentiles

And a thread on "Judaizing"

What exactly is a "judaizer" today
What exactly is a "judaizer" today

A CF member brings up "judaizers" a lot on other threads, so I thought it would help if I made a thread on it.

Can anyone explain to me what a "judaizer" is and are there any of those today within Christianity or elsewhere? Thanks

Here is how wiki defines them:


Judaizers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Judaizers refers to those who claim the necessity of obedience to the Torah Laws by Christians, which is normally considered a requisite only for the followers of Judaism. Similarly, "one who has Judaized" refers to a Christian who has accepted the necessity of adhering to the Torah Laws, see also Biblical law in Christianity.

The ongoing debate over Judaizing in Christianity, which began in the lifetime of the apostles, reflects the contemporaneous debate within Judaism as to the place of Gentiles with regard to the Law of Moses,

see also Proselyte, Noahide Law, Jewish background to the early Christian circumcision controversy, and Dual-covenant theology.

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No, that is Mormans that say that exact quote. SDA believes in keeping the 7th day Sabbath, but there are other denominations that do the same, they are not the "only" denomination to keep the Sabbath. Messianics, 7th day Baptist, etc.

Actually if you attend one of their baptisms (or are baptized by them) you will see them get asked a set of questions based on a summary of their beliefs, and the last one that you must agree to is, "I believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, into which people of every nation, race, class, and language are invited and accepted, and I desire membership in its fellowship."

They will also reveal later in their prophecy/evangelizing seminars that they are the remnant church described in Revelation. It's one of the big things they build towards in the preceding sessions.

That doesn't mean that Messianics, 7th day Baptists, etc. wouldn't be included because people from all denominations are to be called out of them to the SDA church once they have to make the final choice between Sunday (mark of the beast) and Saturday (seal of God) worship when the "Sunday law" takes effect.
 
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